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Gimmickless
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posted January 09, 2002 09:25 AM

I'm all for the boy getting a piece, but then again, I'm more for wanton sensuality everywhere.  Whenever I order pizza, I'm always suprised that a well-endowed female never comes to my place.  And when one dies, I'm even more shocked she doesn't strip on my pool table while...

...perhaps I shouldn't be discussing that with you all.

*g*  But on a more serious note, I think this world is a free-for-all, and if anyone wants to butter their bread as a last request and succeeds, kudos to them.  If he doesn't carry guilt to his deathbed or cause harm to whoever gave it up for him.  It's kinda f'd up to not tell his parents about it, but that was his choice.

To those who disagree with me on moral grounds: I say there is no weakness involved by not saving your virginity to your death.  Few high schoolers that I happened to know "got some" and so it's obviously a curiosity.  Especially to a dying kid, carpe diem, sieze every opportunity out there, and all that.  It's not much different to request being carried up the tallest mountain in your state/country that you can survive.  I say few boundaries deserve to remain at the end of your natural life, the main basis of this being that I believe there is no afterlife.

There ya go, straight from the psuedo-intellectual's mouth.
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posted January 10, 2002 01:09 AM

Bah! There's a gap and you know it. If you continually disagree with someone, you've gotta realize that there's something going on there. And if something if directed at me, I don't see how I could possibly not take it personally, despite my being an 82 year old geezer.

To tell you the truth, I could care less about details of what you believe. However, so long as it challenges my own beliefs, that's when I care.

...and as to the virginity and teenage sex deal, of course there is no reason to try to retain one's virginity until death...if someone wishes to and manages to do so, in my opinion, they must be spiritually and mentally very strong, and then in some ways, I would admire him or her. However, I'm not against any intimate relations, however the three aspects of passion, friendship and inellectual bond are formed. Hmm, before I say it, I know it's gonig to sound dumb, but through personal experience, I'm fairly sure that I haven't gotten any yet, and don't plan on it any time soon. Do such thoughts pass through my mind? Of course, as with all other humans, it's pretty much a part of daily life, but that doesn't push me to try ane experience it firsthand. Well, I agree that it's partly out of curiosity, but whatever the reason, through normal lives, I don't feel it to be in the best interests of both members of a couple to go all the way, until after they're ready to settle down and be serious about their future life together...which in my case, would hopefully be a while after college, after we have both worked our lives out, and are fairly well off and prepared, both mentally and physically, as in we are financially secure. Until I actually find someone that I think I can stand living with for the rest of my life, that's not really any problem for me, and not an extra burden on the typical teenager's already hectic life.

In this special situation though, since things change and it does'nt have much to do with me, although I've explained my views, I really wouldn't care about the person unless I knew I could try to do something. If you want to do something, do it. If you do not wish to, or fear to do so, then don't. The important thing is what oneself believes. There is a universal truth, but more importantly there are personal truths that we relate and correspond to. In different minds, different moral and lawful codes stand. The difficulty for me to relate, is not so much how one acts according to their beliefs and urges, but rather the beliefs and experiences themselves, that incur the actions.

There is no need nor reason to believe me, but although I do not push the belief onto you if you are not ready to accept such an idea, there is an eternal life after death. Death is not the end, but rather the beginning. The beginning to that which even our wildest dreams cannot even imagine of having. There is a heaven and a hell, and although I personally don't believe having sex right before you die will be the ultimate deciding factor, I frankly do not know and I don't pretend to know. All I know is that in a universe where everything is subdivided into right or wrong, such an action is morally wrong.

Even if it wasn't wrong, and tilting onto the alignment of good, that in itself had I been embedded into another culture where it is widely accepted, as I am not, that would not give me satisfaction. I have no use for one episode of physical pleasure on this plane of existence. Moving into a different reference frame, I think of the future present. What happens to me near my death isn't to do everything that I could not do while I was fully alive, or to end with a band. Instead, it is to simply prepare oneself for their time of judgement. That is my ultimate focus.
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posted January 10, 2002 01:15 AM

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I'm not like this boy, I mean, I would never wish sex. However, I have been on the brink and know the power of last wish. Ok, it's not about me but a boy who was going to die. Don't you, guys, think 15 is a young age to die? if you're not young enough to die, why don't you do things adults do? This boy had never had the chance to be an adult and he was sentenced to die a painful death. Why was her robbed of it? if you ask me, I'd once, only once wish to see how adults are. And maybe this is one of the ways. Boys are curious and I think that one was one of them. He had a wish, it came true. Good. He can now rest in peace.

