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veco
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posted January 01, 2009 02:24 PM |
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Edited by veco at 14:24, 01 Jan 2009.
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This will be a little offtopic but how much RAM do other OSs detect?
Win XP 3,5GB (I have 500MB unused)
how about Linux?
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Vidoja
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posted January 01, 2009 02:37 PM |
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A poem by me:
MAC is good,
Linux rocks,
WoW is for geeks,
But Microsoft sure s*****!
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del_diablo
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posted January 01, 2009 06:02 PM |
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This will be a little offtopic but how much RAM do other OSs detect?
Win XP 3,5GB (I have 500MB unused)
how about Linux?
You are using Win XP 32-bit. Its limited to the 3.x amount of ram it can use. imply because its 32-bit. Its also called x86 is it also? Meh <.<
Most linux distroes got both a 32bit and 64bit version, already got a 64bit Debian on this computer also. Linux also got a lead on 64bit itself.
How much memory are 64bit allowed to use again? Its alot.
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I'm about to get a new PC, but I'd be damned if I'm getting vista or higher on it. XP works just fine still.
If you got 2 XP licenses lieing around, use one of them. Or if it will replace your XP, use it. So long it was more than 3 months since it was used in a activation last time, no problem(atleast thats my dads experience).
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Asheera
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posted January 01, 2009 06:10 PM |
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32 bit can access only 4 GB because with 32 bits the max number you can achieve is exactly 4 GB.
With 64 bit, you can access up to 16777216 Terabytes (you could consider it infinity  ), if my calculations are correct.
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TheDeath
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posted January 01, 2009 06:10 PM |
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Edited by TheDeath at 18:13, 01 Jan 2009.
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You are using Win XP 32-bit. Its limited to the 3.x amount of ram it can use. imply because its 32-bit. Its also called x86 is it also? Meh <.<
x86 is the whole family, yes they did rename it to x86-64 or x64 but technically it's still x86 even in 64-bits
Anyway, I think Windows XP 32-bit is just plain dumb designed to only read 3.5 GB. It CAN go higher even with 32-bit, because each application is supposed to have its own address space. So each application is supposed to have a limit of 4GB, not too few if you ask me.
The whole problem with Linux AND Windows XP-64-bit edition is, obviously, compatibility. There are only so many programs for normal Windows XP editions (and DRIVERS are a huge problem in XP 64-bit edition I remember), and Linux as well.
Just HOW effective is Wine under Linux? Can it run 3DS Max? Zbrush? Can it run Photoshop? VSTs? FL Studio? some games? (willilam? can you answer this pls?)?
Also, how the hell do the INSTALLERS work in wine? Are they not too... windows specific? So how do you even install Photoshop in Linux (using wine of course) because I've seen people saying it works great, but I'm a skeptic.
Also, does Linux 64-bit work with 32-bit apps?
@Ash: yeah but 'obviously' (for marketing purposes maybe), 64-bit has some stupid stuff added at the addressing and the maximum is like 1 TB 
(just to give them a freaking reason to put 128-bit and make me complain about compatibility again argh  )
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Nikita
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posted January 01, 2009 07:10 PM |
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Edited by Nikita at 19:13, 01 Jan 2009.
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@Ash isnt infinity a bit tooo much for 64-bit?
64-bit 32-bit
RAM 16 TB 4 gb
Virtual memory 512 TB 16 tb
Hyperspace 8 gb 4 mb
unloading pool 128 gb 470 mb
ununloading pool 128 gb 256 mb
system cache 1 TB 1 gb
PTE system 128 gb 660 mb
and as the death said 64-bit has a lot of compatibilities and other issues especially for games.
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TheDeath
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posted January 01, 2009 07:19 PM |
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Technically, if they made it RIGHT, it would go like this:
2^32 = 4294967296 = 4*1024*1024*1024 = 4 GB
2^64 = 18446744073709551616 = 16777216 * 1024*1024*1024*1024 = 16777216 TB (Terabytes)
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posted January 01, 2009 07:36 PM |
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In case you still don't get it people, that number is over sixteen million Terabytes
Pretty close to 'infinite', at least with today's memory size, don't you think?
But that's technically if they made it right, Death said that we'll be limited to 1 TB. 
