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thecastrated
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posted January 14, 2002 04:25 AM |
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Honour's over, now sportamanship
Last week, I had a game with Mocara on hg3. He was tower, but got 2 strongholds, and me, rampart wif 2 other different castles.
Play went on and it proved 1 of my most spectacular game on hg3. in the end, as I remember, the only lvl 7s I had were my 4 goldies, while he had 12 ancients and 8 chaos. Believe it or not, I reduced the ancients to 0,and that was with him having recanters, but his 8 chaos won the day . I rate the odds of the battle were we to do it again as 50-50, but moc gave a 9-1 in my favour. His army was REAL huge..
Then just 1 day later, I had a game with XXX on BOB2. I was rampart, he, necro as main castle while inferno as 2nd, and there was another inferno in centre. He had recanters.
After the first battle in wk 3, he had about 500+ skes, 2 dreads and 18 crusaders left. I had to surrender with 4 grands elves. After 2nd battle in day7wk4, he had only 170 skes left, while I surrendered with 23 dwarves and 3 pegasi. I assume we had fought with all our main army.
Immediately after the first battle, you know what he kept telling me? It was like"Hey, I got 2 infernos, Hey, I got 2 infernos!" And said that it was a 100%certain win for him simply because of that. He persistently told me to just concede too. What a great bulls***
The greatest joke was when he said "I know it, you know it" What an arrogant guy! Do I need to show him the save I had with mocara?
Lets have it in point form now:
Claim 1) That he had a 100% win coz of 2 infernos;
Crap. How do you get the money to build ALL 3 castles? Just take money into consideration: 5k(fort)+ 15k(2castles) +30k(basic forsaken palace) + 20k(upgrade) +8k(2efreet lakes) =78000 gold, nevermind the other structures. Do I need to mention 1 devil costs 4k? And as we all hired all the army from our main towns, nec. and rampart, we could compare money. By the final battle I had only 10k, and it wouldnt b enuf for all the army I had to buy next day. How would he? Do I need to mention that necro, forsaken and efreet dwelling all need merc? Lets see, so hes telling me that he has 2x4 + 2x15 + 20= 58 extra merc AFTER already getting his ghosts and guild?
I could very well place my hero in between the 3 castles. and in whichever castle that he did not buy army, they would be mine, built free for me ) I need to further mention that he had no town portal?
Conclusion:Hes wrong. Even if he could buy all the above, just look at the honourable game I had with mocara.Just having 2 infernos isnt a 100% win. Shall I mention that ancients has 300 hp, while devils, 200?
Claim 2) That he would win after having big enuf an army and taking off recanters.
Another crap.
My thogrim's power was 25, compared to his crag's 14 or so. I had exp res.
When you take off racanters, you would only make my power count. I wanted to laugh at this claim. Taking off recanters would be to MY advantage, not his. Think again.
Hes wrong again.
Claim 3) His skes were sufficient to do whatever they wanted.
He had only 170 skes at the end of 2nd battle, maybe raise 60 more? Its already wk4 day7, for goodness sake, how many creatures are there for isra to fight?
The biggest bulls*** is still the "you know it,I know it". I know tis not a certain win! Anyone will fight on.
Yet he was saying that I had no sportsmanship by continuing. Give all to judge now: Issit more unsportsmanly to request to continue a game or for your opponent to demand you to resign simply because he think he had won? The game wasnt close to ending: the 2 libraries were not visited, as well as a crown of dragon tooth guared by titans in centre. And my opponent expected me to resign solely because he thinks that he had won????
Time to start a thread on sportsmanship--its a bit different from honour n stuff.
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted January 15, 2002 02:08 AM |
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I agree!!!
I just want to comment on one point you made Castrated.