I think wishing sex is like wishing anything else. I would help this one have it though I think it had to be done with someone else but a snow.

the first part. i agree.
the snow part. who else?
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posted January 10, 2002 01:28 AM
Edited By: RMS on 9 Jan 2002

Ok, let's analyze this shall well?
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I'm not like this boy, I mean, I would never wish sex.
Yes, I agree you wouldn't...and neither would I.

However, I have been on the brink and know the power of last wish. Ok, it's not about me but a boy who was going to die.
I believe you.

Don't you, guys, think 15 is a young age to die?
Yeah, sure it is...but it's not like it never happens.

if you're not young enough to die, why don't you do things adults do?
Why do we have to do what "adults do"? We are are humans, we we are all alike. We do what we want to do. There may be more concious and unconcious pressures and restrictions, but taking that into account, then there still isn't any reason to do so.

This boy had never had the chance to be an adult and he was sentenced to die a painful death. Why was her robbed of it?
Yeah, I know he was...because it's called fate. It happens.

if you ask me, I'd once, only once wish to see how adults are. And maybe this is one of the ways.
I thought that you were an adult, but if you weren't, yeah I suppose you would...but I wouldn't be so intrigued.

Boys are curious and I think that one was one of them. He had a wish, it came true. Good. He can now rest in peace.
At least you hope so.

I think wishing sex is like wishing anything else.
I disagree. If it's a different wish, then it's not completely like it.

I would help this one have it though I think it had to be done with someone else but a snow.
If I understand that correctly, yes since you said so, I suppose you would. I would too, but simply not in the same manner.
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posted January 10, 2002 02:23 AM

What are morals?

Im pretty sure this has been covered before, but morality is hardly an issue here.

What one person/culture may think is morally wrong, another may embrace with open arms! Perhaps he is not christian and therefore to him sex before marriage isnt an issue.... in the end its his choice and ultimately if there is a penalty to face, he will be facing that!

Trying to impose your morals onto another is just selfish.

As for IceDragon's opinion on why he should get his last wish.

I totally agree with you on this point. The ridiculous amounst of money spent on frivalous ideals by developed countries is enormous, probably in itself more than enough to cover the debt of half the world's "developing" nations (not that the so called developed ones are ever going to give them a chance to develop, but thats another thread in itself).

BUT we ARE in a position to grant these wishes, its what the star light foundation (here in Australia) is all about. Granting sick kids a wish, they havent experienced anything in life and they want to give the kids something to look forward to, experience, remember.....

It may not be the be all and end all of making world peace, but its bringing peace and happiness to someone.

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posted January 10, 2002 02:35 AM

Ha! You consider impressing a certain set, or different sets of general or specific morals upon others selfish? I disagree, but even so, then how did civilization develop? What is it that we call orthodoxy? How can we keep order, and attempt to keep at least a minimum level of peace within a certain group? Yes, of course we should think of our own, be free to interperet the world from everything that we know but we shouldnt't just reject everything someone says, simply because someone else has already said or thought it. The world is filled with an infinite amount of possibilities, already predetermined, but still it is an impossibility for humanity to survive, if we are forced to each think about something entirely different from everyone else. We would be foolish to think that is how the world can work. I don't care what one culture may accept that, with a different opinion amongst members of another...there is a universal law of existence. There is a formal definition of right and wrong, underneath good and evil. We may believe something but that does not make it true. I can be, but we cannot prove it, but so long as we believe it and our faith does not falter, that is what counts.
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Tristan
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posted January 10, 2002 02:59 AM

I am just glad that this is returning to more of a debate than an argument.  I have my opinions, but they have already been expressed more eloquently than I could, or need, do, so I will save you all from another long post.  I just hope we remember that we don't have to agree to get along, and that very strong beliefs will not be changed by debate or argument.
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posted January 10, 2002 03:06 AM

...of course. The very strong willed with solid faith will only change them through personal experience...only if they will allow themselves, will they faver in their beliefs...

...however, I'm simply taking the chance that someone may not be overconfidant in their justification, and perhaps I can convince someone of something...otherwise, I'm just doing this to occupy my time, instead of doing my homework...
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posted January 10, 2002 04:53 AM

Perhaps I should reword this some, I am almost sure that RMS and Hexa realize they are not going to change each others minds about this, I was just hoping everyone else would also, and realize that they know it.
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Gimmickless
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posted January 10, 2002 11:15 AM
Edited By: Gimmickless on 10 Jan 2002

Just like a masochist, I keep coming back for more.

