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Strider_HL
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posted May 27, 2009 10:19 AM |
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For begin in all my games vs Fraudatio and DrOwange, and Zilo i won only 1  But its was planed losses from me. I wanted to get fun games vs nice oponents and i played map full blind.
Explanations behind wussy ways are very funny to read for a good start of day  "Planned" losses for 6 games in a row? Map fully blind?  Map is not blind after 1st time any more haha Simply, Fred and Dr. owned you and you still make humiliating remarks about their skill pfff
And what is that "me want play my choose heroe because me don't know map"?? Just because of your whining Zilo had to make special rules instead of full random... In what way all the rest are different from you? For instance, when i started with Kis i had only 1 ranked game vs. sq on prehistoric version while he had 9. And we never had these wussy rules of not playing some faction or choosing power heroes  LOL, you have 8 games now vs. my 6...
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Elit
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posted May 27, 2009 10:38 AM |
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For begin in all my games vs Fraudatio and DrOwange, and Zilo i won only 1 But its was planed losses from me. I wanted to get fun games vs nice oponents and i played map full blind.
Explanations behind wussy ways are very funny to read for a good start of day "Planned" losses for 6 games in a row? Map fully blind? Map is not blind after 1st time any more haha Simply, Fred and Dr. owned you and you still make humiliating remarks about their skill pfff
And what is that "me want play my choose heroe because me don't know map"?? Just because of your whining Zilo had to make special rules instead of full random... In what way all the rest are different from you? For instance, when i started with Kis i had only 1 ranked game vs. sq on prehistoric version while he had 9. And we never had these wussy rules of not playing some faction or choosing power heroes LOL, you have 8 games now vs. my 6...
I'm glad finaly my post make you happy
About losses its 5 not 6. I started all games with Fred/Zilo/drOwnage in same day and i didunt know important locations.
For example i reported my 1st game vs Zilo midle on week 2 because decide its waste of his and my time to continue and we started second. You know for 10 days on this map you cant learn alot.
About choices and all random. Map is very unbalanced for all random...smal example Haven/vitorio vs Haven/any other hero. If you dont get WM or ligh magic lvl 3-4 game is totaly different from game with Vitorio. Another example is orc/telesec vs another hero if you dont get WM lvl 3-4 too.
About you great skills ....its not hard when you play 3-4 turns and make save for "test" next battles and do it all games. Try some time to play like real players and decide in limited time your battles and action. Not like your last game vs Kispagat where you decide few days what to doo before continue it...
Drama coming soon....
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted May 27, 2009 10:52 AM |
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I glad idea of "hero choose" is alive and have big success
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted May 27, 2009 12:17 PM |
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You know for 10 days on this map you cant learn alot.
The only really hard time on Twilight are first 2 weeks. After that there are only strategic decisions about garrisons and center.
As for our games with Kis then we didn't save because of number of turns but because it was usually 2 a.m. And i used single only in last 5th game when i needed to test AI.
But you are conveniently turning attention away from you. I'm annoyed by your degrading remarks about fellow players (who haven't given you reason), nonsense talking about "blind" map for 6 games and chicken whining about full random. This tournament is designed for hardcore players on hardcore map 
Better write about setup in your games vs Destro and Michal - that is the purpose of this thread. We would like to read also comments from your opponents about what went wrong, what interesting twists happened etc.
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted May 27, 2009 12:44 PM |
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This tournament is designed for hardcore players on hardcore map
Don't think this is hardcore, hardcore is then players start game and end it in one session ... This tournament is like offline competition, you start hot seat game vs comp with same hero you have in tournament game... Try and reload, try and reload ... Take a lot of time but in the end creep replays look perfect
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natalka
Supreme Hero
Bad-mannered
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posted May 27, 2009 01:28 PM |
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wuhuu all against Strider, let`s go! Infinitus WTF is the problem??? Your point is completely nonsense because on custom maps the guards change.You play ONLY random map and if you look at save why others should do it?? Stop arguing and leave Strider alone. You even don't have the knowledge of all factions he has or all others in TOH first ranks.
