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conn
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posted January 07, 2002 05:59 PM |
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Not only did the USA give to the Brits, but also to the Russians.
Now, maybe i'm not up to speed with my history, but i don't recall any piece of american land that was given away. On the other hand i can name a few provinces of way much older countries given away by the americans(with the approvall of the british, of course) to the russians. And, remind me again, why did the US become involved in WWII? Maybe because it's economical interests were jeperdized by the germans...? I could hardly call that selfless inolvment. Before you start praising yourself as the greatest nation alive, think about how you came to be the greatest(?) military power in the world. Don't get me wrong, i'm not saing that there are no good sides to the US, but i think we should see both sides of the coin.
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Gimmickless
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posted January 07, 2002 06:19 PM |
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At least I can answer this one.
[quoteAnd, remind me again, why did the US become involved in WWII? Maybe because it's economical interests were jeperdized by the germans...?
According to a history class I took...3 years ago (has it been that long since I was in high school? Sheesh...), the US declared war on Germany after Germany declared war two days before. This happened immediately after Pearl Harbor, so it was probably something like a diplomatic sign of solidarity among the Axis or something.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, Gootch. 
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kingdylan
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posted January 07, 2002 10:50 PM |
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The axis powers had signed a treaty that meant if any of them were attacked then the others had to join in.
I am aware of the lend/lease policy of the american government during the second world war. Someone had to take all of the british empires money in exchange for goods What shows america up in a better light is their behaviour after the war when they poured enough money into western europe to junpstart an economy that was in severe recession. They also offered to do the same for the eastern europian countries but stalin refused.
I am also aware of the massive benefits america made from the war particularly technologically. Britain sent america a jet engine for you to play with, it was given to GEC I believe. The jet engine having been conceived simultaneously by Frank Whittle an RAF engineer and some German dude whos name elludes me. Also British and American scientists agreed to share all their data on supersonic flight and once the British info had been received and judged most useful the American government slapped big confidential stickers all over their work and refused to share. Gee, those Americans were all heart.
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The_Gootch
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posted January 07, 2002 11:42 PM |
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Conn, I'm going to make believe for a minute that I didn't just read your post. Okay, you have been seriously misinformed. Germany declared war upon us after we declared war upon Japan. So naturally, we declared war upon Germany. As for America's economic interests being threatened, you're only half right. Our interests were definitely threatened; interests such as freedom, democracy, baseball, apple pie, and the american way. As for solidarity, the Japanese would have done better to invade Russia with their 600,000 strong in Kwangtung instead of attacking America. Instead they secretly signed a neutrality pact with the Russians, allowing Stalin to free up an unbelieveable amount of planes and armor against the Germans.
KingDylan, your point is?
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kingdylan
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posted January 07, 2002 11:45 PM |
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...as it always was, America didn't win the second world war for us they helped win it because it was in their own self interest.
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The_Gootch
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posted January 07, 2002 11:54 PM |
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Wrong!! Was it self-interest for us to lose 300,000 on the field of battle for you guys? Hmm??? You seem to forget the strong isolationist streak that America had during that time. My countrymen felt, rightly so, that Europe's problems were not our own. Only in retrospect can you say it was in our best interests because of what we found out about Germany's atomic research. At the time, we were liberating the world of facist tyranny.
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kingdylan
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posted January 08, 2002 12:38 AM |
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Don't you just hate facist tyranny why can't people leave faces out of this? : ) (only joking)
The self interest I was referring to was the preservation of lucrative markets. The president was indeed in favour of joining on moral grounds but I believe the American people wanted nothing to do with the war and it was only Japans attack that swayed public oppinion.
I've lost myself somewhere in here but I'll carry on for a bit anyway.
A couple of interesting things I've read about Pearl Harbour are:
1) All of Americas aircraft carriers were, unprecedently, on manouevres many miles away and so were unharmed in the attack.
2) When the Japanese bombers were first identified, on their way to bomb Pearl Harbour, A dispatch rider was sent to warn them rather than using the telephone, I believe he saw the planes passing overhead when he was on his way.