[edited to fix link]

Yes, RMS, I responded in advance to what I thought you would say/had already said.  Although it would have been five times as funny to see Gootch jump on my post instead...but I disgress.

I hope you didn't mean it like you did, but "To tell you the truth, I could care less about details of what you believe. However, so long as it challenges my own beliefs, that's when I care." makes little sense to me, and I'm not just talking about the paradox of your own statement.  I offered some justification of my opinion by revealing some of my basic beliefs.  To try and ignore the basis of an argument (no matter how half-assed it may have came out) to refute it is asinine.  At least you made an attempt later on to combat it, though...

To continue with the sex-until-marriage/life-partnership, etc. tangent, I disagree again. (surprised?)  As someone who has gone through extramartial physical relationships before, I can say with a small measure of experience that there is an advantage to screwing around before you're married, and well...it's the fact that you're getting laid.  It's the "try-before-you-buy" concept, in that you get to experience some of the benefits of a long term relationship (sex and its usual and myriad effects of emotional attachment) and lose some of the disadvantages (messy divorces and the social stigma, inter-family conflicts, finding out your life partner just doesn't excite you in the procreative act, etc.). Mind you, it's a trade-off between havig sex and the possibility of becoming jaded and stereotypical about the opposite sex, but life is a mess of trade-offs anyway. I'd rather find out who can work out with me on more levels before I decide to commit than wait and have a unknown factor of a relationship leap in after you agree.  That's my preference.

I think you're someone who's repeating what they were taught without much experience to the contrary, though I might be wrong. I think you think I'm on the wrong and evil side of the argument and am one step closer to Hell for taking my side.  

On the life-after-death side of your post...we already have a thread for that, so I won't bother to further extend my opinions here. Suffice to say that I've stated my views here, and that's that for here. If you wish to continue either through "should we believe in God or no?" or by IM/e-mail, I will do my best to present my case.

Either way, it's fun discussing something even remotely intelligent here.  Nice to see a few people still aren't afraid to try their hands at non-mundane discussions, even if it is mostly the same old faces.
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malkia
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posted January 10, 2002 11:44 AM

BOY WITH SEX WANTS CANCER AS LAST WISH!

coz he'z tired wanna die!

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Batvanio
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posted January 10, 2002 01:23 PM

xxxx

CANCER WITH BOY WANTS SEX AS A LAST WISH!

Cancers also have diseases you know
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posted January 10, 2002 04:30 PM

Quote from RMS:
"Had I had someone who truly love me as much as I loved her, yes I suppose if she wished, I would do so."

Suppose...?

You suppose...?

Ok, RMS, if it's only a "she wished" sort of thing, there is something wrong, and if you only "suppose" that you'd have sex with a girl who loved you and wanted to, then again, something is wrong.


I'm sorry to say this, but your body was designed, by your God, to desire sex, and to deny that is to deny what is natural to want.

Marriage was not created by God, it was created by men. Prostitutes were not created by Satan, they were created by the law of supply and demand.

Anyway, for what it's worth, I think people need to get rid of the idea that "sex is evil", because there is no reason to believe that. Not even reading the bible from cover to cover will tell you that sex is evil.  On the other hand, there is scientific proof that sex has beneficial effects to your emotional and physical health.

What does it all mean?

Good for the kid. He got to enjoy a moment of his life.  Heck, I wonder if that works for older people?  Getting cancer might be the only way I'll ever have sex again.

I liked that post about the pizza girl someone made...
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posted January 10, 2002 04:31 PM

Im 15, and it`s quite logical to have a last wish such as that. The fact is, most if not all would have the same wish, but not the courage to admit it openly.  

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posted January 10, 2002 04:35 PM

ok I find this disturbing...

...me an rogue agree on one too many things... from music to moral subjects... heh... it is goood to see that many people jumped in a serious thread like this one.. there might still be hope
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posted January 10, 2002 05:32 PM

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...me an rogue agree on one too many things... from music to moral subjects... heh... it is goood to see that many people jumped in a serious thread like this one.. there might still be hope


Why is that disturbing? It just means to me that there might be someone in the world who is almost as cool as I am.

