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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted November 27, 2009 04:01 AM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 04:58, 27 Nov 2009.
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Also, if Jinxer would be kind enough to pick up the maps from the HC board and update versions, that would be totally cool!
I am the maps page updater..( and now the tourny page updater  ) and will update the maps no problem.. but I should not have to go hunting for them.
Here is my e-mail Jinxer@adelphia.net
Just mail me the updates and maps and I will quickly update them on
maps page.
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Perhaps, he could be the arbiter for Strider - FireDragon final, and assign yellow & red cards for them if they don't show up @ set times, so the Caesar problem could be over.
I would volunteer to be the Arbitor if BOTH Stider and Fire agreed.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted November 27, 2009 07:57 AM |
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Aww come on, give in to your inner fascist 
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted November 27, 2009 08:10 AM |
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LordMichal, I don't think if moderator spend much from his time this will up activity. Ves have his RL too and he give "enough" for heroes community. Actually here a lot tournaments arranged for maps or arena (never-mind last don't have any with heroes games). If ppl want to up toh activity they can just bring there more from his friends.
About ToH point system. Sure its not perfect or ever close to it. Main problem is there not "range defense penalty" like some other on-line games. Its mean when low rang play vs high rank both cant won/loss much points. This will make ppl to play with opponents with his "range". In same time if high rank play vs new player he wont loss much points so he wont refuse game every time. Now is silly to accept game vs opponent over 300-350 range points because from won you cant won points but from loss you will loss much. Why to waste your time for game and risk to loss when cant gain?
About your idea for new point system. Its complete bad. Current system is better because its give result from all season play. If you gain points from tournament this will make wish for won so high and ppl will start try cheat just to get won and few points more.
I'm full support Infinitus/samiekl about rules. I don't see why some one need to force me to play with much rules if i don't want. In heroes both need to can choice his race/hero and give his best. If you can won game like it feel is a lot better from won game all random where opponent get bad setup from begin. I'm not say "all random is bad" too. This can provide extra fun/challenge when both ppl know each other well and map too.
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1.Jinxer
2.Strider
3.Game rules
4.Caesar's still going
1. I don't think Jinxer is bad but sure i cant agree with almost any his post and look like most ppl from ToH cant. He love to cry for all and this piss off other ppl.
2. Strider, well i can talk a lot for him but in short = i don't respect to him.
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4. Caesar's. Well i'm very grateful to Strider for ruin it. When my clan wanted from Ves to get fair decision for last season and drop with half all prizes or just drop it for all he made BAD decision for remove clan prizes only and keep for Grandmaster and Ceasar. For us (my clan mates and few other rl friend) was clear from long time what is real Strider face and for this we was so mad. Its not good to remove prizes for ppl who did a lot more games and support ToH and give to some one who did noting for ToH and just piss all ppl. Now my clan= 3 from most active ppl in toh complete not play, Caesar's is most pathetic tournament in any on-line game what i ever see.
About maps. I can say Fiur and Insatiable do very good design and interest game play maps. Most from maps are different each from other. Hourglas is old map so he don't look like new maps but he provide incredible deep strategy for play and here don't have game abuse tactics.
I'm not recommend any map from Zilo. He know how to create very good looking maps and interest too but all his maps is "back dor" maps. Here every time all creatures are set and you need deep home work before start play them or you don't have any chances vs opponent with few games already. Never ever play Zilo map vs Strider. He is Tester on Zilo maps and after this he play (Blind) vs other ppl to can get easy points.
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted November 27, 2009 08:37 AM |
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1. I don't think Jinxer is bad but sure i cant agree with almost any his post and look like most ppl from ToH cant.
"Most people from TOH?" Dont you really mean, a handful of people from message board?
This post was started with the intent to try and improve activity and for betterment of TOH... and ELIT can find nothing positive to offer, but instead comes out of retirement to stir up trouble.
Maybe you could try and stay on topic and if possible if your gonna post.. try to offer something of value to the Community.
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted November 27, 2009 09:07 AM |
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1. I don't think Jinxer is bad but sure i cant agree with almost any his post and look like most ppl from ToH cant.
"Most people from TOH?" Dont you really mean, a handful of people from message board?
This post was started with the intent to try and improve activity and for betterment of TOH... and ELIT can find nothing positive to offer, but instead comes out of retirement to stir up trouble.
Maybe you could try and stay on topic and if possible if your gonna post.. try to offer something of value to the Community.
I'm share my view for current "problems" in ToH. If you cant see/find why ToH is not doing well you cant find solution for improve it.
I'm suggest you for begin to finish your game with me. I'm wait you already over 8 weeks when we need 1-2h maybe for finish it.
