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chn-vimp
Hired Hero
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posted April 01, 2010 10:42 AM |
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Edited by chn-vimp at 11:22, 01 Apr 2010.
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Poll Question:
JINXEr and Firedragon come in
firedragon and JINXER, would you please to finish our game？firedragon, you had refused to continue four of our saves with kinds of damn reasons.let me make it clear：the one I´v got dwarf king set on genisis,and Haggash vs sylvia on RR. In the last game, my necroplis had defeated your main hero on mindmaster and managed to get all the relics in the middle area.Your hero fled in the final battle, and you are still telling me that you want to continue this game？would you please tell my how could you do it？you refused to finish the saves since last two months with kinds of stupid reasons,like a snow.I feel pity that one who like you can be the king in TOH.
and JINXER, you are not on MSN all the time, U is busy always???but I can see you in game and hamachi.I have tries to contact you no less than 10 times,but never heard of you reply.doesnt the Americans value the credit any longer？ We have processed to the final battle of the game but why you refused to contact with me？you´d better to have good reasons for all of this,because I dont want to leave the saves in my computer for about a whole year, like poor Elit.So please finish our game as soon as you can.
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baklava
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Mostly harmless
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posted April 01, 2010 11:27 AM |
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"Let me tell you what the blues
is. When you ain't got no
money,
you got the blues."
Howlin Wolf
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perathekojot
Known Hero
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posted April 01, 2010 02:23 PM |
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That's our Caesar  If it will make you feel better, you are not the only one he has unfinished, practically lost games. Otherwise he wouldn't made it emperor in time or probably ever. Don't expect them finished, nobody else managed.
That's really the sadeset thing in TOH, its' system give advantage to dishonourable players and those who prefer one map, one race and such. Generally to make it to TOH top players all you need is to play a lot, exploit the system to your best, play dirty,... Look at the first season two finalists. If one would ask me which question could I answer more accurate: who is better player or who is dirtiest and sleaziest player, I would honestly say I don't know. And look at our emperors now. Same thing all over again. And I really don't understand Ves insisting on how system is working ok, and has worked ok for years. Maybe it did before, but now, due partially to game flows, it does not. And to think there is actually very simple way, to fix it. Basically using honour rating as coefficient with which you multiply overall points. For example: you have emperor with 2000 points and 60% honour, 0.6x2000=1200 points that's how much it really worth. So, you wont to play dirty, no problem, go earn 3200 points and become a contender to a title. It would make them much better players, more honourable players, who know, maybe even better persons. But, it is TOH and Tohers, who would benefit mostly out of it. Sure it's to late for Heroes V, but not for Heroes VI.
All in all, I am really surprised how such a great game can be so screwed up by just couple of those lowlifes.
Yeah that's real life  When it should be just a game and loads of fun.
ps. I am not sure about Jinxer, didn't get above mentioned impression from him. Although I only played him once. So, time will tell, I guess.
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DrOwnage
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 01, 2010 03:56 PM |
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And look at our emperors now. Same thing all over again.
Couple of times i thought along similar lines, that two of the emperors are, umh, "special" (I want to be diplomatic).
Fire might be strange because of his lack of control of english language but he's okay. I had a save with him where i routed his main after that we saved and didnt continue for 6 months because he didnt play at all for a long time. Both of us lost the save and i talked to him couple times that the game was over. Eventually he gave in and gave me the win which i consider honorable because i lost the save too and he wasnt obliged to give me the win because the game wasnt exactly over. Next 15 games he acted honorable.
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted April 01, 2010 08:57 PM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 21:09, 01 Apr 2010.
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In my game with CHN-Vimp.. we were discussing rules and I said. NO mentoring. He said he had to have mentoring. I said, not really negotiable for me... but after he kept insisting that he was not able to play without it. SO I told him, I would allow mentoring on the condition that NO mentored heroes could attack my main. Basicaly if he wanted to use the mentored heroes to help to clear his area, then fine. SO game goes on just fine.. until he comes running at me with Rutger as his Main with these KILLER attack Defense stats..
The Problem is.... His main town is Acadamy! Clearly be broke the rules..
Now I have talked to him and explained my problem, and I am willing to accept that we had language barrier problems and he misunderstood me.. and I misunderstood him. But when I was trying to talk diplomatically with him, he starting calling me a dumb American Chap what ever that is and then wouldnt respond.
With my Kids and Career.. my playing time is precious and rare.. so cannot afford to waste my time on players that dont wanna respect me or my time. This is and always has been a tournament of HONOR and if your not gonna play Honorably then I wont play you... simple.
** CHN-Vimp always played Honorably in the past so thats why I am gonna just chalk this game up to bad misunderstanding.
So that is my story. 