I have 11 losses this season, and I would say that 7 of them were when I had DOUBLE army. Now this guy says I got double army I win easy! WRONG!!! All you need to win any game is double stats. I seem to be a slow learner because, as I mentioned in 7 of my losses I opten to ake advantage of my double towns and try to amass a huge double army, ONLY to find out that I got the raw end of the deal when the computer randomly placed the artifacts/relics on the map. Little did I know that my fate was about 95% decided on day one based on how the artifacts where placed on map. But since noone knows what artifacts are on map and where, the obvious thing to do is play the game! So I build my DOUBLE army, feeling all confident as this guy did that castrated mentioned, but then when you see the 2 land relics on your side is Black Orb and sandles. And then you hit you 5 blackie full topia and get Sack of Gold, 15%resistboots, another pair of sandles, and thunder hat!! So now I have DOUBLE army and have gained 2-2-0-10 total to my stats. While my opponent has a standard 1 town army, and has HHelm and Dragon armor as land relics and recieves SOJ, blue necklace, and Lions Shield from topia so my opponents relics add 19-19-15-15 to there over all stats. With this setup, I could have triple army and still lose without a fight. So this is just an example of why you should never conceed when your opponent has double army. So I applaud you castrated for not conceeding. =)
Jinxer =)
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Twinklebone
Tavern Dweller
Opus Dragonia King
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posted January 15, 2002 04:47 AM |
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yep
jinxer got right!
i loss my most games by getting bad artifacts/relics......
but i believe all times to find as good artifacts for me, hehe.....
hail to the king
twinklebone
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Motorschaaf
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
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posted January 15, 2002 05:09 AM |
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okie here we go
1. in the first fight hack with attack 40+ kicked ur butt as u discribed.
2. then u started to hide in town with 2 gold drags and just hitting end turn over and over again. At this points I told u, u are lost and of course U were. because on bob 2 middle castle(inferno) is prebuild. so i just needed to wait till i have a big army of devils and sultans ( both flyers) thay would kick the *** out of ur gold drags. and so many of them that ur 500 damage icebolt would be useless.
3. i just dont wanted to sit in my castle and hit end turn over and over again just to kill you end of month 3 with a horde of archdevils. so i offered a draw because i only play a game as long as i enjoy it.
4. @jinxer the only thing that matters in really huge fights is attack / defense . so if i had waited long enuff to get a huge archdevil/efreet/vamplords/ghostrags army his high power would have been a joke compared to my attack 45 hack and i could finally attack him in town 
5. the second fight i only fought because i had absolutemy no fun in this (lets-click-end-turn-till-my-mouse-is-broken) - game and it was just annoying to run from the left to the right.
If i sit in my castle and wait long eniff u are dead . and u have no chance of capturing a town because i have portal
6. i finally learned in this game vs. u castrated that mocara is right and that its maybe wrong to accept when opponent asks for a reload. this way u would have killed urself and would have saved me a lot time
after this game i understand mocaras posting about the reload thing
I would only do it again vs. my best buddys i think.
was-dumb-to-offer-Reloadschaaf
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rychenroller
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted January 15, 2002 05:38 AM |
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yeah i agree with you motor, although I dont ask them to concede or anything, I would rather just get on with another game, than sit there for 2 hrs while opponent tosses. I played a random with FC and was blocked by a pack of ghosts about a day and a half from town with no other exit. This is harsh, but i had the rest of my area to clear as well, so at least could do something. Then i saw FC's hero on the other side of the ghosts So instead of making him wait to kill the ghosts to get to me, I just conceded. He had the rest of the map to play with, why make him wait all day? i would rather get on with another game, where i can possibly get a win.
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Hexa
Responsible
Legendary Hero
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posted January 15, 2002 05:31 PM |
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hmm don't know if this concerns honor or sportmansship..
Would you guys give your opponent a reload if he blew his 2nd hero on day 2 because the quick combat was still enabled (map BM btw).
Well my opponent didn't .... I don't think thats a very sporty attitude ... Do you?
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Motorschaaf
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
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posted January 15, 2002 06:30 PM |
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i didn't aks him to concede i just wanted to know how many month he would wait and hit the end turn button. And i told him that im not dumb an i wont attack him in town untill i have a huge number of devils and sultans that would spank his gold drags easily. he lost all drags in the fight before so my number of devils would be equal with his gold drags. and don't forget vamp lords, ghosts and sultans. fact is he cant beat a lvl 22 hack with recanters, pendant of negativity and attack 40+ with double army (@ jinxer : AND superior stats too). A 500 damage icebolt was all he had.
Motorschaaf
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Mocara
Famous Hero
what?
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posted January 15, 2002 10:52 PM |
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It is completely wrong to tell someone to concede...or to be mroe specific say "I have 3 inferno..i know it you know it,etc".
If it is such an inconvenience that you cant be bothered to finish out the game then you should concede yourself.
The game is not just about you but about the other person too.
