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posted September 22, 2009 06:26 PM |
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Sorry, I prefer German, Austrian and Italian marches the most 
Austrian.
German
Italian I couldn't find there, but French. Also French.
You can always search the music by category or just type something in though =D
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posted September 22, 2009 06:32 PM |
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German: Hohenfriedberger marsch
Der köningräzzer marsch
Preussens Gloria
Frei weg
I got a large number of Austrian Marches but not their original names.
Italian:
Redshirt march
Libyan guard march
Venetia march
(don't know are the names correct, but the Italian Marches have some really catchy tunes ).
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posted September 22, 2009 07:17 PM |
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As a more left-oriented German (not socialistic left!) I have a somehow natural dislike of marches.
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posted September 23, 2009 12:51 AM |
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I only listen to soundtracks & pop, and the percentage (of memory used) would be like 97% soundtracks and 3% pop, and even then, the pop is usually not the crap you see from famous artists, especially the crap that they put out these days (usually it's because the pop is inspired from a soundtrack/movie so it has a similar theme, which is why I even have it in the first place).
I used to only listen to Electronic music but then branched out and found so much more wonderful music out there. you should try and do the same as well. 
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Sometimes I like heavy metal riffs in some action music, but overall, I don't like black metal or "growl" metal (is that death metal) at all, just a small mix of it.
What has heavy metal riffs got to do with rock music? Heavy metal is heavy metal, it's not the "rock" we are talking about here. 
Although I do agree with you in the not liking black metal or death metal or whatever it's called. Screamo is even worse, but that's nothing to do with this topic.
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posted September 23, 2009 12:55 AM |
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I used to only listen to Electronic music but then branched out and found so much more wonderful music out there. you should try and do the same as well.
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What has heavy metal riffs got to do with rock music? Heavy metal is heavy metal, it's not the "rock" we are talking about here.
Well some people call metal "rock", although if you are talking about the more traditional type of rock, that's what I like even less (because it resembles more the typical lyrics music with beats -- I don't particularly like music with beats, too boring). of course that's all just my opinion.
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posted September 23, 2009 01:06 AM |
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Well some people call metal "rock", although if you are talking about the more traditional type of rock, that's what I like even less (because it resembles more the typical lyrics music with beats -- I don't particularly like music with beats, too boring). of course that's all just my opinion.
Well that's not what rock is at all. Sorry. Rock isn't for everyone though.
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posted September 23, 2009 01:07 AM |
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Alright sorry then for confusing them. You know, most people I know call metal "rock", and I realize that it's error now, but I'm not familiar with it.
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posted September 23, 2009 01:08 AM |
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It's all good mate. I've seen it before. It's not exactly rock it's more like a sucky sub genre of it imo.
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posted September 23, 2009 01:09 AM |
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By itself, it sucks yes. (though some riffs are good when put in other contexts, IMO ).
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posted September 23, 2009 10:03 AM |
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Actually the border between hard rock and metal (not death/black metal) is so blurry that I've seen many bands branded with both names. But that's a discussion for another topic.
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posted September 23, 2009 10:09 AM |
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Comparing rock to classical is like comparing HC to Nietzsche. Few understand the last, everyone understand the first. Those who understand the last learn something, those who read the first enjoyed but lost their time.
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posted September 23, 2009 10:18 AM |
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A lot of people hear classical and think 'Boring', and a lot of the music of the time was just that. However, the shining stars of the era were anything BUT boring.
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posted September 23, 2009 11:02 AM |
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So you got Vivaldi, but not Paganini in those comparisons? So that proves Alcis post.
I find that I can't really stand listening to violin music. I think that's because pretty much all violinists nowadays use steel strings, which have an overtone series that seems to mimic the overtone series of nails being dragged across the chalkboard. String players used to use catgut, which I believe might have had a more pleasant tone. That would at least partially explain why violin music was much more popular in the past. In fact I have a folder specifically dedicated to holding pieces of music that I need to get a better version of, one of who's residents is Bach's concerto for two violins. Anyway, if you've got some links for some good Paganini tunes I'll be happy to listen to them.
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I'm not sure I get it - just because you have more gigs does not necessarily mean it's better music? I have more gigs of Britney Spears on my pc than I have Bob Dylan, that does not mean I think Britney Spears makes better music than Bob Dylan does ...
The whole idea was to cull through each musician's portfolio and find the best stuff that stands up to repeated listenings. Durability I believe is pretty good way to evaluate quality. Some of the more recent bands on my pie chart may fade over time, that's a bit uncertain at this point....
