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Heroes Community > Heroes 5 - Modders Workshop > Thread: [Mod TotE] Spellpower dependent light and dark magic spells
Thread: [Mod TotE] Spellpower dependent light and dark magic spells
Fauch
Fauch


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Undefeatable Hero
posted February 21, 2009 06:14 PM

[Mod TotE] Spellpower dependent light and dark magic spells

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list of change :

sorrow :
1 + 0.05 x sp
1 + 0.1 x sp
2 + 0.1 x sp
3 + 0.15 x sp

disrupting ray :
1 + 0.1 x sp
1 + 0.15 x sp
2 + 0.15 x sp
3 + 0.2 x sp

forgetfulness :
0.1 + 0.0075 x sp
0.2 + 0.015 x sp
0.3 + 0.0225 x sp
0.4 + 0.03 x sp

slow :
0.05 + 0.0025 x sp
0.1 + 0.005 x sp
0.15 + 0.0075 x sp
0.2 + 0.01 x sp

weakness :
1 + 0.2 x sp
3 + 0.25 x sp
5 + 0.3 x sp
7 + 0.35 x sp

bloodlust :
1 + 0.2 x sp
3 + 0.25 x sp
5 + 0.3 x sp
7 + 0.35 x sp

stoneskin :
1 + 0.2 x sp
3 + 0.25 x sp
5 + 0.3 x sp
7 + 0.35 x sp

haste :
0.05 + 0.0025 x sp
0.1 + 0.005 x sp
0.15 + 0.0075 x sp
0.2 + 0.01 x sp

deflect arrows :
0.1 + 0.0075 x sp
0.2 + 0.015 x sp
0.3 + 0.0225 x sp
0.4 + 0.03 x sp

dispel :
0.35 + 0.005 x sp
0.45 + 0.01 x sp
0.55 + 0.015 x sp
0.65 + 0.02 x sp

I hope it's not too imbalanced. I tried to make the spells not too overpowered for magic orientated factions, and not too ridiculous for might orientated ones.

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Ednaguy
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posted February 21, 2009 06:29 PM

lol
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Asheera
Asheera


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posted February 21, 2009 09:27 PM
Edited by Asheera at 21:28, 21 Feb 2009.

Why did you nerf Confusion so much? In my opinion the spells should have almost the same effect as now with 10 Spellpower, but in your case you need 20.

Otherwise I pretty much agree with this system. Heck, even I made one such proposal in the Altar once, and then Edna did as well, and now you. So either we think alike or Nival's system plain sucks and many people would like it changed (my bet is on the latter)
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SimonaK
SimonaK


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posted February 21, 2009 11:54 PM
Edited by SimonaK at 23:58, 21 Feb 2009.

I think I made the best mod of all about spells.

I destroyed spells level 4 and 5, and only 3 levels of spell are now possible.

All spells of level 4 and 5 became level 3 and some level 3 became 2 or 1 and some level 2 became level 1.

So any heroes can learn all spells without none of magic schools which
they are just necessary to improve power and duration of spells

No need of a particular Hero level to learn Adventure Spells, just building the required guild.

Spells of last level (level 3) can learn if the Hero has the particular magic school.
Moreover, a Hero can learn all last level spells if he has Wisdom/Sorcery

All spell properties like power and duration are been boosted,
not linear way but exponential way, example:

mastery none         = 1.3x
mastery basic        = 1.4x
mastery advanced     = 1.5x
mastery expert       = 1.6x
mastery extra expert = 1.7x

So, you can build heroes without magic schools, just with Wisdom and be able to cast all existing spells
and then to remain to concentrate on others skills.

You can want to get a big power stat to increase spells strenght or finally to get a magic school to become a real magic master.

When a Hero casts a spell, you understand he really participates to the fight.



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Fauch
Fauch


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posted February 22, 2009 12:04 AM
Edited by Fauch at 00:07, 22 Feb 2009.

ednaguy : looks like I missed your thread.
oh ok, it's not a thread.
btw, the reason I didn't change bless and curse is because the more spellpower you have, the less powerful is curse. it's the contrary for bless.
asheera : wasn't confusion a bit powerful for a level 3 spell? especially mass confusion?
SimonaK : did you really managed to mod that?

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SimonaK
SimonaK


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Supreme Hero
posted February 22, 2009 12:10 AM
Edited by SimonaK at 00:18, 22 Feb 2009.

Quote:

SimonaK : did you really managed to mod that?



yes. and I'm happier like that

I found too stupid the fact that if you dont have the concerned magic school you cannot learn a spell even if it is high.