I have been through situations like that where the other guy had double my stats and kept saying "You have no chance.".
It just shows the total lack of sportsmanship by the player who does that.
It is easy to take your huge advantage and use it to talk smack when lady luck is on your side but how would you feel in the same situation as your opponent is now in?
Would you just concede if you still thought you had a chance?
-Mocara
"It ain't over til it's over." - Yogi Berra
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Tristan
Promising
Known Hero
illegally insane
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posted January 15, 2002 11:20 PM |
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I do not believe I would ask my opponent to concede, and the one time I have conceded, I asked if he wanted to finish it or not (it was my first game, and I was way overmatched)
He decided to accept, as he had time for another game, but said if he hadn't he would have finished it, partly for fun, and partly to help me learn more.
and Hexa, I think I would offer a reload if somebody forgot to turn off quick combat at the beginning of a game. Probably even in the middle, since if they are using QC they are trying to make things quicker for me too...
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If you learn so much by losing, why am I so dumb?
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Motorschaaf
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
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posted January 15, 2002 11:52 PM |
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If it is such an inconvenience that you cant be bothered to finish out the game then you should concede yourself.
yeah maybe i should have done it .
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It just shows the total lack of sportsmanship by the player who does that.
do i lack sportsmanship or not ? I dont know. This should be judged by the`players that played me and not by myself or players that never played me
TOHschaaf
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thecastrated
Famous Hero
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posted January 16, 2002 05:59 AM |
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Peace reply
Do not mind, but motor, u have gotten a few facts wrong.
1)I was just sitting there in castle clicking end turns.
If U did save, EVERY turn I was trying to progress. I ended turn at castle only 2 times max(for debate's sake, just count the times after we fought, not wk1 etc.)
The first turn I stayed at castle, was to check your hero's movement, to make sure that crag could not reach my castle in 1 turn: I saw that I could not reach you when I had pegasis(sp12) on, and u had skes (sp5) with u. I made sure for that turn that u could not reach me.
Then the next turn I went underground to get green borders guard. Check your save! After that I went out of green borders guard to try to progress to your castle(s). How do you explain that the second battle was held near where the green borders guard was? Both battles were fought out of castle.
2)In your post in another thread, u said I was just running around with my drags.
Whenever I was out with drags, all my army was on, unless I was saving movement. did u fight a battle with me only having xx drags ,motor?? If I aimed for centre, u said I was just running around; if I had stayed at castle instead you would say I was just clicking end turns. What do u want me to do???
3)I missed out that castle was prebuilt in centre castle (counted in an xtra 7500 gold), but I didnt mention the cost of having to build dwelling for 2x demons and pit lords either.
4)I am singapore's 1997 under16 national champ ya knowPP boastin . Why I mention this? Its because theres a well-known trick called fork or double threat. Heard of the saying "The threat is worse than execution"?
The point is that I could have gone to a centre point, in between 2(or maybe 3) of your castles. To build the above things you would have no money; even if u had crag could only be at one place. So whenever I placed myself as such, you could defend only 1 of them, or fight the battle out with your main. If you lost the battle I can then just take an empty castle prebuilt for me.(U had tp? I give it to you, but it cant counter double threat still. I saw your hero fighting an impcache, disappearing, then reappearing at a castle)
My main point is that there was still game, not that I was winning. K?
5)it was day 7 when the final battle occurred. Next day I could reach your hero with FULL army, with the help of the rally point vs simply your 170+ skes. (I killed 70+skes per bolt;510 ice bolt)U want that? Another issue would probably be raised thereafter.
6)Why would I want to continue if I know it was 100% loss for me?
7)I applaud you for granting my request for reload(Showed that I wont just drop if I lost my hero). I forgotten that, and considering ALL factors, if u had brought it to my attention when we were discussing matters, I would have counted a loss in. You want it? I sincerestly do not mind, and also sincerestly believed that it was too early to tell a confirmed won/loss back then. Its really(underlined) not a case of 'you know it, I know it'.
8)I continue for just 1 reason, and only 1; I know it wasnt 100% loss for me; and wanted to continue only because of that. Didnt want all these... if I was just staying in castle n clickin end turn, I would have been bored n miserable too.