Anyway, I'm glad to see an actual discussion on this board again. Maybe there is hope for this place...
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posted January 11, 2002 03:10 AM
Edited By: RMS on 10 Jan 2002

Alright, that's it. Whether or not it's out of a misunderstanding of not, you have just made me say some things that I never said, and actually the opposite of what I thought that I said. I'm not going to go back and re-read what I wrote, because I know how I think so thee's no need to prove my own thoughts with my former words. It's possible that my views may hvae been altered somewhat since yesterday, but I doubt it. This isnít just another of the essays that I writeÖin fact, it isnít one at all. I do not proofread it, and go through it to edit any flaws I see, which obviously there are many. I just let my fingers do the work and type whatever comes to mind. As you can see, I think in a slightly structured but free flowing path. Itís disorganized, but what do I care? I contradict what I say all the time, itís nothing new. I may even say something that I didnít intend to say, that I may totally disagree on. Iím not going to try to explain why that may psychologically happen, but as those only appear now and then, itís fairly simple to see when I didnít mean to say somethingÖat least I hope it is. I donít care if everyone here is agnostic and atheist. I can deal with that, and actually I think itís good practice for me and my Christian duty to the world. I am not going to hide my beliefs, and you can interpret what I say as you wish, but just because you think I meant something, does not mean that was what I meant. I know you care what I think, or you wouldnít even bother answering me, but I really donít think youíre going to change my mind any more than I will yours, no matter how strongly we disagree.

Yes, I know that it is all in the eye of the behold, and that is what Iíve been stressing all along, but it seems to me that some of yoursí have been stabbed one too many times. Hopefullly this will clarify and hopefully not contradict what I've previously said:

1) If my partner can deal with a lack of ability in sexual relations and can stand to replace it with other things, I can too. If not, then tough luck for me.

2) I am not claiming that anyone here is completely evil or even somewhat evil. Although I may have my personal opinions (pertaining to the forces of good and evil) about all of you, I have not consciously expressed them yet, and I do not plan to.

3) I donít care what factors have influenced me to think the way I do. The important thing is that I do, and the same thing applies to everyone else. Nobody learns everything and adopts everything from one source.

4) Ok, one of what appears to be my major mistakesÖ If I ever happen to (and frankly I doubt it) find someone who can come fairly close to being the kind of person I am, and we can accept each other for who we are, then yes, if she wanted sex, Iíd give it to her.

5) Whether you want to believe it or not, in my view he is not my[/I god. He is [I[our god, our father and our creator. I have no say in how I was created, and I for one accept it. Itís not like Iíve tried cosmetic surgery to change the way I look or anything. Of course we all desire sex. It even lurks somewhere in the depths of the minds of those who dedicate their lives to a certain religion and swear never to. Yes, I agree itís natural and Iím not telling anyone to deny themselves of what they want.

6) Essentially, God created everything. He created the universe and all that we see and do not see. However, it is indeed through man, that the Earth has evolved. I do not see what correlation there is between marriage and what we are talking about, but itís simply a symbolic bond. Really, it does not mean anything, except whatever you attach to it. If I never had to or could not marry in my entire life, I would be fine with it. It is still the same thing, without the name. "That which we call a rose, by any other word would smell as sweet."

7) I realize why there are prostitutes, and I never claimed them to be ďevilĒ or to be created by Satan. As men, we have been created, and it is through sin that we have simply fallen short of the glory of God. In fact, if it was not within this thread, somewhere else I know I have at least touched upon the need of prostitution in all civilization and perhaps existence.

8) Who said sex was evil? It is what we make it to be. It can be the most wonderful experience in the world, and at other times, it can be the worst. I do not speak on behalf of the Bible, nor my God. I am not worthy to do such, but rather I speak on my own behalf. Sex is not evil.

9) This too I have said before. Although I have not personally experienced it, I know that sex is healthy to the body, mind and soulÖand if it isnít, it should be.


10) Why everyone is against me? I do not know. Of course I made it a bit more extensive, all that I was trying to prove was that I really could care less about what happens to him. Also, that if I were in his place, as myself with certain attributes changed, thatís not the way I would think. If you want to make such a big deal out of it, then ok that's just dandy. Whosoever passinately disagrees with me, I challenge you to test my faith. Please do try whatever you want. It is the only way that I can be sure of the strength of my faith.
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posted January 11, 2002 04:16 AM

RMS, there is a life beyond the computer right? maybe you should go get it
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posted January 11, 2002 04:22 AM

...life...beyond computer? What do you mean? The computer is my life. How can there be something aside from that? You confuse me...
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posted January 11, 2002 04:45 AM

err... oops I guess I'm talking to the wrong guy.
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