For my share, School in the life or in the game exist to improve knowledges and it is not a obligation.

My philosophy is, don't go to school if you want and accept that your implosion is weaker than these one
of a expert hero in this matter.

Wisdom allows to learn all spells but their power is weaker than if you learn the magic school.

So, you can just be a expert master in light magic and be alble casting high level destruction even if weaker.

more fun again!



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Fauch
Fauch


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Undefeatable Hero
posted February 22, 2009 12:16 AM

how did you make the power of spells grow exponentially?

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SimonaK
SimonaK


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Supreme Hero
posted February 22, 2009 12:19 AM
Edited by SimonaK at 00:26, 22 Feb 2009.

Quote:
how did you make the power of spells grow exponentially?


By programmation. (That re-writes all spell .xdb file with new values)

I have a NCF database...but I have too Spells, Artifacts, Objects, etc etc Database

the exponential method is calculated about the mastery level and not on the Heroes stat power....

More you increase your power stat more the power spell increases too
but if you level up the mastery of your spell, you reach a new factor number in the calculation.


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Fauch
Fauch


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Undefeatable Hero
posted February 22, 2009 12:28 AM

oh ok, I thought it was exponential with the spellpower.

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SimonaK
SimonaK


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posted February 22, 2009 12:35 AM
Edited by SimonaK at 00:40, 22 Feb 2009.

I began to think you thought it


No, I think to do it needs to hack .exe a serious hacking, moreover.

At least to be able to change values of spell properties is a consolation not matter the way.

My mod takes care of mastery extra expert level as well...caused by NCF...

a reason I'm not interested by spell modification into NCF mod.



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Nebdar
Nebdar


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Generation N
posted February 22, 2009 12:48 AM
Edited by Nebdar at 00:48, 22 Feb 2009.

Nice mod
Of course it needs some battletesting but i love genaraly the idea of bigger dependency on spellpower than just mastery.

Thank you very much Fauch

@SimonaK is your mode downloadable some where
Because your soultion is very innovative and logical. And thinking of it that you can have all spells in a spellbook is temptating
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SimonaK
SimonaK


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posted February 22, 2009 12:56 AM

Quote:

@SimonaK is your mode downloadable some where



Give me at least one hour.



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Nebdar
Nebdar


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Generation N
posted February 22, 2009 01:02 AM
Edited by Nebdar at 01:03, 22 Feb 2009.

you had introdouced an new skill Wisdom or you just can learn any kind of spell without any skill

or Wisdom = Enlightment

Quote:
Give me at least one hour.


Ok. Nice
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SimonaK
SimonaK


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posted February 22, 2009 01:05 AM
Edited by SimonaK at 01:06, 22 Feb 2009.


No, the joke is that Wisdom perk allows to learn 3rd level spells so, by transforming all spells of 4th and 5th level to 3rd then Wisdom will allow to learn this spells as well because now they are of 3rd level.

Wisdom is a sorcery skill's perk, you know.


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Lexxan
Lexxan


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Unimpressed by your logic
posted February 22, 2009 01:10 AM

Quote:

Wisdom is a sorcery skill's perk, you know.




It's Called "Magic Insight" in the English Version
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SimonaK
SimonaK


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Supreme Hero
posted February 22, 2009 01:14 AM

Quote:
Quote:

Wisdom is a sorcery skill's perk, you know.




It's Called "Magic Insight" in the English Version



Ohhh!

Thanks, I will use it now


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Nebdar
Nebdar


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Generation N
posted February 22, 2009 01:37 AM

Thanks Lexxan for making it clear. The Differences between DataPak names and in game labels/names are sometimes confussing

Hey Will you SimonaK post your mod in different thread so we won't mess with opinions about Fauchs mod and Yours in one thread
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Fauch
Fauch


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Undefeatable Hero
posted February 22, 2009 03:51 AM

btw, be careful if you have my ice dragon, he uses a modded bloodlust spell. you can merge the 2 mods if you want, since the dragon only uses the mastery extra expert.

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SimonaK
SimonaK


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Supreme Hero
posted February 22, 2009 04:58 AM

Quote:
btw, be careful if you have my ice dragon, he uses a modded bloodlust spell. you can merge the 2 mods if you want, since the dragon only uses the mastery extra expert.


Thanks for it.

But anyway, when I take a new NCF, I remove always spells folder inside.

I can still benefit of mastery extra expert from your NCFs with my own spells mod. (I have the ice dragon like all other yours, moreover)

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