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valkyrica
Supreme Hero
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posted April 01, 2010 09:22 PM |
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In my game with CHN-Vimp.. we were discussing rules and I said. NO mentoring. He said he had to have mentoring. I said, not really negotiable for me... but after he kept insisting that he was not able to play without it. SO I told him, I would allow mentoring on the condition that NO mentored heroes could attack my main. Basicaly if he wanted to use the mentored heroes to help to clear his area, then fine. SO game goes on just fine.. until he comes running at me with Rutger as his Main with these KILLER attack Defense stats..
The Problem is.... His main town is Acadamy! Clearly be broke the rules..
Now I have talked to him and explained my problem, and I am willing to accept that we had language barrier problems and he misunderstood me.. and I misunderstood him. But when I was trying to talk diplomatically with him, he starting calling me a dumb American Chap what ever that is and then wouldnt respond.
With my Kids and Career.. my playing time is precious and rare.. so cannot afford to waste my time on players that dont wanna respect me or my time. This is and always has been a tournament of HONOR and if your not gonna play Honorably then I wont play you... simple.
** CHN-Vimp always played Honorably in the past so thats why I am gonna just chalk this game up to bad misunderstanding.
So that is my story.
Who says you have to play with native heroes?
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I'm Guybrush Threepwood, mighty pirate
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted April 01, 2010 09:32 PM |
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If Jinxer have set rule for no mentored game with CHN-Vimp he have right to void game, if there not set rule he need to continue it.
I don't want to join in flame but its right moment to say it: CHN-Vimp, Firedragon are both good players but both manage to make me every game mad with way they play. Same time in all other games with other ppl 2-3 total i had a bit bad feeling but none make me mad every game like them.
I'm not count there Strider...
perathekojot: Main problem on system is here not rule for protection gains/loss when 2 players not in range play. You cant blame other ppl for play 2-3 maps only. All do it. So far from season 2 i have only 1-2 games on HG and its with kispagat. All season 2 i ask opponent for map/rules and play with it...but for this i have much more loses now.
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted April 01, 2010 09:36 PM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 21:40, 01 Apr 2010.
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Who says you have to play with native heroes?
Sure he can play NON native hero if he wants no problem... the problem was he used Mentoring to level that non native hero up fast. He did not use him from day 1 to fight as Main.
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted April 01, 2010 09:51 PM |
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Who says you have to play with native heroes?
He can play NON native hero if he wants no problem... the problem was he used Mentoring to level that heroes up fast. He did not use him from day 1 to fight as Main.
He used mentored heroes in all his games with me. Last game we set clear rule he cant use mentor hero to come and attack me. WE had game on Master Mind. He come with his main hero and block path with mentored hero lvl 22-25 and almost not army in. Because i didn't want to loss with main hero moral bonuses i attack it with secondary hero lvl 3-4 and 2 angels+some trash units. When battle start i told him: just run and lets fight final battle, but he decline and start real fight. He almost wont battle with no army vs 2 angels because have hero 25. His excuse was: I didn't attack you, you attacked me. For me this is extremely lame way for "play with rules" but he did it. So in my personal "hall of shame list" Vip and firedragon are after Strider.
Only good side on Firedragon is he is really addicted and serious to h5.
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chn-vimp
Hired Hero
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posted April 02, 2010 03:26 AM |
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Edited by chn-vimp at 03:47, 02 Apr 2010.
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jinxer our game rule is no mentor Kamikaze IT is clear .but i said can mentor the mian hero before the game extraordinary.and u agree.
i am not break the rule ~ and we no talk about no native as main.
i am angry FOR u'time is costliness~~~~~~~u haven't 1 mins free time reply on msn?? so my time is insignificance~~~? so this is damn American Chap doing.if u wouldn't continue the game why not tell me at once .why u said keep the game and continue later at that moment.
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chn-vimp
Hired Hero
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posted April 02, 2010 03:35 AM |
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Edited by chn-vimp at 04:35, 02 Apr 2010.
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ELIT i am apoloqize for that .But i don;t try to change it.bacsuase it different game's attitude .
u said:Because i didn't want to loss with main hero moral bonuses i attack it with secondary hero lvl 3-4 and 2 angels+some trash units.
becuase bonused ,whatever i mentor or no mentored hero i would attacked u main hero with my second hero .if u main hero attck me i would run form the battle`no any move! but u same use urs sccondary hero.so i fight~ The rule must be beneficial to attacker so game will become excite a nerve and fun.if not .everyboby will wait for others player at the home. just for keep the moral and luck (may 10%HP)bonuses.game will long and dull.This is my game's POINT.
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted April 02, 2010 04:33 AM |
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jinxer our game rule is no mentor Kamikaze IT is clear .but i said can mentor the mian hero before the game extraordinary.and u agree.
i am not break the rule ~ and we no talk about no native as main.
i am angry FOR u'time is costliness~~~~~~~u haven't 1 mins free time reply on msn?? so my time is insignificance~~~? so this is damn American Chap doing.if u wouldn't continue the game why not tell me at once .why u said keep the game and continue later at that moment.
