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Thread: Should we keep the +QP/-QP system? [ This thread is 27 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 (18) 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 ]
blizzardboy
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posted April 01, 2009 10:29 AM
Edited by blizzardboy at 10:41, 01 Apr 2009.

Guys, I've seen this before. With most internet forums, the rules are subjected based on the lewdest members. Can anybody think of a single dispute about QP's (other than  the wave of them now) that occurred outside of the Tavern or the Wastelands? I mean I'm sure it happened on very rare occasions, but I don't know of a single one. All of the ******** is a result of a few trolls (some disguised behind lots of stars) in the Wastelands/Tavern. If QP's were really complicated and burdensome, it wouldn't have took years for the mods to get rid of them, so any argument that they're inherently a bad idea is pretty insubstantial. It's because we've hit a bump of trolls in the Wastelands/Tavern and it's driven the mods crazy so there's no way they're ever coming back anytime soon. In a bodybuilding forum I go to, you automatically get banned for talking about race, even if you're not being racist, because a bump of trolls went on long racist tangents, and the mods just went crazy. Internet mods aren't paid so it's expected that that's how things function. Tis the double-edged swords of the internets and unless you accept Al Gore as your Lord and Savior, you will never be set free from the trolls that rule over these tubes and drive the authorities insane.  
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Ednaguy
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posted April 01, 2009 11:03 AM

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Edna your being naive. Excuse me for saying so. There's a lot more to QPs than the attributes you give them. Check my post one page before this... it might give you an idea. Or it might not. Who cares...

I read this thread quite quiclky, and a lot is happening in it, so I might have missed/forgotten your post while I wrote that. What I meant was that I just don't think it's a good idea to say that a person i 'responsible' or not, just because they've had some funny/inspiring posts. I see nothing wrong in giving someone a kind of bonus whenever they've made a good post, I just don't see the reason having the number of these posts showed under the avatar as the only thing personificationing a member (from others point of view).
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Maybe you don't really realize it

No, I don't. Could you please explain?
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Skeleton_King
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posted April 01, 2009 11:42 AM

I think this is only a 1st April joke. I hope.
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DarkCrystal
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posted April 01, 2009 12:34 PM

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I think this is only a 1st April joke. I hope.
I don't think so. They seems serious at the moment.

It seems that huge masses of people were dissapointed by this change. Even some members left. So the reasonable question is: was that so needed? Would it really make HC better?

As for me, I haven't seen new system much, so I can't say defenetely. But so far QPs system was better...
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Salamandre
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posted April 01, 2009 12:38 PM

I hope not. For once the mods showed they are united and strong, and that it is still they who make the rules. People who played with fire in the Asheera/Pandora thread should understand it faster. You told them they are wrong, they removed the problem entirely.

You will not find elsewhere a forum where you can attack directly the moderators decisions.

Me personally I can't see where is the problem with having red stars or not, as longer as you have constructive ideas and you need to share them. There is always someone who will appreciate. And, please, this is internet, there is nothing real here.

A useless hobby took gigantic drama proportions. And often started by people who joined this forum not long time ago. That's why their quit will even not be noticed.
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DarkCrystal
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posted April 01, 2009 12:48 PM

You are right, mods should be strong and strict. But HC is for people, not only for mods, don't you think? And when people are leaving it doesn't seem okay...

We already lost some good members: Lex, Father, almost lost Evasion. This list can continue...
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Evasion
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posted April 01, 2009 12:51 PM

You lost me, but I came back the day after.
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Xerox
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posted April 01, 2009 12:51 PM

I think it was the Asheera/Pandora thing that began this...
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Salamandre
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posted April 01, 2009 01:09 PM
Edited by Salamandre at 13:11, 01 Apr 2009.

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We already lost some good members: Lex, Father, almost lost Evasion. This list can continue...


And thousand others will remain and continue the work without conditions. Don't tell me this is a mass revolt. It's only about a few users.
I am sorry for those who quit, but from their profile we can see that they are recently added members.

When people as Vlaad, Pacifist or Maretti decide to leave because of an injustice, I might look at this in another way. Until then, the forum will live as it did for almost ten years.
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DarkCrystal
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posted April 01, 2009 01:11 PM
Edited by DarkCrystal at 13:14, 01 Apr 2009.

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I think it was the Asheera/Pandora thing that began this...
Don't blame them. We ALL are guilty.

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And thousand others will remain and continue the work without conditions.
Well, they may and will do that. I myself don't see anything very bad in th new system, but when the people like Vlaad and Lex are leaving, it makes a question in mind: is this new system really so good?
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JollyJoker
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posted April 01, 2009 01:12 PM
Edited by JollyJoker at 13:15, 01 Apr 2009.

Is reall anyone here thinking a site like this could be swayed to radically change its appearance, rules and attitudes because of ONE disagreement between 2 persons?

If you read a bit, I think it had been made obvious that the mods are just sick of being flooded with mails, even insults, concerning QPs, why they don't get any, why others get one and so on.

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Don't blame them. We ALL are guilty.

What the HELL are you talking about? Guilty of WHAT?

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Dj
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posted April 01, 2009 01:14 PM

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Don't blame them. We ALL are guilty.

excuse me...how Sally is guilty? or Darkloke? or Zamfir? eh?
please...speak in your name...not for all of us.