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted May 27, 2009 01:50 PM |
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I not arguing, this is friendly talk in good company
My looking at save ??? Almost all my games are one session games ...
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diegis
Supreme Hero
power of Zamolxis
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posted May 27, 2009 02:00 PM |
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Thats y I always said Ubi server is a "safe" one
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted May 27, 2009 02:58 PM |
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Thats y I always said Ubi server is a "safe" one
Is that true? Saves are completely protected in Ubi games?! Then that's the way to go!
If you, Infi, are referring to me then in single test i had different hero with different skills but that is already past. What concerns me is that some "real player" might play all games on Twilight with the same 1 or 2 heroes. That is complete pornography of strategic endeavour
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted May 27, 2009 03:52 PM |
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What concerns me is that some "real player" might play all games on Twilight with the same 1 or 2 heroes. That is complete pornography of strategic endeavour
Pornography or not, if he enjoy the game this way, why not ? Why need to impose proper will to others ? Let people decide what they like ...
If i not like evil factions like Necro or Inferno, why should i play this factions ?
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valkyrica
Supreme Hero
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posted May 27, 2009 04:55 PM |
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Again with the bad words regarding porn ... what's with you ?!
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted May 27, 2009 05:13 PM |
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Better write about setup in your games vs Destro and Michal - that is the purpose of this thread. We would like to read also comments from your opponents about what went wrong, what interesting twists happened etc.
If my oponents want to post they will post. In all my games i'm academy. Kispagat think its most weak race...so i will test it.
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What concerns me is that some "real player" might play all games on Twilight with the same 1 or 2 heroes. That is complete pornography of strategic endeavour
If you are feel good on any map like Me or Zilo can offer your oponents to choice for both race and you will choice hero. Fill free to play with this rules vs me on HG . If you want to be "lucky sucker" go all random. Only when you choice race/hero you can put deep strategy from both sides. TW i very specific map and can generate alot unfair match. All random here in serius games is bad idea.
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted May 28, 2009 12:42 AM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 00:51, 28 May 2009.
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This tournament is like offline competition, you start hot seat game vs comp with same hero you have in tournament game... Try and reload, try and reload ... Take a lot of time but in the end creep replays look perfect -- Infinitus
Wow.. yet again I agree with Infinitus... I have loaded TW couple times now testing out first week or so... and notice that after first garrison I have only half my army... then get on boat and head to gold mine.. and there is little chance to beat that army even with full week 1 army lol... UNLESS I do as infinitus says and play and test it over and over trial and error until I find the correct solution... Sooo much micromanagement/homework is totally agaisnt the nature of heroes... well atleast what I consider heroes to be.
Unfortunately between WORK / KIDS / TIMEZONE Conflicts etc etc.. AND the need to spend several several hours studying and learning the solution to the TW puzzle... there is no way I would ever beable to finish all of my games. Would be lucky to complete 1 or 2 tops.
Heck even with the Masters like Strider and Kisp already cracking and having learned the solutions... still there games and turns lasted 15-30 mins each or so I heard  It would be June of 2011 before I would beable to finish my games at that rate.....
Any takers on my seat?
And for the record... wanting to donate my seat to someone is based on this formula:
-- 95% TimeZone Conflicts -- Everyone is sleeping when I can play and vice versa.
-- 5% Just dont wanna Take the time to study and learn the complex formulas of how to take the battles in such fast perfect times.
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted May 28, 2009 12:56 AM |
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You exaggerate, Jinx The map is hardcore indeed due to lack of army (i suicided at the gold mine in game 1 vs Kis). And yet, there is no profound studying involved to be able to creep effectively. At least on full random it is impossible to prepare for all factions.
You learn as you play along. I suicided in 1st game but after that i managed to clear gold mine in the following games. My logistics improved a little bit too. If you play first games versus other players with little experience on TW then you should be perfectly fine. I think if you finish 1st game with Fiur, you both will be already at good level. And lastly, don't forget that you are almost at the very top of TOH rankings now and that witnesses about skill Namely, if several other players can participate in tournament with similar lack of knowledge about TW then you should be more than able to do it as well And without studying - just play Fiur
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted May 28, 2009 01:40 AM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 01:58, 28 May 2009.