And again, its apparent that we BOTH misunderstood each other. Its over. Time to move on.. Peace!
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted April 02, 2010 09:22 AM |
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ELIT i am apoloqize for that .But i don;t try to change it.bacsuase it different game's attitude .
u said:Because i didn't want to loss with main hero moral bonuses i attack it with secondary hero lvl 3-4 and 2 angels+some trash units.
becuase bonused ,whatever i mentor or no mentored hero i would attacked u main hero with my second hero .if u main hero attck me i would run form the battle`no any move! but u same use urs sccondary hero.so i fight~ The rule must be beneficial to attacker so game will become excite a nerve and fun.if not .everyboby will wait for others player at the home. just for keep the moral and luck (may 10%HP)bonuses.game will long and dull.This is my game's POINT.
You set your hero to block path, so my main hero need to attack him. Its strategy move i don't have any against it. I had prepared "hidden hero" for counter it with few times stronger army from your. Its strategy move too. If your hero was normal level here wont be battle and you will run from it because you cant kill any units but when its lvl 25 vs lvl 3-5 its totally different. You are good enough to know it.
Do you think its fair game if you use mentored hero to force me attack it with my main hero because no mentored heroes with much stronger army almost cant kill him? Its simple not right and fair. You are good enough and don't need it for won fair game...for this i'm pissed.
Week 1 game drop after i alredy gave turn and my main hero up Logistic. After we load game not offered him it again. How you can refuse load again and say its "bad luck". How your bad ISP can be my bad luck and i need to suffer? Geting log week 1 on MasterMind is critical skill and can win/loss game.
You have long way to go to learn to be honourable player. Being good is noting if you act like this just to can won.
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chn-vimp
Hired Hero
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posted April 02, 2010 09:49 AM |
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You have long way to go to learn to be honourable player. Being good is noting if you act like this just to can won.
thank~~~~~~~ i am honourable or not the toh will tell u~. and u can ask someboby whose played with me.now i had decide not play H5 GAME for toh any more. just play game for free and for fun .loss is loss .don't need censure the opponent dishonourable.
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted April 02, 2010 10:12 AM |
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You have long way to go to learn to be honourable player. Being good is noting if you act like this just to can won.
thank~~~~~~~ i am honourable or not the toh will tell u~. and u can ask someboby whose played with me.now i had decide not play H5 GAME for toh any more. just play game for free and for fun .loss is loss .don't need censure the opponent dishonourable.
Your topic say you play for ToH 
Don't get my comment so bad, better try to learn from it. Loss/win have noting about getting fun from good game. I have so many loss from SQ79, few games in row i loss on TW vs DrOwnage,Fraudatio,Zilo, but no 1 from them make me feel mad or bad. Its was good fair games. I had 3 games with: the Teacher, 2 from them was very fun and he is very evil 
Here is many good players around.
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chn-vimp
Hired Hero
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posted April 02, 2010 12:16 PM |
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same I have so many win or loss with vex, kaspargat willgerofors ect.even suicded often need to reported loss for kontor,LOK 1978,and NATALKA etc.
theY R good players.i fell the fun and excit.many toh player is fun and gentility.i decide not play for ponit i think the game will became more fun and more joy.
noboby tell me i made them feel mad or bad. ONLY U!!!! IS IT NOT good fair games.???to others only u tell me game is no fair and no any fun !why u played with me 6 times?mostly game is asked by u~LOL now U jump out for here impugn my honour.HOW can u do? for what? i feel be bit by something 
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natalka
Supreme Hero
Bad-mannered
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posted April 02, 2010 12:21 PM |
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I don`t know why you argue with chn-vimp. It is his style of play and I like it
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted April 02, 2010 12:30 PM |
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game rule is no mentor Kamikaze IT is clear .but i said can mentor the mian hero before the game extraordinary.and u agree.
If that is true Jinxer should not only offer to finish the game but also apologize for leaving when he said to keep save and continue later. That's not exactly the honour he's been stuffing us about, honour is treating the opponent with respect rather than playing by the rules.
And you vimp, you aren't exactly the most honourable person either. Incidents like the one with Elit or mine - when you prolonged the game for like 2 hours instead of meeting me head on when you already had the advantage - show you have a lawyer mentality. Is it within your rights? By all means. But they totally overlook the spirit of the game and only annoy the opponent. And I think that is what they are trying to tell you here.
But don't worry, Jinxer often gets into arguments. He's a good guy otherwise if a bit too proud for his own good.
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natalka
Supreme Hero
Bad-mannered
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posted April 02, 2010 12:42 PM |
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As I said it is his style of play - after all he is the best in china league. We should respect him and be happy that he plays for TOH not make him leave it
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted April 02, 2010 12:45 PM |
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That I can accept, I'm just clarifying how most people feel here.
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