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted November 27, 2009 09:36 AM |
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Main problem is there not "range defense penalty" like some other on-line games. Its mean when low rang play vs high rank both cant won/loss much points.
Agree completely with Elit, add to TOH "range defense penalty" will be very nice ...
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Current system is better because its give result from all season play. If you gain points from tournament this will make wish for won so high and ppl will start try cheat just to get won and few points more.
I like current system more too. Tournaments force players to play opponents they may not like or are with them completely incompatible like Strider and Firedragon is ... Tournaments force players to play on map/rules/setup they may not like. This facts may leads to decreasing activity, not increasing. Look at current tournaments - Caesar is complete disaster, TW tons of suicides, have no proper ending, disaster too... In my opinion if Zilo care about his creation (TW), he must find little time and finish his tournament before retirement, to quit final game of tournament like this no good at all.
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Yes rules again... When I came I didnīt play with any rules. But I started use them for simple thing - almost everybody wants them
I have temptations too to add just one little rule, maybe one more... But after first two rules other 10 coming next, process never stop once started - mods, rules, moded maps etc ... This all leads to play completely different game, but i like Heroes 5, so i better loose one game from 100 because of DV or Wyngaal, or instant travel, or ring+staff combo ...
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted November 27, 2009 04:03 PM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 16:06, 27 Nov 2009.
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I'm suggest you for begin to finish your game with me. I'm wait you already over 8 weeks when we need 1-2h maybe for finish it.
Ha Ha.. it is you that is INACTIVE.. not I. I am online virtually every day. The verison of AOW we was playing is the version that has the endles circle flaw in it... where a person can just go in circles and prolong the game. And that is what you was doing. You would head to my area.. so I would TP home to meet you and fight and you would TP home.. so I start heading for you to finish game... and you come opposite direction and get all way to my area faster then I could get to yours..( I assume you must have boots) and then I TP home again so we can finally meet and fight.. and what do you do.. you TP home again! You have already drug that game out way way longer then it should, by abusing the endless circle flaw..
I much rather spend my time playing with people who actually want to finish the game. But ofcourse I know why your so excited to finish now, you have drug game out long enough now that you can afford some pretty good mini arts for your acadamy team.
Anyways, for the record, I am not avoiding you.. I see you sitting on line all the time, and rarely do you ask me for game.. and when you do.. its when it is middle of my night or when I am at work. And I am sure you can agree I also just asked you if you wanted to continue and finish the game just the other night... and you did not reply so I went to bed.
I am sure we will get save finished sometime.
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Clay_Man
Known Hero
TOH gamer
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posted November 27, 2009 04:26 PM |
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I like current system more too. Tournaments force players to play opponents they may not like or are with them completely incompatible like Strider and Firedragon is ... Tournaments force players to play on map/rules/setup they may not like. This facts may leads to decreasing activity, not increasing.
Infinitus, for your information, nobody forces you to join a tourney. If you don't like the map/rules/whatever don't join. It's that simple. No tourney decreases activity, in fact it's the opposite.
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Look at current tournaments - Caesar is complete disaster, TW tons of suicides, have no proper ending, disaster too...
The "disaster" is when someone like you who has contributed exactly 0 to any of these tournaments or community start whining and b.*ing about others who had at least made some effin' effort to runa few TOH tournaments.
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In my opinion if Zilo care about his creation (TW), he must find little time and finish his tournament before retirement, to quit final game of tournament like this no good at all.
IIRC, Zilo got a scholarship or sthg. But I can understand if some of you have hard time understanding that some folks here have real life too...
And again you talk about things in which you have zero business.
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted November 27, 2009 04:50 PM |
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Cheers Clayman
On that note, back on topic:
In case you didnt see it in the GrandMaster of Genesis thread.. I quickly listened to my fellow TOH players and created a tournament page on TOH site. ( Even did it on ThanksGiving ) and if all goes well and everyone will support and use the new tourny pages I create, then we can start posting all future tournies there as well.
Here is the link:
http://www.toheroes.com/tourn/tourn.html
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted November 27, 2009 04:57 PM |
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I am not gonna argue with you... you clearly kept running away so you could prolong game and save up to build mega mini arts.. so dont try and paint a different picture then what it really is. You was 1/2 a days travel from my town and you TP home. AFTER that I came to you to attack you TWICE.. and both times you ran opposite direction to my town and forced me to TP home to attack you before you got my town.. and after you seen me TP home you TP home lol..
Anyways.. As I said.. pointless to argue. Ofcourse when we are both free we can finish. I assume you are done running in circles now so shouldnt take long to meet and fight.
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted November 27, 2009 05:01 PM |
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And again you talk about things in which you have zero business.
