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Hero_Of_Light
Hero_Of_Light


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posted August 08, 2010 06:01 PM bonus applied by angelito on 16 Aug 2010.
Edited by Hero_Of_Light at 19:01, 10 Oct 2010.

HEROES III or is it IV??? (aka Hero of LightĘs mod 2.0)



First of all sorry for the Double post but there is so much to share

Secondly, a while ago I released Hero of Light mod v1.1 but this has so many changes that I thought I should name it 2.0 so that the next will be 2.1 (and maybe continue with a 1.2 for the previous mod).
When Heroes IV was released (although I was completely in love with Heroes III) I gave it a try. It was quite a disappointment... The only new notion that I liked was the fact that you could choose the creatures you recruit from a town...But that had its disadvantages, because what if you conquered a town and the A.I. player chose all the buildings you didnĘt? It would be a shame...
Then came WOG and I learned how to edit Heroes III. I found some great creature defs (and made some myself) and then I had so many new creatures. But then a new problem occurred. All those creatures wouldnĘt be used that much. And that was a shame too.

And then it hit me! How about using one of Heroes IV greatest ideas on Heroes III? Meaning, what if you could choose the creatures you can recruit from the towns (and I mean really choose)? And so I give you the result...


http://www.4shared.com/file/wPNgfvnm/Hero_of_Light_v21.html

-> Each town has more creatures to choose from. 2 - 4 new recruitable creatures in each town.
->It has more than 30 changed creatures (some of the Defs are made from others so the credits are theirs too)
-> Most Heroes specialties changed (some of them have changed portraits and even combat and map DEFs changed).
-> Most creatures have been rebalanced
-> Most of the Wog options work (except maybe commanders and Stack experience)  with  this mod so that you shouldnĘt have to give up most of your favorite options. My suggestion is to load the options I have checked, which I know that work (it will replace the WoGSetupEx.dat in the Data folder) and from there make some changes and see how it goes.

Extract all files in your Heroes folder, replace where needed and then run the Wog update (needs Wog3.58f) and when the update is finished you will be ready! There is also a Tutorial map included (should be the very last one in the map selection screen) so that you can see all the new things this mod has to offer.
There will be an update (eventually) and If you have any questions, suggestions or anything else post them in this thread.
Hope you enjoy, I await your comments.

There is an update on the script I used here:

http://www.4shared.com/file/SeMBbBaR/Hero_of_Light_script_Update.html

Extract in Heroes Complete folder too, and replace where asked.

In the next post follows a detailed  presentation of how this mod works.

There is a NEW UPDATE HERE


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Hero_Of_Light
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posted August 08, 2010 06:04 PM
Edited by Hero_Of_Light at 13:19, 12 Aug 2010.

Take Castle for example. Here is the new lineup.

1) Pikemen -> Halberdier
2) Archers -> Marksmen
3) Griffins -> Royal Griffins  OR  Musketeers
4) Swordsmen -> Crusaders  OR Priestesses
5) Monks -> Zealots  OR  Paladins
6) Cavalier -> Champions
7) Angel  -> Archangel

This is how it works. When you build Griffin Tower you can recruit griffins as usual. Now, when you upgrade the building you can either: Hire griffins and then upgrade them to Royal griffins (in town screen) OR Hire Musketeers. Mind you that Musketeers are NOT an upgrade of Griffins which means that if you hire griffins but wanted Musketeers, you canĘt have them any more. The only setback on this is that you have to be careful because once you chose to recruit a creature, you canĘt recruit the other (both their numbers are decreased). When a week passes you may choose again (Griffins and Musketeers growth will be 17 again) and so on.  