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woods
Adventuring Hero
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posted January 16, 2002 05:58 PM |
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Edited By: woods on 16 Jan 2002
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possible consequences
so what are ur consequences if suddenly hear 'i know it - u know it' from ur opp ?
- suicide (as h3-player) at once cause u cant stand that disgrace ?
- give up at once cause no matter what u are thinking ur opp must be right ?
- give up later cause it takes a while before understanding
what opp is meaning ?
- dont give up cause ur sight of the match is completely different ?
- win the match ?
but whatever u do pls note that
- u shouldnt play a.o. who decides match is over and u are loosing because he (and only he) has no more fun...
- and most important : never criticise an opp who's allowed u to reload. doesnt matter which is ur point of criticism he
might use that as an 'homicide arguement'- always better to kiss his feet ;-)
for me its quite simple : just play on (both sides) if the other players thinks he's still in the match.....
-woods
(last word for schaaf: i dont think its lack of sportsmanship but i think u'vent understood anything from moc's posting about reloading ;-) )
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Motorschaaf
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
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posted January 16, 2002 06:54 PM |
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@ castrated : looks like we both didnt enjoy the game and we had a big missunderstanding. i am sorry if it was my fault but i think we both were a bit pissed because we didnt enjoy the game .
it happens
@ woods : sorry im too lazy to think about the "hidden message" u wanna tell me this time.
Triviaschaaf
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nagas_knight
Tavern Dweller
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posted January 16, 2002 07:02 PM |
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I feel your pain
Just thought I'd add my 2 cents even though it won't be worth anything. And not trying to start a fight
I just recently started playing HOMMIII. While playing a couple of games on-line for fun, I played an oppenent a map which he knew and I did not (can't remember which one).
I had gotten all but his main castles so was victory Ithought was near. Only to find him in hi castle and not coming out.
I did not want to it here and wait for an hour to keep buying troops and then go back and fight him in his advantage of Castle wall sso aked him if he was coming out 3 times no responce finally just said he won waited for responce (which I didn't get one) and them left.
I belive that if it shows that ur about to lose then either suicide or surrender, but please (don't take this the wrong way) don't waste my time
Remember this game was for fun, and after I left he had the nerve to go back into Zone and start talking thathe just beat my @ss off the planet (if i'd waited long enough i'd have killed him)
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Moon
Adventuring Hero
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posted January 17, 2002 05:58 AM |
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Be happy he did end the turns self and not by timer. Some peps here have definatly to much time.
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Milena
Responsible
Supreme Hero
in supreme disgrace
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posted January 17, 2002 11:01 AM |
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I have done that thing in RL (hot seat)
Because the guy's fingers started shaking. On the other hand, he said "I have Tome of Earth, it's the end". So, it was a part of the second game, game of nerves, to see who wins. Of course, we were friends with the others 3 guys, known each other for 7 years now and we could afford it.
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wiggy_wam
Promising
Famous Hero
local pirate
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posted January 19, 2002 10:32 AM |
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as for good sportsmanship (IMO):
- nothing wrong with offering a draw
- nothing wrong with conceding
- never tell opponent to concede, or request it, but rather ask if he wishes to continue in his disadvantaged state.
- never complain about your BAD luck, until the game is over
- never say "I win!" just because opponent broke an agreed rule (like H/R)
it sounds like you have the advantage Schaaf. Want to send it to HC and see if they'll give you any credit (for win)?
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- wiggy ... who has a crush on Rob's models. Well ... the ones his age (18-26)
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Motorschaaf
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
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posted January 19, 2002 12:03 PM |
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it sounds like you have the advantage Schaaf. Want to send it to HC and see if they'll give you any credit (for win)?
wiggy please read the thread again . i bet u missed something
honor council = looking for cheaters (+ playing diablo2 )
thecastrated = honorable player ( with looooooong turns ) that will never get any trouble with hc
Motorschaaf
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wiggy_wam
Promising
Famous Hero
local pirate
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posted January 20, 2002 07:59 AM |
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If your oponent does not report the game within 24 hours, it is recommended to email them to report. If they do not reply, you can dispute it in several ways:
By emailing TOH disputes, with attached saved game showing your endgame or when the player dropped. If a game is unfinished you may only get partial credit
this was what i meant ...
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thecastrated
Famous Hero
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posted January 20, 2002 11:54 AM |
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??
Actually we in the game has agreed to a draw..matter's settled. Wiggy?
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