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Nikita
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posted January 01, 2009 07:39 PM |
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If u look at my previous post u can see that it says 16 tb instead of 1 tb,im not sure havent tested it,but i have gotten that table from microsoft website.
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TheDeath
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posted January 01, 2009 07:41 PM |
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Yeah maybe 16 TB, I forgot (there's also an "extended" mode, why the hell do they complicate stuff like that lol?)
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posted January 01, 2009 07:59 PM |
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Btw.. is Vista really that bad? What do you think about it?
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veco
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posted January 01, 2009 08:07 PM |
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I had a brief experience with Vista one year ago. Never again, Vista sucks.
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Doomforge
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posted January 01, 2009 08:15 PM |
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haha that vid is hilarious  But hey, those are just, well, inconveniences.
I meant real bugs and ultra-frustrating stuff.
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veco
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posted January 01, 2009 08:21 PM |
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The ultra frustrating stuff is:
Giving endless permissions to almost every possible process running.
out of 12 games and programs I tried running on it, 4 worked.
If you want that fancy aero on your screen, bring some snacks to do something while loading. It lagged while playing solitaire.
If this is not frustrating enough then I don't know what is. I could write more but after a year these are the ones that I still remember like it was yesterday
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posted January 01, 2009 08:27 PM |
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If this is true then I guess I will have to stick with Windows Vista and XP my whole life
As if there werent enough monthly fees in the world 
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TheDeath
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posted January 01, 2009 08:35 PM |
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As if there werent enough monthly fees in the world
Blame Blizzard. They "started" this, proving it's "successful" business-wise
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Nikita
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posted January 01, 2009 08:36 PM |
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hehe,i had Vista on my laptop and it ran great,some old games didnt
work(but most did,esp new ones)Aero was great,Played all games on high,until 1 day it all changed,my video card started to overheat
(still dont know what happaned).
Overall it isnt bad,but it ate my RAM and video card like i do after not eating for a whole week,i had premium and at startup it ate 1 gb without me even opening anything ,ran like 80 processes which half i didnt even need and so on...
So if u have XP stick to it unless u want to look at ur wallpaper on Vista and wish for ur old XP.BTw solite(on high setting) does require probably more then Heroes5 sys requirements.
And for the 64-bit system,tecnically it is 16 exabytes(16.7 million TB) but try finding a motherboard that will support at least 1 TB
And what could u do with so much ram????control human minds?
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TheDeath
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posted January 01, 2009 08:40 PM |
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Edited by TheDeath at 20:41, 01 Jan 2009.
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Aero was great
Aero sucks. I want a clean interface with systematic stuff for EASY ACCESS, not for VEGAS DISPLAY SHOW
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And for the 64-bit system,tecnically it is 16 exabytes(16.7 million TB) but try finding a motherboard that will support at least 1 TB
And what could u do with so much ram????control human minds?
Doesn't matter, the thing is, TO NOT NEED another "pointer extenstion" (since 32-bit pointers with FLAT addressing space can ONLY access 4 GB, but that is MEMORY MAPPED per PROCESS (application) so technically 32-bit SHOULD have 4 GB PER PROCESS, which actually means almost infinite limit... as long as each app only uses max 4 GB).
What I'm saying is that I absolutely hate compatibility shifts, like moving from 32-bit addressing to 64-bit, and I hope we will never need 128-bit addressing, just because they don't have half a brain to figure out how to do it currently (even more than 16 exabytes).
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posted January 01, 2009 08:52 PM |
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Just HOW effective is Wine under Linux? Can it run 3DS Max? Zbrush? Can it run Photoshop? VSTs? FL Studio? some games? (willilam? can you answer this pls?)?
I'm not sure that it can run 3DS Max. Dunno about Zbrush. Yes it can run Photoshop. I did manage to run FL Studio BUT no sound came from it at all, which isn't really surprising since it is only able to work on Windows.
Wine is quite effective under Linux. It's kind of a self installer which is great since the normal way of installing things in Linux gets kinda tiresome after a while.
Oh and btw, my name is not Willilam.
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TheDeath
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posted January 01, 2009 08:54 PM |
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What do you mean, installing in Linux is tiresome? Is it more than in Windows? Can't you just copy the files? (no crap registry etc?)
Also, Wine is supposed to emulate the Windows API though it's pretty uncool it doesn't work as well Thanks anyway.
oh and sorry for the typo.
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