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well indeed.. I have no doubt my game with Fiur will be tons of fun... But I am more concerned with players like Fraud and DRownage and Strider and Kisp in later rounds if I make it.. by the time I have enough army to take the gold mine it will be late week 2... when strider and kisp are taking it day 8... and if I fall 1 week ++ behind each game week.. I will never catch up.
Strider... you are always the most diplomatic smooth talker.. the way you talk.. you ALWAYS make me wanna keep trying... make me wanna see the brighter side.. but then my realistic side kicks in...
Please me COMPLETELY Honest with me... What chances do I have if I fall 3-4 days behind each week.. so at week 5-6 final battle time.. thats average of 20 some days behind... Can I seriously compete losing 20 days?
Atleast playing fiur we will BOTH be 20 days behind the standard hehe...
Also dont for get the part that 95% of my reasons was TIMEZONE conflicts.. you have any good solutions for that? Thoughts? I am keeping an open mind.
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted May 28, 2009 07:43 AM |
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Edited by Elit at 07:48, 28 May 2009.
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Strider... you are always the most diplomatic smooth talker.. the way you talk.. you ALWAYS make me wanna keep trying... make me wanna see the brighter side.. but then my realistic side kicks in...
Please me COMPLETELY Honest with me... What chances do I have if I fall 3-4 days behind each week.. so at week 5-6 final battle time.. thats average of 20 some days behind... Can I seriously compete losing 20 days?
So far its one from main reason to dislike Strider. All time he use his "good" english for fool ppl with fake frendly talk. Glad to see its not work more.
About your qestion Jinxer. I did 4 games with red and 2 with blue. Started map full blid vs Zilo/Fred/DrOwnage ~same day few h difference. Week 1 my oponents get his dweling lvl 6 and in all my games i cant. Lack of location knolege and some test week 1 is huge penalty. Week 2 my oponents get his mine garison 2-3 turns before me so i was all time 3-4 turns behind them, 1 week less lvl 6 and few turns later gold mine. Result from its is week 4 my oponents get mega one or two dwelings. So they have more army. Week 5 they can use this advantage for go in midle and skip last mega dweling. If i go in midle with less army its sure loss if go for all garisons/mega dwelings they can get all good stufs in midle. Map is very limited for artifacts so its realy important. In short few days from week 1 can loss your game week 5-6.
If i compare my second game vs Zilo and summary all my games vs Fraudatio and DrOwnage i can tell:
1. Zilo play map 2-3 lvls over Fred/DrOwange. He creep alot faster and use very good advanced tactic.
2. In my secod game vs Zilo i did alot better from all my next games vs Fred and DrOwnage. Both creep almost same speed. Week 4 i did important decision for kill guard and go midle or prepare to get day 7 week 4 barlog garison. I decide its better and safe if dont go midle and get mega dweling. But when i attack barlogs day 7 loss battle because i didunt know power on this units. We haved rule for 1 reload so game continue but if i know how strong is barlogs i can won same battle same trun just not bring mages and gremlens. So lack experience for units/garison is hell important.
3. Onew from my next games i attaked garison in midle. My suprise was big when notice after Witch-Doctor used Defile chance for cast spel is zero. So on this map Geting Swifmind is very importnt if you want to can kill garisons early. For this Kispagat think Academy is weak here because cant get log and from it Swif. Resurces for mini arts is not enough too.
4. Another huge problem is luck factor. In teory you have all spels because have all 4 tomes but its not true. You need some basick important spels for creep. For Inferno/Haven simple cant get slow if not get it from mage guild=chance is 33%. You cant expect to learn it from Arcane Intoition because chance for Enlig is 2%. At all what spel you will get from mage guild is very important for all races and can complete kill your game...from other side its prevent planing every game to be same and same.