I talk then i want to talk, do i need permission from you ?
This is the reality, unfinished TW tourney is a failure... Do you want to say it was big success ?
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pei
Famous Hero
Fresh Air.
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posted November 27, 2009 05:46 PM |
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Oh...get a room you people!
Why dont u make a poll Jinxer?
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LordMichal
Known Hero
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posted November 27, 2009 10:53 PM |
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Back on topic guys. I will try answer on everything what you wrote here.
Great job on maps and tourneys Jinx, Letīs keep this your activity. And be that arbiter, why need you agree from them. You are admin, so you are arbiter. Letīs decide it!
Hello Elit, I hoped that you will join us, you are very clever Imo. But here I disagree with you. Almost everything is made by admin. He is the one who can help mainly to increase the ACTIVITY and number of players too, but activity mainly. Players can help with number of players. He is the one who can think up some new things for league(it is his byznys) - there great ideas in future tournaments for example. Players can help, can bring some advices and ideas. And again if there will be two, much better - each of them has opposition.
Next you wrote a lot about points.. I donīt think this the main, but it need change, sure, everybody knows that, but... And you donīt understand our system in our league I think. With this sentences - "Current system is better because its give result from all season play. If you gain points from tournament this will make wish for won so high and ppl will start try cheat just to get won and few points more." - you were kidding right? I donīt think that there are cheating players and not because its or isnīt tournament. Its about people. Who will like the victory if he knows that he cheated all the time?! I even donīt know if cheats exist on Heroes.
And finally back to Infi. Man you donīt know about you talking here. If there will be good and active director - incompatible player isnīt problem for you -> you go to next round. And I think there is not so many guys as Strider is. As I wrote tournaments are motivation and motivation increase activity, lol. And if you donīt like it, you can play normal games why not,np. But for me the BEST player of TOH, of Heroes here and everywhere else, should know playing everything. Be complex player - know Heroes. Be good at Arena, RMG, Fix... Iīm not talking about be the best at all of this, impossible.
With my last sentence is here my next revolution idea. These medals - footman, lord... are great things. But why here isnīt one table? If there isnīt so many players, its not impossible. And I thing better. You can see all the players ,,in one click" . Sure medals stay, again great thing. And here is the revolution idea - make the table on parts. For example we will play arena or duel here too, also clans there will can be(again it will increase the activity - its great thing, interesting for people). So you will have for example hmm 3 parts. Multi, Duel and Arena, Clans. Three single tables. And one main table which contain points from all these tables. So if there will be great duelist - ok he will click on duel table and he will be the First. Great thing. And again increase the activity. But in main, in general table he will be 7th for example, because he doesnīt play anything else. First will be player, who know Heroes most, because he is able to win on map, know arena and duel good for example. After that I can say - ye this is the best man, the best Heroesplayer. But be careful about points in this option - duels and arena are quicker. But there will be simple solution, if will be someone interesting and supporting this idea I will say him the key for this option(I mean about points)
At the end I will say you my start here. When I first saw this page, I were very happy, that something like this exists and I immediately signed up. And I really hurry for play three games. Why? Because I wanted to play tournaments which looked pretty good! Thats the view as I saw it. Also clans - I tried to persuade two guys in our league to start here and play in clans! It was very interesting for us! But something is wrong here - as I wrote before...
Please read properly and really think about it. ,,with clear brain"
And sorry for my english, its horrible to read my words and sentences right?
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted November 28, 2009 10:30 AM |
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And you donīt understand our system in our league I think.
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And finally back to Infi. Man you donīt know about you talking here.
Y, Elit don't understand, i don't know about i talking... Thanks and gl with your revolution ....
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But for me the BEST player of TOH, of Heroes here and everywhere else, should know playing everything. Be complex player - know Heroes. Be good at Arena, RMG, Fix...
Add please to this list to be good at Disciples 2, Heroes 3 and 4, Kings Quest, Russian custom rmg with TE mod and rules from Russian league, also CHN Vimp version of Genesis played in China...
In current system player can play what he like with people he like and still general ranking is working ... For example - I play only rmg, i play game with Camoes and loose to him. Another day he play game with Jinxer and loose to him. My points indirectly go to Jinxer. This way i don't have to play Jinxer to be in the same ranking system with him. This is very good for both of us
Can you explain please, if tournaments are so good compared to main ranking system, why all old TOH tournaments are dead, Caesar dead, TW tournament unfinished ? Current ranking system at least is alive ... System need changes but not this crap changes you propose
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LordMichal
Known Hero
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posted November 28, 2009 01:27 PM |
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I tried to change it, you all do nothing for it. You all are so afraid of some changes. Itīs great ideas and it works. Pity that you think that and nobody else say nothing to it...