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angelito
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posted April 01, 2009 01:14 PM

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We already lost some good members: Lex, Father, almost lost Evasion. This list can continue...
If a member leaves this community only because he won't get a reward for a good posting anymore, then you know why he JOINED. And then you also know how valid all other members are for him.....zero.....
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Dj
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posted April 01, 2009 01:17 PM

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If a member leaves this community only because he won't get a reward for a good posting anymore, then you know why he JOINED. And then you also know how valid all other members are for him.....zero.....


[ironic]yeah...he just registered here only and only for QPs....right o,o [/ironic]

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DarkCrystal
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posted April 01, 2009 01:18 PM

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excuse me...how Sally is guilty? or Darkloke? or Zamfir? eh?
please...speak in your name...not for all of us.
Well, maybe I overrated it. I meant that all people, who whenever made such discussions and arguings about QPs.

You may not understand me at all. I suggest to end this discussion for our own good.
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Salamandre
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posted April 01, 2009 01:58 PM

Indeed, it was very instructive. I will quote Vlaad's post. Thanks for pointing that link, although it may come up with a different issue that the one you wanted.


As you can see from the quote above, I didn't think that was a bad thing. However, I didn't realize something then. There are special people all around us in the real world too, but what makes us special is our love for this game. We're all accomplices, we're all partners in crime here. Once members stop playing the game, for one reason or the other, they break the spell... they are not really part of HC anymore. I'm not judging anyone, mind you, and I will not deal with some people's motives for staying here years after they'd finished their last Heroes game. But I do believe such members slowly become outsiders, then lurkers... and eventually leave HC for good (or apply for mods ).

When the hype surrounding the expansion pack is over, we'll get to see who stays. THEN we'll know what kind of community really exists. It's natural the number of QPs rises when a new game comes out, but what will happen when most of the tutorials have been written and Doomforge logs off...?

Which brings us back on topic...

Alci is right about the HC membership being a revolving door, as Binabik put it once. I've been here for five years and each generation of HC has been good so far. True, there were generation gaps (e.g. read  these great posts, or this thread... or this page). See? Geny didn't invent spam. Seriously though, if you read all that stuff, you'll see the point: each generation has been good, but each has been DIFFERENT too. So, to answer the question in the title, it is impossible to say whether HC is making progress - it is constantly changing instead. Some members miss things like online striptease, others long for the closed Tossers Tavern... some would like to bring back the glory days of the Other Side or the Glade, others miss the fun they had with their new friends.

In other words, there can be no comparison - the total number of red stars or the rate at which they're being given is deceiving.

But it all doesn't matter, Elvin. That's why I wrote such a short post at first. In hindsight, this entire hoopla adds up to nothing... It all boils down to the people you get to meet and know here.  

So, TDL, allow this old fart to give you a piece of advice: don't let your life or thoughts revolve around small red gif files on an Internet forum... They will give you the same kind of satisfaction and the sense of accomplishment as gaining levels in Heroes - eventually, you'll HAVE TO turn off your computer.


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Salamandre
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posted April 01, 2009 02:11 PM

I am not offended, as long as my posts try to extinguish the fire, while you try to revive it.
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Asheera
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posted April 01, 2009 02:15 PM

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Have you even read the whole thread? The MAJORITY was in FAVOUR of a status quo!!! GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT!!! Jeezus, what a snicker!
Hmm, the majority of the Mods were against the QPs I think, and what does it matter what the people think if the mods are the ones handling the entire QP system? The Mods gave the QPs, they can do whatever they want with them. Begging, or even worse, threatening for restoring the QP system is no better than begging to get a QP for one of your own posts, which is QP hunting, as you many know. I mean, what if you didn't get your QPs in the first place, simply because the mods didn't want?

I'm kind of disappointed in you Lex, seriously. I can't believe you said that without QPs you wouldn't ever again create good posts, or that you would delete your good posts (like Xarfax). Are you really that much of a QP hunter? Why did you join CH then? That forum has no QPs.

Even if this is April's fool joke, I have to say I liked it, because it showed the true colors of some members who would leave because there are no more QPs.
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kainc
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posted April 01, 2009 02:21 PM

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Don't be offended by the analogy, but it seems that some people can be a bit like dogs - just throw them a bone once in a while and they'll work better than most others.  But, alas, no bones to throw any more


Hopefully they'll realize that there are other snacks available, now that those bones are gone (other ways to show appreciation) and even these bones were tasty, and were thrown by "masters" (mods), other people can give some snacks as well sorry if this didn't amuse you.

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Skeleton_King
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posted April 01, 2009 02:27 PM

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Have you even read the whole thread? The MAJORITY was in FAVOUR of a status quo!!! GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT!!! Jeezus, what a snicker!
Hmm, the majority of the Mods were against the QPs I think, and what does it matter what the people think if the mods are the ones handling the entire QP system? The Mods gave the QPs, they can do whatever they want with them. Begging, or even worse, threatening for restoring the QP system is no better than begging to get a QP for one of your own posts, which is QP hunting, as you many know. I mean, what if you didn't get your QPs in the first place, simply because the mods didn't want?

I'm kind of disappointed in you Lex, seriously. I can't believe you said that without QPs you wouldn't ever again create good posts, or that you would delete your good posts (like Xarfax). Are you really that much of a QP hunter? Why did you join CH then? That forum has no QPs.

Even if this is April's fool joke, I have to say I liked it, because it showed the true colors of some members who would leave because there are no more QPs.


Yep, that's a very good joke, if it is. It shows the real members, no the QP hunters.
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