Same goes with barracks. When you build it you can hire swordsmen. When you build the upgrade you can upgrade your swordsmen or hire Priestesses. The great advantage of this is that you can CHOOSE the townĘs creatures abilities. For instance priestesses are shooters and crusaders are not. If your main hero is Orrin for instance (specialty Archery) you might wanna choose the Priestesses and Zealots (instead of Paladins which do not shoot) and so have three shooters in your army. If you had Crag Hack (specialty Offense) you might wanna keep the Paladins (for the double strike) and Crusaders as well (leaving you with only the marksmen as shooters in your army and having two creatures with double strike) and thus having a more hand to hand army.
Same goes for all towns, and so the choices are various  and many. You may notice that I didnĘt make every one of the creatures interchangeable because a) it would take like 300 different creatures with all the upgrades and such (only a handful of creatures were left when I was done) and b) some creatures just canĘt be replaced (I mean you can, but you WOULDNĘT). I kept all the first and second level creatures not interchangeable because all Heroes start with those creatures in the army. And some others that were too powerful I didnĘt make them interchangeable as well (Who would choose any other level 7 creature than Archangels? None.)

Rampart lineup is as follows:

1) Pixies-> Sprites
2) Dryad -> Nymph
3) Elves-> Grand Elves
4) Pegasi -> Silver Pegasi  OR Satyrs
5) Dendroid Guards-> Dendroid Soldiers
6) Unicorn -> War Unicorn
7) Green Dragon  -> Gold Dragon OR Firebirds -> Phoenix
8) Fountain of Fortune will gather Leprechauns each week.



Originally a Halfling mod idea (great fan), but I kinda changed it as in Halfling mod the creature bonus (Rocs) was too powerful and  removed when you built the Fountain of Fortune. Since this building is very expensive (and most players wouldnĘt even bother to built it) I think this gives it a new perspective. And anyway, Leprechauns should gather at a Fountain of Fortune since they are drawn to lucky things by nature...

Rampart is more like the Nature Town of Heroes IV now...



I thought that was more appropriate and I transferred the Centaurs and Dwarves to Dungeon (In most Heroes games centaurs and Dwarfs were in the side of Evil or at least neutral and anyway, an Underground site is more suitable for them).

Tower lineup is as follows:

1) Gremlins-> Master Gremlins
2) Gargoyle -> Obsidian Gargoyle
3) Stone-> Iron Golems OR Sorceresses
4) Mage-> Archmagi  OR Gold Golems
5) Ginies-> Master ginies OR Diamond Golems
6) Naga-> Naga Queen OR Enchanters
7) Giant  -> Titans

This is one of my favorite new changes. Now in Tower you get to choose: Should you have an army of Golems, which are strong and resilient but slow or have an army of wizards that are fast (can be resurrected which is important) but weak, to get the -1 mana cost bonus (note that all wizard creatures have a -1 cost bonus so you can have up to -3 mana cost). You can always have both of course (choosing Sorceress, Gold Golems, Diamond Golems and Enchanters for instance).  

Inferno lineup is:

1) Familiar-> Imp
2) Gog -> Magog
3) Hell hound-> Cerberi OR Werewolves
4) Demon-> Horned Demon
5) Pit Lord-> Pit Fiend OR Succubus
6) Efreet-> Efreet Sultan OR Nightmares
7) Devil  -> Arch Devil

No much to say here. Some creatures are now interchangeable and make the gameplay a little different. Succubuses fly and are shooters so you might wanna replace the Pit lords (although they do have a great ability) and Nightmares have Death stare which is powerfull (but Efreet fly and Have Fire shield which is also good).

Necropolis lineup is:

1)Skeleton-> Skeleton Warriors
2) Walking Dead -> Zombies OR Skeleton Magi
3) Wights-> Wraiths OR Mummies
4) Vampires-> Vampire Lords
5) Lich-> Power Lich
6)Black Knight-> Dread Knight OR Ghosts
7)Bone Dragon  -> Ghost Dragon

Here is also a new twist. Now you get to choose between Skeleton magi and Zombies (which are much stronger). Note that Necromancy gives you skeleton warriors not magi. So when in town you may choose to recruit the Skeleton Magi and thus having both skeleton warriors (from Necromancy skill) and the magi, or recruit zombies to have more health. Furthermore I put Ghosts in level six because I think itĘs the most underrated WOG creature (definitely not a level 3 creature). ItĘs ability to attract souls is way stronger than vampiresĘ ability and so with a small damage bust it makes an excellent level 6 creature. However Dread knights are still the second best six level creature so the choice will be hard.