I will finish tourneys where Iīm log on - Duel and AoW. Maybe Genesis too, but donīt know. And bye. And you can still play only random maps and say I won TOH, whatever... If you win this, because you have more time and can play every day, itīs bad system. You can say what you want, but itīs true. Iīm not saying that you arenīt great player, everybody knows that.
Cya guys
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted November 28, 2009 01:29 PM |
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Infinitus? Change? Does not compute.
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Towerlord
Promising
Supreme Hero
Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
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posted November 28, 2009 02:18 PM |
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Infinitus, certainly you know that there were plently of successful tournaments also, like 3 Arenas, ongoing AoW, first Clans and so on.. and those tournaments attracted a lot more activity than ToH current system does, and there were plenty of games played in a shorter amount of time than the usual. Also the Twilight that you mention as a failure, if you look at it closely, you'll see some players did a lot more games while it was running than they currently do.
Elit for instance, played about 5 games, and now he hasn't finished one with Jinxer for two months. Tournaments are like spice on food, and bring more fun to the table, but it is okei if you want to stick to your own way.
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SKPRIMUS
Promising
Supreme Hero
The One and the Prime
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posted November 28, 2009 02:19 PM |
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@LordMichal, your thread & posts have much merit as it is obvious to many that things right now are not the best & may be in degeneration...
1. Gaming for fun should have much greater emphasis than gaming for wins/points
There seems not much emphasis on this...it's very sad when priority for win >>> priority for fun
& things unfortunately start from some top-ranked players (but not all!) which turn players away for sure...c'mon who cares if one loses a game? it's for enjoyment right? (but I suppose some can't enjoy a game against another person unless they win)
2. Same arguments all the time from same players over opinions...
c'mon we all know everyone has different thoughts/opinions so if another wants to play one way, no need to deride/argue with them for that..is there? [who wants everyone to think same way  ?]
3. Analogy of being hard to change direction of a big ship with a small rudder comes to mind
you are battling a bit of history & inertia too, it's also easier to criticise something than to come up with something... but small things can lead to eventual change, requires persistence & help tho
[the change I mean would really mean improving the overall environment based on fun/enjoyment/friendly atmosphere rather than win at all costs...]
But from an external viewpoint: just wanted to say: yeah good initiative & good luck in stimulating overall environment... I know Elvin has tried well thru duel map
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted November 29, 2009 09:57 AM |
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With this option of getting points you can say - here is the best player under the Sun now. Now I canīt. Question why? Because there too much depend on how many games you played. You sure understand the point;-) But Iīm not saying that Natalka or Infinitus arenīt great playes in any case - sure they must be very good and won a lot of games. Sure they are better than me.
Sure you don't have any reason to say Natalka or me don't deserve emperor status. Take a look to your statistic Natalka vs you 4 wins, 2 looses... About me - you get your chance to stop me from climbing to emperor status. We started game on rmg2m, in one or two turns you said rmg is not good for you. You can't say i avoiding you or somthing ...
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If you win this, because you have more time and can play every day, itīs bad system.
Sure, system need changes, but is not so bad as you think. For example - last season n1 in ranking was Strider. Strider have played for TOH 67 games. You played for TOH 60 games. If you are as good as Strider in 7 games you can be emperor. Now about me - i climbed to emperor status this season twice, i sure you can find time to climb to emperor at list one time if you are good. Second time i got the emperor status after 10-20 games wins in row vs lords status players.
So if you good you can make it fast too - play 10 games vs lords as Willgefors or DrOwnage and beat them 10-0. Doing this you will have ~ 1800+ points. After this play me or Natalka 5 games, all 5 wins. And here you are - n1. See, it's easy But you don't need to be so fast, you can loose some games, you have plenty of time... I don't have games for TOH for long, long time... So gl@hf in you climbing.
Now about balance on 2m, by doing my win strike vs lords status players i proved 2m have good balance. Impossible to win 10+ games in row vs good players if map don't have balance. In this games my opponents used Wyngaal, Havez, Vengece spell, staff+ring combo, Haggash, have 3 native town vs only one for me, etc, still is 10+ games in my pocket ... So stop talking crap people. You think some aspect of game is imbalanced, come to 2m, use vs me all this imba things. I will try to prove in practice were balance is ...
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LordMichal
Known Hero
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posted November 29, 2009 01:05 PM |
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No comment Infi, I ended here and in TOH. This thread showed me everything. If you think that this system is good than gl Iīm not so good for emperor, I never said that. And about our game on rmd - I was almost newbie and you took Victorio. I said ok, now I know that he is very powerful, specially on rmd. So **** **.
Cya
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