Draw your own conclusions, personally I like conspiracy theories.
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Hyperion
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posted January 08, 2002 01:03 AM |
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If ya don't mind me asking, how the hell did a post discussing whether the new year was happy turn into a post about the discussion of WW2 and "conspiracy theories"?
.:Hyperion:.
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kingdylan
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posted January 08, 2002 01:09 AM |
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Gradually
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Hyperion
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posted January 08, 2002 01:12 AM |
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You're all just a bunch of off-topic bums.
.:Hyperion:.
(Short posts are bad, you know that!? Oh well. Bangs head on wall.)
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malkia
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posted January 08, 2002 01:13 AM |
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I believe that USA wanted to go into war also to stopped the communism comming from Russia. I know also that there was some secret plan - which never succeeded between some high GERMANY officers and USA to remove HItler's regime, and then continue fight against RUSSIA - Agaist Stalin - against communism.
Also if you don't take place in such big thing as World War II - you'll never get the "goods".
It's still unclear whether Roosovelt knew about Pearl Harbor - as like with Bin Laden - USA is waiting for someone to hurt her, then to start. It's like a gentlemen who don't punches first (when comes to big enemies) - he waits, takes the punch - and then goes ultra! And eventually kills his enemy. That's very good strategy to make your people believe that you had right to do so.
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frenzie
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off with the faeries
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posted January 08, 2002 04:12 AM |
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I just had a wierd typo up there in the subject line. I typed hapopy. LoL
Anyway's.. Just trying to figure out all of ya'll'z opinion's on the new year
I dunno, maybe you should ask it? buy its some flowers, dinner,...dancing??
*boomtish*
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celfious
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posted January 08, 2002 10:44 AM |
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Frenzie has one the golem factory!
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I dunno, maybe you should ask it? buy its some flowers, dinner,...dancing??
You are the first to mention to ridiculousness of this thread origion.
My guess is, that's why it turned into discussing.. that. LoL
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malkia
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posted January 08, 2002 10:51 AM |
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I just had a wierd typo up there in the subject line. I typed hapopy. LoL
Anyway's.. Just trying to figure out all of ya'll'z opinion's on the new year
NOW BACK to original TOPIC!
How the hell we know if the NEW YEAR will be HAPPY - it just started, right?
We can only extrapolate what happpened last year - and it was something like WAR that is.
So either you are humorizing us, or you are just making typo's
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Hexa
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posted January 08, 2002 10:59 AM |
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Nah you are wrong Celfiuos.. the one and only reason that this thread got some replies is that Romana took pity on your thread not getting any replies at all for days!@
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celfious
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posted January 08, 2002 01:16 PM |
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wtf?
Why are you (among those I would never expect) gonna try and start up like that with me Hexa?
You dont want me to get started, in any kind of irrelivent war's! I already know how I would play, and it has nothin' to do with man to man word lashing! (I mite add, i'm not talkin' techonlogy either)
Now tell me..
Exactly, what was the point of that post?
What are you trying to do? Why?
think long, dont get weak and not awnser
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The_Gootch
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posted January 08, 2002 01:19 PM |
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No, the new year is not happy; for it is a year of war.
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Hyperion
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The Great One
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posted January 08, 2002 01:22 PM |
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War hey.. that's bad. Shuts up.
War involving which countries, though?
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(I got a yellow star! Dances around like an idiot.)
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Hexa
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posted January 08, 2002 01:28 PM |
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hmm HOMM4, MtG and Warcraft3 are coming out .... guess that’s a good thing ..just hope 2002 will be more bearable than 2001!@
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Romana
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Thx :D
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posted April 10, 2002 01:39 PM |
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Now that i ofund this thread I thought some of you guys might have an idea if the year year is happy or not and why..
For me it's been the same as previous years so far..ups and downs..but I really love H4 and I made a lot of new friends.
we've also had a lot of new additions to the HC like Cat and Rainbow for example..
well I'd like to know what you all have to say ..so feel free
Love
Romana
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