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bixie
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posted October 26, 2009 08:14 AM |
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removal of the local argument
should we, in our forums, remove the local argument?
what is the local argument? the local argument is when you say, to any statement "I know a large number of X and they don't Y on the Z day in the P" or "the people who I know do K and they are V"
the thing about the local argument is that it's objective, and can't be applied to a wide scale. so, should it be removed from our forum discussions?
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posted October 26, 2009 10:41 AM |
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Good luck on getting people to agree on anything around here  . Except maybe to get torches and pitchforks and hunt down a certain Moderator . That you could probably get them to agree on. Its a good suggestion, hope things go well for you with it.
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ohforfsake
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posted October 26, 2009 12:28 PM |
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The web wasn't very friendly (is it a private definition?), so if I understand you correct, the local argument is that you say, that others you know do something, therefore some are doing it?
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the thing about the local argument is that it's objective,
Isn't objectivity a good thing?
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and can't be applied to a wide scale.
Why can it not? Is it not more a question of statistics (that is, if I understood you correct), that in some cases, it can be used with good certification on a larger scale, and in others it can't.
I think I'm thinking about stuff like when you ask people what they're going to vote, and then from a relative small sample, make predictions of who'll win an election, etc.
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so, should it be removed from our forum discussions?
I think it would be easier, for me at least, to relate to, if you give some "real life" examples. 
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Doomforge
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posted October 26, 2009 12:59 PM |
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Well in general people differ so much that any sort of generalization (especially concerning behavior and what's "normal") is pointless - and it doesn't matter how big the test group is. Be it 100 or 1,000,000 people, you will get a full spectrum of responses, which will tell you nothing.
But, again, we have to relate to SOMETHING... -_-
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posted October 26, 2009 01:21 PM |
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Hmm
Just because you can predict what some people might say does not necessarily adjudicate silencing them. When I make a thread I always add to it "Spammers are Welcome" because I feel moderating is more dangerous than freedom of speech. When a person's comments are forcibly removed the intended direction of thread becomes in jeopardy. I would say that even for the comments containing vulgarity.
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ohforfsake
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posted October 26, 2009 01:36 PM |
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When a person's comments are forcibly removed the intended direction of thread becomes in jeopardy. I would say that even for the comments containing vulgarity.
I completely agree, I think silencing or moderating in others posts are never the right approach.
I believe the right approach depends on what you want.
If you're in a given thread to learn something, then the best way is to ignore those you believe to be spammers (or at least uses a form of argumentation you dislike), and respond to those you want more information form.
If you're in a given thread to teach others, then you might want to correct others, telling them it's inproper grammer, telling them to calm down, and telling them to write properly, etc.
And if you're in the VW you're there most likely for entertainment, so you'd probably be a spammer anyway.
But all in all, I think the greatest problem is that there're in general 2 groups, the people who wish to learn about the subject, and the people who wish to teach the people in the subject (eventhough it maybe is not about the subject in specific), by themselves, these groups cannot exist, because it'd either be a "no new information forum", or a "we want to know, but no one have anything interesting forum", but together, you often end up with very clouded threads.
So I don't think the type of arguments are the problem, I think what is needed is the possibility to take threads in different direction (i.e. threads aren't linear), without clouding the threads, so some sort of link system, or something like that.
Then those who do not respect the link system, will of course still cloud the thread, and all in all it's up to the people who post, if they want to keep it interesting, or if they decide to ignore the possibilities, and "ruin" the thread, for those who haven't got the patience to look through the clouds of responses.
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