In short i invest part from my ToH points for get knolege for map. TW is sure interest and hard but very specific and all random can produce very luck and unfair match. If you don't have few full games here your chances vs oponent who have is almost zero. Only one way to beat him=if he suicide. BTW in all my games its my main tactick. I'm wait oponent to suicide and its happend in all games for now. Hope my answer will be usefu to all ppl in turnament. Jinxer dont give up. Lossing few games can kill only Strider You have very cool oponents in your grup. Play and enjoy game.
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valkyrica
Supreme Hero
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posted May 28, 2009 09:33 AM |
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Don't give up Jinx ! I have faith in your abilities !
By the way, what would really be helpful for all the new guys and some of the wannabe contenders (like myself) is to know what are the approximate times of breaking each garrison (game-breaking decisions aside).
And maybe some replays with each race against each garrison (Zilo should have them stacked by now )
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted May 28, 2009 01:19 PM |
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Fortunately for this tournament, elit is wrong about almost everything in respect to TW
If anything then TW is map where you can still win after huge falls. Arguments about couple of late days as game deciding are false. I won't go into details but the best proof should be the experience so far on this extraordinary map:
1. Zilo suicided in ALL 9 games versus Kis and still recovered and managed to win more than half of them.
2. I won Kis with buying the main hero ONLY on DAY 9 (inferno) while being grossly behind in map clearing.
3. I suicided at gold mine and won. Several times Kis and me didn't register lvl6 dwelling on week 1 and still had competitive games. Same about gold mine.
4. Kis usually entered mine zone some 3 days sooner than me, etc.
All these practical examples are meant to encourage Jinx and others just to play. Be considerate creepers and don't worry about being late because the final might be quite different on TW. Don't listen to whining of "real player" about schedule, power heroes and factions. The moto of "Balrog Hunt" should be "NO to wussies!"
P.s. I strongly suggest players to use strike out system with 5 pairs.
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted May 28, 2009 01:25 PM |
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Jinx, me and Zilo want to see you in ranks of contenders. It is pivotal that the tournament has assembled company of top players! That's why we tried to organize groups so that players have pleasant experience and are compatible in time schedule. Kis, Zilo and me are very flexible. Your constant buddy Fiur should pose no problem. The only mismatch in timing would be with Fred but, fortunately, that is only 1 game. I recall that you managed to play with him previously. Very important is also the window of 3 weeks. To conclude about timing, you should be perfectly fine
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Zilo
Promising
Adventuring Hero
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posted May 28, 2009 01:48 PM |
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By the way, what would really be helpful for all the new guys and some of the wannabe contenders (like myself) is to know what are the approximate times of breaking each garrison (game-breaking decisions aside).
And maybe some replays with each race against each garrison (Zilo should have them stacked by now )
I'm glad to share my great and secret wisdom of endless years, spent haunting the walls of Moria, o young master Valky...
Rough timeline
Day 4-5 - shipyard garnizon
Day 7-9 - lvl 6 dwell/gold mine island
Day 10-12 - mine zone garnizon --> clearing mine zone afterwards
Afterwards things vary pretty much depending what faction you play, what spells/skills you have etc. Generally your main aim for week 3 and 4 is to get one (or may be even two) of the mega-dwells, so you should decide for which of the 3 mega-dwells you will go. Usually this means that during week 3 you do some preparations and then in week 4 attack either necro, either fire, either balrog garn and get the mega-dwell.
Late week 4 or early week 5 is good time to hit thunderthanes/airs or titans/wolves block and go for the center.
Afterwards its even harder to predict what to do and how things will go, no game is like another. In terms of "when to break garnizons?" -upper and lower center garnizons are possible to deal with in week 5. Yet at that point battles are deadly risky in most cases, so more realistic option is early week 6.
Finally, ultimate garnizons (staff of netherworld and mentor garnizons) are theoretically possible in week 6 and should be easy enough by week 7.
Regarding replays - sorted stuff what i have, total size was 20+ Mb So, guess, i won't post them all together, but rather will serve them in small portions with some comments added. So keep tuned!
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