Dungeon lineup is:

1)Centaur -> Centaur Captains
2) Harpy -> Harpy Hags
3) Evil Eyes->Beholders OR Battle Dwarves
4) Medusa -> Medusa Queens
5) Minotaur-> Minotaur Kings
6)Manticore -> Scorpicore OR Spider Queens
7)Red  -> Black Dragon



As stated, Centaurs and Battle Dwarfs were transferred here (Troglodytes were taken out of the game entirely but I left the Heroes portraits in remembrance) and the Scorpicores can be changed by Spider Queens which are much stronger... I didnĘt make any third creature interchangeable because with the summoning portal it would be redundant.

Stronghold lineup is:

1)Goblins-> Hobgoblins
2) Wolf Riders -> Wolf Raiders or Boars
3) Orcs->Orc Chieftains OR Nomads
4) Ogre -> Ogre Magi OR Trolls
5) Roc-> Thunderbirds
6) Cyclops -> Cyclops Kings
7) Behemoth  -> Ancient behemoth

Here is kind of the same twist with Tower: You can decide to go for more sturdy and with greater damage creatures, or have an extra archer creature (Orcs instead of Nomad),  a faster creature (wolf Raiders) etc.

Fortress lineup is:

1) Gnolls-> Gnoll Marauders
2) Lizard -> Lizard Warrior
3) Serpent Flies->Dragon Flies OR Fire Mistress
4) Bassilisk -> Greater Basilisk OR Shamans
5) Gorgon-> Mighty Gorgons OR Halcyons
6) Wyvern -> Wyvern Monarchs
7)Hydra -> Chaos Hydra

Fortress had only two flier and a (kind of weak) archer. So now it has more of them. Shamans are shooters and produce clones of themselves for protection. Halcyons are fliers and have greater stats than gorgons (although Death Stare is very strong to let go). Fire Mistresses are immune to Fire Magic (I added them as a continuation of the campaign of Adrienne the Fire Witch).

And in the end there is Conflux.

Always hated it. It was poorly made, the whole concept of this town was weak compared with the other ones and most importantly If you recruited Energy Elemental, Magma Elemental , Magic Elemental and Phoenixes you could cast Armageddon all you wanted! And the fact that Phoenixes had a growth of 4 made them the most powerful recruitable creature (If you let 20 Archangels fight 40 Phoenixes you can see the result). A bug town all in all.

So, I needed a whole new concept on this one. And I kinda found it. The town of Thieves and Bards (two major classes in D&D) and the lineup supports the pairing. Up until level 4 creatures are mostly cloack and dagger creatures (most of them are hooded) and consist of Burglars and Outlaws. But then there are also some mythical creatures whose tales the Bards would sing about, such as Hippogryphs, Valkyries, Sirens and (yes) two pairs of Dragons (an appropriate addition to have a town which Dragons would prefer).



So the lineup is:

1) Halflings-> Burglars (I would name them Hobbits but I wouldnĘt out of respect of TolkienĘs work... Burglars however is a good reference for The Hobbit book (for those who read it)
2) Outlaws -> Rogues (Recollored the Peasants to be more roguish and be a downgrade of the Original Rogues)
3) Planeswalkers->Elementalist OR Hippogryphs  (I thought that the original conflux heroesĘ names should be kept and have some appropriate stats. Also, since Hippogryphs and Griffins are pretty much the same I gave the Hippogryphs a magical ability so that they would be the mythical creature and Griffins the warrior creature)
4) Sharpshooter -> Night Prowlers (no comment here, Sharpshooters are all cloaked and elusive)
5) Naiads-> Sirens OR Trytons  (Since this town has a Shipyard and two of the Thef heroes are Pirates I thought it would be nice to include some sea creatures as well)
6) Emerald Dragon -> Dragon Golem  OR Valkyries ( The Def of Dragon Golem is that of Crystal Dragon, which I didnĘt replace to be OK with the Dragon Slayer campain. Think of the Dragon Golem of a second cousin twice removed of the Crystal Dragons, which are not often spotted on the map anyway)
7)Drakeling -> Gorynych ( I thought the non upgrade creature would be nice to be an under aged Dragon which will eventually morph into the Three - Headed Gorynych. It would heal fast because is evolving so quickly)



And so thatĘs it...There were lots of other changes as well of course... Some heroes speciallities were changed accordingly, some creature stats and level... Also there was the problem with the external dwellings but it was kind of dealt with. Now, with the "Some dwellings have upgraded creatures" option some dwellings will have the interchangeable creatures to be recruited.

For instance. A Griffin dwelling always sells 7 Griffins. Now there is a change that it sells Musketeers instead. The Griffin and Musketeer growth will be increased by one anyway, but there is no knowing of which creature can be recruited in the external dwelling. That would add a new element in the game as well, since If in a game you have many external dwelling of a particular creature, you can choose THAT instead of its interchangeable. But that will be best shown in game.

As I said there will be an Update in the Future and I await your comments and suggestions.

Here is the download link again:

http://www.4shared.com/file/wPNgfvnm/Hero_of_Light_v21.html

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wog_edn
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The Nothingness
posted August 08, 2010 06:13 PM

My deep drake in another mod

Anyway, I agree .. Conflux sucks! Might download this!
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Salamandre
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posted August 08, 2010 06:15 PM
Edited by Salamandre at 18:16, 08 Aug 2010.

Creatures look very nice, while some new models there. The idea is great, good luck, it looks already very good.
maybe my musketeer is not the best idea for this, would be better without him I think

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Hero_Of_Light
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posted August 08, 2010 06:15 PM
Edited by Hero_Of_Light at 18:19, 08 Aug 2010.

wog_edn
Yeah i really liked its animation...

So I made it a seventh level creature (Drakeling means Drake young (baby If you like) that is upgraded in Gorynyches. It grows wings, two heads more etc...

Salamandre

I used two of your creatures from Praetorian thread, which animation was closer to original heroes animation (I prefer it).

I think Musketeer is a nice addition to Castle. It is a man unit, has the same colloring...
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wog_edn
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The Nothingness
posted August 08, 2010 06:18 PM

Yess.

But I don't see how level 5 and 6 fits ... the colors are very different.
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Hero_Of_Light
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posted August 08, 2010 06:24 PM

As I said, making a thieves town could mean that all the creatures are Rogues and Assasins etc. But that would be kind of dull, so I made the Magic Hero the Bard and so added some Mythical creatures as well. Maybe I'll change it again in the future, but I kinda like the new Conflux lineup...
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adriancat
adriancat


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posted August 08, 2010 06:58 PM
Edited by adriancat at 18:58, 08 Aug 2010.

it doesn't work.nothing is changed.

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Hero_Of_Light
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posted August 08, 2010 07:01 PM
Edited by Hero_Of_Light at 19:05, 08 Aug 2010.

Have you read the instructions? Maybe try downloading it again because I made some edit to the posts and so maybe something went wrong.

The procedure is as follows:
Unrar to Heroes 3 folder and replace where necessary... Then run Wogupdate. I tried it and it works. Maybe you haven't chosen script 67 in wog options (New conflux town option).
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posted August 08, 2010 07:26 PM

i have downloaded it again,i extracted it in h3+wog folder and i runed wog update 3.58f (Hero of Light v2.0).i had activated the new conflux town and with all this it doesn't work.it said an error:

ERM Syntax Error
File: erm
Line:5138
Reason:ĒVNCopyĒ-internal error (source=0)
Possibble reason is wrong macro syntax
Save all ERM vars to WOGERMLOG.TXT (may take time)?

what should i do?