Meanwhile, a Britney Spears folder on my computer would only have one song in it, and that's only because of the genius level production quality on her first hit. In any case, she wouldn't get credit either for that or for the song composition.
As far as the heavy metal vs hard rock goes, whenever I hear that Led Zeppelin invented heavy metal it just makes me go 'huh?'. Heavy yes, metal no. Deep Purple (1972) seems to me to be the best candidate for 'forerunner of all heavy metal'
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posted September 23, 2009 12:10 PM |
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Comparing rock to classical is like comparing HC to Nietzsche. Few understand the last, everyone understand the first. Those who understand the last learn something, those who read the first enjoyed but lost their time.
Comparing rock to classical is like comparing Tolkien to Hannibal Lecter.
Tolkien rules and Hannibal Lecter eats people's inner organs.
(please note I could've replied to this in a serious manner but didn't find it worth my time)
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posted September 23, 2009 04:51 PM |
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posted September 23, 2009 04:53 PM |
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@FriendOfGunnar: As a matter of fact I don't like high-pitched instruments myself, but I find most violin sounds pleasant. Although I have to point out I prefer darker sounds, which is why I prefer the viola or cello in the strings department.
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posted September 24, 2009 12:52 AM |
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Hitler fancied himself a spiritualist too
Kidding, there are of course classical things that moved me (mondscheinsonate or toccata and fugue in D minor) but I always found the essence of my soul more drawn to 1970s.
The problem is that some people who listen to classical tend to generalize people who listen to rock, as well as vice versa.
I think they both completely miss the point. Too many folks are too busy with their self-righteousness to be able to see the soul behind it all.
And of course there are folks that live in the best of both worlds. Or rather, in their own world. ^^
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posted September 24, 2009 01:15 AM |
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Thats OK. Maybe the thread should be renamed then, because the "vs" is quite generalizing the opinions. If it is about what people enjoy to listen, then I have no problem with it. But putting classical "anything", would it be literature, painting or music "vs" something as "ambiance" art is weird. There is a difference between listening and hearing music/noise.
For a classical musician, rock and pop do not enter in "music" category, as he CAN read them, understand and judge it from a professional point of view. Most humans enjoy them, as they enjoy soccer, violence, mockery or Rambo movies. To each one his taste. But only spiritual achievement will give us the charisma needed to survive among others(do I sound like Elodin here?) and this come from real art only.
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posted September 24, 2009 01:57 AM |
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I personally don't think comparing Rambo movies to rock music is either a serious, professional or, uhm, spiritual point of view. At least if you don't shove all rock into the boundaries of cheap glam rock of the 80s, which I am sure you'd never do. As a professional musician you have certainly heard all styles of rock and did your own research before drawing conclusions.
Then again, rock was never a strictly musical art. A huge part of the artistic value of a band was comprised in its lyrics, as well as, sometimes, general appearance and many other factors, or at least that's how I tend to see it. Yet it goes beyond art; often, a band's - or a movement's - philosophy and attitude had far more influence on people's minds than some of the greatest artists of all time; something which distincts the best rock has to offer from a Rambo movie, as you put it.
And charisma... Yes, there is the charisma, the basis of rock'n'roll, and the reason it survived far past its classical counterparts in the minds of people. Because, indeed, rock was, much like all the arts, meant to evolve and change constantly; while classical music has stopped being created a long, long time ago. You have musicians - great musicians, of course - playing music that other people wrote a couple of centuries ago; channeling others' art yet making very little (or none) of it themselves. And then you have an aspiring rock band creating something which may not be of the same flawless quality of Beethoven's works, but which is their own, which shows their visions, and which plays the music they created themselves. If I had to decide whether a better musician is he who most closely presents the music of someone else, or someone who makes something as of yet unseen (be it of lesser quality than the works of the ancient music gods of old), I would definitely pick the latter.
Overwhelming quantities of artists were never quite understood in the age they lived in. It took years and years for people to accept artistic movements such as impressionism after neoclassical art. Only now have people started seeing jazz as art; it will probably take another 50 years since rock died to make them classify it as that too. Not the run-off-the-mill stuff created and shipped in barrels, of course, but true rock, what rock was meant to be. The rock that will be remembered by history.
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posted September 24, 2009 03:26 AM |
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I listen to about 80% classical, 20% "modern". Although, to be fair, saying your favorite music is classical is about like saying your favorite food is meat.
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