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Totoro
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posted December 29, 2008 01:02 PM |
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Anyone can go and try to live by themselves in the mountains.
Yes, when he has first been brought up and that doesn't happen on its own and that makes him dependent on society.
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Moonlith
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posted December 29, 2008 05:35 PM |
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Edited by Moonlith at 17:48, 29 Dec 2008.
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Any of you have ever read any book about economic for real? This discussion is not argument-based but pathetic malicious from some leftism guys. Just like when mvassilev told in context of human-produced things that nothing can be free and someone answered "air". For what is it? This is not answer nor contr-argument, just ad personam and ad auditorium malicious. This discussion leads to nothing - leftside guys know what they want, rightsidee guys are right and they won't go to the dark left side. Noone is to convince anybody here 
For someone so biased about lefties and rigthies I don't really see how you have any right judging arguments here?
You have pasted a negative label on me, and by that, everything I say is automaticly flawed to you.
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If I would store saved money somewhere else - I would have a lot. Imagine that instead of paying all of these horrible taxes you are paying it to your bank account.
Bullsnow. Do you have any idea whatsoever what a heartsurgery would cost?
That aside, suppose you started saving since a month or two and already you would need said care. You wouldn't have the money.
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I don't agree.
Who is responsible for my children - me, you or whole country? World is not decent, there are better and worst people and any socialist couldn't hide it. As rich as I am as better live would my child have.
Responsibility is very different from basic human rights. I like to believe every single human being at least has the RIGHT to receive proper and equal education regardless of his or her background.
Your ideas indeed imply you believe there are better and worse people. And you being alive in essence is actually proof you are right there; you are a nice example of a disgusting human being.
But economic and social background have nothing to do with wether or not someone is more valuable or better. It's about the kind of person someone grows into.
Plus, money and materialism doesn't buy happiness, only comfort.
But granted, I used to have retarded ideas myself when I was your age.
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mvassilev
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posted December 29, 2008 05:50 PM |
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Angelito:
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Let's see what happens when you will lose your job because your boss is an A** and only wants women working for his company.
Already a flawed example. Wouldn't happen. The free market punishes those who discriminate without reason.
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Just look how the current financial crises started and why it happened...
What do excessively low interest rates have to do with what we're talking about? 
JJ:
Though I am not an advocate of extreme laissez-faire, the answer is quite obvious: the old people should've been saving for their retirement.
Totoro:
Anyone can try to do that. Dependence on society has nothing to do with it.
Moonlith:
"Retarded ideas when I was your age"? When I was 13 or 14, I was the most ardent socialist you could find. But then I learned how stuff actually works and I became a capitalist. Maybe it'll happen to you someday. 
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Zielevitz
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posted December 29, 2008 06:49 PM |
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Bull****. Do you have any idea whatsoever what a heartsurgery would cost?
That aside, suppose you started saving since a month or two and already you would need said care. You wouldn't have the money.
So what is your problem about this? I want to live in that way, you want to pay for social medical care. You are able to live your way and you want forbid me to live my way? 
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If I can't provide my baby what is needed I shouldn't make a baby Anyway, if someone have baby and he don't have food to eat etc. it is not my fault or problem, isn't it? I can help but I shouldn't have to.
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Moonlith
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posted December 29, 2008 06:53 PM |
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Edited by Moonlith at 18:53, 29 Dec 2008.
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Why are youngsters always so stupidly "OMG FULL INDIVIDUALISMZ FTWINZZ!!!"
By all means step outside and see how long you last growing your own food, building your own houses, providing yourself with your own water, all on your own. Let's see how long you last.
@ Mvass: When I was 15-18 I was a fullhearted individualist.
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mvassilev
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posted December 29, 2008 06:56 PM |
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Individualism =/= self-sufficiency. There's a difference between self-sufficiency and self-reliance. Self-reliance is always good, self-sufficiency is only good when there are no other people around. You don't have to grow your own food - you just have to make sure you can get food.
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JollyJoker
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posted December 29, 2008 08:22 PM |
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Doomforge:
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don't you think that tax for pensions is pointless? Why do we need government to manage our pensions?
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the answer is quite obvious: the old people should've been saving for their retirement.
While I answered this already, in the case of Mvass I think that it shows he has not nearly all of the info he'd need.
Paying taxes for pension is THE SAME as saving for the pension. The reason for this is inflation. Let's say, at this point someone pays 500 € per month taxesfor pensions. This is paid DIRECTLY to those who now get pension. It's value for value since the 500 € paid have the same value for both tax payer and pension receiver. Saving the pension will result in having money in old age, but there are a couple of catches:
1) Inflation may be too high, resulting in value loss of your savings (Inflation may be higher than interest rate).
2) Savings may be devaluated; normal banks may get bankrupt, resulting in money loss. Global or even national events may extremely hurt savings, and so on.
3) People are not inclined to save for their old age deliberately when they are young (they tend to have not that much money and have to come up with lots of money to build their existence). This my simply result in saving too little too late.
INstead 30 or o years later, when people will pay 1500 € or 2000 € for pension (with wages and prices 3 or 4 times as high) they will get THAT.
It's a generation contract and makes a lot of sense.
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If I can't provide my baby what is needed I shouldn't make a baby Anyway, if someone have baby and he don't have food to eat etc. it is not my fault or problem, isn't it? I can help but I shouldn't have to.
That's what you have to say to the problem?
Why making a baby AT ALL? It just costs money? But then, the society will die. You didn't even scratch that problem.
That seems to underline my impression that you don't have to say anything meaningful.
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angelito
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posted December 29, 2008 09:11 PM |
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Just look how the current financial crises started and why it happened...
What do excessively low interest rates have to do with what we're talking about?
I thought you are quite good in economics....You have a clue how the financial crisis this year started and what the reason was? If so, please feel free to elaborate.
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