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Age of erwins is over
posted August 08, 2010 07:31 PM

great mod,hero of light!this is better than your first one and looks very good.Congrats
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posted August 08, 2010 07:33 PM
Edited by Hero_Of_Light at 19:35, 08 Aug 2010.

adriancat

I dunno, it doesn't do that to me...

Try this: Go to Wog options, press LOAD and load the WoGSetupEx.DAT from Heroes folder. This will make the game start with my options.

Run a game and see how it goes.

LizardWarrior

Thanks. Have you tried it out? It works normal?
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adriancat


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Protector Of The Peace
posted August 08, 2010 07:52 PM

still same error

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LizardWarrior
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Age of erwins is over
posted August 08, 2010 08:00 PM

I will install it tommorow,now I'm busy with some maps.
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Hero_Of_Light
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posted August 08, 2010 08:04 PM
Edited by Hero_Of_Light at 20:06, 08 Aug 2010.

I don't know what else you can try... Sorry

Maybe you could reinstall WOG... But there is no telling it will work even then so do as you wish...

I'm waiting to hear what others who downloaded it have to say and see If it works for them... Maybe in the next two or three days we'll know. But it works for me, I have made the update and it works fine. I dunno what to say.
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adriancat
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Protector Of The Peace
posted August 08, 2010 08:24 PM

ok.thx anyway

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Always loyal to HC
posted August 09, 2010 12:59 AM

what to say...a very good mod! he definetly deserves a qp

i played a quick map with ramprt.

i got an ERM syntax error too, but the game continues inspite of it *laughs*

but i still think that the error affects some creatures. for example in rampart i see that you have the green dressed woman as level 2 [probably she's upgraded], but in my game i have the purple dressed woman and the upgrade is the hierophant [commander]. is that ok?
i love the leprechaun idea !

i love most of the animations. but i still think that the creatures could be choosed more carefully. as an example: i dont see satyrs living  at a pegasus altar, but they could be recruited from the forests, so u could make satyrs level 5 [and the proper stats ofc], or the purple dressed woman doesnt fit to rampart because of the color. but ofc that's only my mind

i didnt play with the rest yet so i dont comment anything...

and again awesome mod! [after playing a little more xDD]

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jontahontas
jontahontas


Adventuring Hero
posted August 09, 2010 02:04 AM

Hi!

I thought I make a post since my issue might be on my side, and not your mod.

So, I saw the screens, your explanations, ideas etc and I think its great. Your replacement for Conflux is a super idea.

However, have you altered with the Creature experience statistics? In my ;normal; version every creature gets like 0 to 50% extra health depending on level, X, Y, Z in attack, defense, damage, speed, and every creature get special abilities. The higher level ones more, the lower level ones less.

After installing your mod, on a clean wog, this experience statistics changes completly. Health%, att, def, dmg, speed, abilities etc are all gone and basicly every creature gets one thing that sometimes increases with their exp, sometimes not. For example, the only stats for enchanters is that they lower mana cost with one, and the only stat for rogues is that they have no retal.

Is it supposed to be like this? If so, why? Like I said, I think you have made a great mod, but the creature stats in experience are just too fun for me to give up.

Best regards, Jonatan

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T2_2112
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posted August 09, 2010 03:28 AM

@Hero of Light,

I think you should not use creatures from LEAK HOTA, they STILL not go to PUBLIC yet, you NEED their PERMIT for that one. Anything else is GOOD

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LizardWarrior
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Age of erwins is over
posted August 09, 2010 08:04 AM

but there is a ilogical think,why you recruit phoenixes from dragon cliff
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