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Lexxan
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posted July 30, 2009 06:14 PM

Snow it off is not offencive at all. I actually snickered when he wrote that ^^

I personally don't follow the CoC consiously, as I don't like to follow rules and laws at all. I do follow them subconsiously though, since I agree with them. [the CoC in this case]

The CoC for me is nothing more than a bunch of guidelines.
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JollyJoker
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posted July 30, 2009 06:35 PM

What? You don't think it's offensive when I call you a bag of excrements? Well, that's good to know!

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TheDeath
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posted July 30, 2009 06:37 PM

I think the word itself isn't, but the meaning is.
That's why censoring is wrong. It's the meaning, the intent, not the WORD, that matters.
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posted July 30, 2009 09:21 PM

But how many people would write "Bull-bagofexcrements"?
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xerdux
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posted July 30, 2009 10:31 PM

Just say stuff like "Feck", "BS" and "Crap?" then? But yeah, the censorship over swearwords is silly.
Time to get rid of the medieval double morale >.>
I doubt there is any 6 year old kid reading these forums. I joined when I was typ kanske antagligen (lol) 10-12 or something. If you are plus 8 years old, then the chances are that you already know all swear words unless you have totally overprotective parents that will annhiliate your mind when you get older >.>

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posted July 30, 2009 10:54 PM
Edited by Vlaad at 22:55, 30 Jul 2009.

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Just say stuff like "Feck", "BS" and "Crap?" then? But yeah, the censorship over swearwords is silly.
Time to get rid of the medieval double morale >.>
I doubt there is any 6 year old kid reading these forums. I joined when I was typ kanske antagligen (lol) 10-12 or something. If you are plus 8 years old, then the chances are that you already know all swear words unless you have totally overprotective parents that will annhiliate your mind when you get older >.>
Actually, the censorship on HC is not supposed to protect children from adults - it's vice versa. As Gootch put it, "if swearing was allowed here all we would see from the teeny boppers is one long chorus line of expletives".
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xerdux
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posted July 30, 2009 11:12 PM

Okey

I admit that there are times I have gotten into a teen rage and just wanted to spam all forums with Snow words >.>

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Lexxan
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posted July 30, 2009 11:23 PM

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What? You don't think it's offensive when I call you a bag of excrements? Well, that's good to know!


They can call me whatever they like. It only shows other people's lack of decent vocab and communication skill. If they choose to remain on troll level, that's for them to decide.  The -QPs speak for themselves
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posted July 30, 2009 11:43 PM

It's an enforcement of social etiquette and I respect that, but at the end of the day you can't spell **** without coc.
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JollyJoker
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posted July 31, 2009 07:03 AM

Quote:

They can call me whatever they like. It only shows other people's lack of decent vocab and communication skill. If they choose to remain on troll level, that's for them to decide.  The -QPs speak for themselves

But that's exactly the problem. Excrement isn't more decent than any of the four-letter-words associated with it - it's describing the same thing, but it's longer and more complicated, so it's awkward to use. That's all. If you are offended, you are offended, no matter how elegant the phrasing. If a politician takes money from either the syndicate or "private investors" abusing his position and, err, screwing the people who voted him, you can of course call him a corrupt, dishonest opportunist without any social conscience, but "pile of ****" does it quite nicely. "Dog turd" would be fine as well, and strangely enough THAT does not seem to be indecent.

Didn't John McEnroe invent "circumventing CoC". You know, "shuck", after he got sick of being fined and penalized for using the two words that one is made up of. Worked for a while, but later on in his case they decided to interpret CoC in spirit especially for him, and "shuck" became a no-no as well.

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mvassilev
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posted July 31, 2009 07:07 AM

"Person of African descent" and the n-word also refer to the same thing, but the latter is offensive and the former isn't.
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JollyJoker
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posted July 31, 2009 07:39 AM

Not quite. The "n-word" is a phonetic corruption of another n-word, Negro. Negro comes from the latin "niger", which means black. While both "negro" and "snow" were seemingly used in the beginning as a rather neutral term for those black-skinned slaves, later the word was used within the pseudo-scientific racial theories to describe the "negroid race" with certain facial characteristica, different skull form and so on (and it doesn't need extra mentioning to know that the negroid rase was considered inferior). Moreover all "snows" were not only black people of African heritage, they were slaves as well.

So in fact it means: "member of the inferior negroid race that is black and descended from Africa to become a slave."

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Lexxan
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posted July 31, 2009 11:31 AM

Actually, the correct alternative to "African" would be Negrow (or Negro), and not the N-word.

Just like in Dutch, where "Neger" is not offencive but "Nikker" is.


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JollyJoker
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posted July 31, 2009 12:48 PM

Actually there is no alternative to "African".

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Azagal
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posted July 31, 2009 02:45 PM

@Corribus
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I wanted to ask the broader question of what the code of conduct means to you.  Because people who are looking for ways to safely violate its basic rules obviously haven't thought about this question very much.  

Well to answer your first Question:
Val isn't god and the mods certainly aren't Noah enforcing the 10 commandmends... For me the CoC has never been something set in stone, rules which are to be followed in their every word and if not punishment is justified. I always thought the CoC is there to outline the idea Val had for the atmosphere/ambiente he wanted in this forum. I personally believe that he makes us censor foul language not because he's so naive as to believe that the "***"s or a "snow" might actually cancel the offensiveness or even make the words un-understandable, but simply because he wants to show that HC, as the place we come to, not a particular fora, doesn't value/approve such language. It's symbolic not an actual precaution meassure.
Actually the CoC does nothing but outline the very basics of a civil and healthy atmosphere for communication. They simply had to be written down so that the mods had something to base penalties on, in order to not have to use their own interpretations of civil behaviour in order to avoid confusion.
For "more mature" people (bad phrasing but my vocabulary isn't great)
the CoC is symbolic/self-explanatory for "less mature" people it is a walking stick until they learn/understand and can walk HC without difficulties.

But ultimately it really doesn't matter what the CoC means to me when it comes down to it being applied. I can follow the CoC in the spirit I just outlined and if a mod has a different stance on what the CoC says I'm fried. Sometimes personal interpretations go to far of course but I trust you still see issue.
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JollyJoker
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posted August 03, 2009 09:02 AM

Ha! At least I had an inspiration now, what the "snow" stuff is all about. It seems to be some tribute to George Martin's Ice & Fire series.
Can't imagine why it took me so long to make the connection.

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Mamgaeater
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posted August 03, 2009 02:37 PM
Edited by Mamgaeater at 14:39, 03 Aug 2009.

i personally thought it was a reference to censorship(to snow something out).

Either way the Coc does only one thing. establish a guideline for being a polite member. When i look at a post i think about how that poster has acted towards other users. nothing else, as everything else is totally irrelevant.
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