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JollyJoker
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posted January 18, 2009 04:49 PM |
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I don't necessarily agree with this quote, but I think many of you are taking it too literally. For example, "enemies" does not necessarily mean "other people". It could mean time, or poverty, or disease, or something like that. And combat doesn't necessarily mean combat against other people.
In that case it's pathetic bombast.
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TheDeath
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posted January 18, 2009 05:08 PM |
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@Ash: destruction, in a metaphorical way, means "harm your enemy" (or being able to) 
now it's you who takes it literally
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posted January 18, 2009 05:32 PM |
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And what's wrong with harming your enemy 
If it's really your enemy don't you think you should cause harm? I mean, if you don't like this, try not to have enemies, although that's more of a dream than reality, as I said.
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posted January 18, 2009 05:40 PM |
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Wait, what?
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"Top" doesn't mean destruction.
this is what I said.
Where is anything about "wrong"?
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posted January 18, 2009 06:08 PM |
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And what's wrong with harming your enemy :?
Friend or foe, it all comes down to a circumstance.
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posted January 18, 2009 07:20 PM |
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JJ:
Pathetic bombast? How so? If anything, if taken metaphorically, it makes a great deal of sense. Say a guy has terminal cancer. It would make sense for him to try and live life to the fullest, and not just lie there. And if he somehow got rid of his cancer, he should still try to get as much done as possible, because it might recur.
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One doesn't necessarily need to be on top to have deterrence. One merely needs to be able to damage a potential enemy enough to make sure that they would lose more than they'd gain from conflict with you. For example, though humans are undoubtedly stronger with bees, it is inadvisable to swat a bee with your bare hands.
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TheDeath
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posted January 18, 2009 07:37 PM |
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Now answering Ash's question
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And what's wrong with harming your enemy
The fact that he (the enemy) may think alike and... I dunno... resulting in the law of the jungle? 
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posted January 18, 2009 08:12 PM |
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JJ:
Pathetic bombast? How so? If anything, if taken metaphorically, it makes a great deal of sense. Say a guy has terminal cancer. It would make sense for him to try and live life to the fullest, and not just lie there. And if he somehow got rid of his cancer, he should still try to get as much done as possible, because it might recur.
It's completely empty an hollow. Do you really think you know what makes sense for a guy who has terminal cancer? Apart from the fact that even if you or someone else knew, making sense is possibly not what's on their mind first and foremost.
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posted January 18, 2009 08:23 PM |
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But what's on their mind? How to grieve? Possibly for some, but that's not a good thing, you know. It is definitely not better to just lie there and mourn instead of living what rest of life you have.
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posted January 18, 2009 09:00 PM |
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But what's on their mind? How to grieve? Possibly for some, but that's not a good thing, you know. It is definitely not better to just lie there and mourn instead of living what rest of life you have.
How would you know what's better for someone else, especially when in a different situation?
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Asheera
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posted January 18, 2009 09:08 PM |
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Well, rationally it is better (what I said)
But if you take it this way, you don't know either. And then you don't know what's on their minds first as well. So I guess there's no more need for a discussion since it's pointless.
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JollyJoker
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posted January 18, 2009 10:08 PM |
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It's pointless to try and decide "rationally" what would be "better" for a terminally ill person, anyway.
It MIGHT just not be a decision made "rationally" either, it might not even be a conscious DECISION.
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posted January 18, 2009 10:23 PM |
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"Relaxation is not for the winners. If they relax and let their guard down, then they will not remain winners for long. Life is a perpetual struggle. One can never rest, for as soon as a man closes his eyes, his enemies swoop down upon him and destroy him. Even when a man is victorious can he not rest. Even at the battlefield where the skulls of his enemies are cracked and drying, there is always somebody else - a new challenger. Yet to give up would be cowardice and weakness. The noble man never gives up, despite adversity. The noble man does not simply lie down and let the vultures take him. No. He has more self-respect than that, for the noble soul has reverence for itself. The fires of combat are the noble man's rest, just as they are his main exertions of energy. Struggle is his vocation and avocation. The eternal flame of the soul can only burn out in death or surrender, but the fires of the battle only make it burn brighter."
Discuss.
Quite simple:
Always have a goal or a purpose, stop if you can but never give up the idea of the fact there is someting beyond the next horizont. Struggle if you can, but do not give up. Fight if you can, but negiotiate peace if you can.
When you first have given up or stoped up, atleast don't keep it for to long.
PS: Rest is a part of struggle, without rest you cannot struggle.
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posted January 19, 2009 04:58 PM |
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..that first phraze is indeed pathetic nazi crap, that is already proven to be wrong by the results of nazi pathetics already.
If you follow those instructions it will lead you to the wrong side.... thats the wrong path.
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posted January 19, 2009 10:36 PM |
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Nietzschean =/= Nazi. The Nazis were major collectivists. Nietzsche wasn't.
Anyway, I actually agree with that quote, except with the part about relaxation. To be strong, you have to relax, or you'll just get tired and will definitely stop being strong.
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posted January 20, 2009 05:45 AM |
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Life huh.
Who really knows about what life is about anyways?
Everyone has their own perspective about life.
Live your life the best you can & create your own definition on life.
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posted January 20, 2009 07:06 PM |
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You have to extinguish the candle.Too early and you stay in dark,too late and you burn your house.
The issue is to know when you have to step down I guess by my humble opinion.
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JollyJoker
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posted January 20, 2009 07:18 PM |
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See, Mv, thats a nice metaphor. Simple, precise, unobtrusive. No bombast at all. PLUS, it actually makes sense.
Thanks, Seraphim.
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mvassilev
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posted January 20, 2009 10:36 PM |
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JollyJoker
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posted January 20, 2009 10:55 PM |
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Your decisions in life. It means, the TIMING must be rght for everything. There is a time for fighting and a time fo relaxing and the art os life is to know WHEN.
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