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Stevie
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posted May 26, 2016 06:35 PM

Just found out this gem from the lead designer of LoL. I'm dying in tears.




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Tsar-Ivor
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posted May 26, 2016 06:53 PM
Edited by Tsar-Ivor at 18:54, 26 May 2016.

And League blew Dota 2 out of the water ^^'.

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posted May 27, 2016 05:34 PM

Indeed, the low skill ceiling plebs are many. But that's about it.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted May 27, 2016 06:30 PM
Edited by Tsar-Ivor at 18:37, 27 May 2016.

That's harsh man, 90% of the league player base don't understand the basic machanics of the game and can't demonstrate basic decision making. The human race is doomed!

It wasn't till I reached mid platinum that I saw a massive change in the players, not necessarily just mechanically, but many/most know what they can and cannot do, and make positive steps toward victory.
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posted May 27, 2016 06:41 PM

Neither of you are making your respective sides look good.

Stevie is making fun of 3 posts made 6 years ago. I'm guessing you don't know anything about the current design philosophy of Riot? You are clearly just posting that to make fun of league fans and for what? To feel better about the fact that you play "the superior game"?

And Tsar stooping to his level by saying the equivalent of "but lol>>>>>>>dota lol!" is just giving him the reaction he is looking for. He is clearly very set in his ways so why indulge him?
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posted May 27, 2016 07:05 PM
Edited by Tsar-Ivor at 19:13, 27 May 2016.

His level? Me and Stevie are tight lol, not on his level cause of the stuff I say, I am cause I am.

And I indulged him on purpose, I don't see why depriving people (that extends to trolls too) attention is 'good' thing to do, when there's no harm done I see no reason not to grant them the attention to encourage future sharing (I care about people yo). Would have to be a particularly weak willed individual if one takes offense at him saying that Dota is superior, or if I said the same about league.

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posted May 27, 2016 07:16 PM

Hahaha, this guy! I'm actually in tears, someone really took the bait. I really don't care for such arguments, I find them silly more than anything, I just couldn't resist the easy jab. But since you mentioned design philosophy, superiority games and the fact that Morello's posts were over 6 years old (so hinting at inaccuracy from today's pov?), have a gander at this tweet made less than two days ago from one of Riot's former employees and tell me what you think lol, here you go.
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posted May 27, 2016 07:28 PM

that design philosophy has actually influenced some of leagues healers, particularly Soraka. Before she was pretty much a heal-bot and while she is still the closest thing to one in League, she is now forced to be active and interact with the enemy. You see, her heal cost some of her own health while her primary damage ability heals her slightly meaning that if she is to continue healing effectively she also has to attack and put herself at risk. That's some pretty good mechanics right there.
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posted May 27, 2016 07:32 PM

My point still stands.
You even say that you are trying to get a rise out of people. Again why? So you can once again be "in tears" because someone is telling you that you're being unreasonable?

And as far as the tweet goes I assume he is alluding to the fact that the core mechanics of the game have not changed since it was created 13 years ago. Which is correct no? They even made sure to copy everything "faithful" to the original when valve took over.
He is saying that Dota has made an effort not to change (disregarding  balance decisions) while every other Moba since the original Dota has in fact changed (Except for HoN who's entire selling point back in the day that it was just DotA with nicer graphics).
Implying that the people designing these games have learned something about the genre and applied it to their product. You think he's wrong?
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posted May 27, 2016 07:32 PM
Edited by Tsar-Ivor at 19:34, 27 May 2016.

@Kiry
Some of the more decent soraka players just max q, go tanky and go ham on the enemy, it's truly terrifying. (the self heal on q is just disgusting, and if you heal an ally you give them the heal over time buff too). And that silence is literally game changing.

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posted May 27, 2016 07:40 PM
Edited by Storm-Giant at 19:46, 27 May 2016.

yo, Steve, stop messing with the plebs! jk
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Many things that SUCK for your victim and also don't feel very satisfying for you.  Mana burn, losing gold on death, etc.

That was actually funny, lol
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posted May 27, 2016 07:49 PM

Storm-Giant said:

Quote:
Many things that SUCK for your victim and also don't feel very satisfying for you.  Mana burn, losing gold on death, etc.

That was actually funny, lol


man, all those things SUCK!

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posted May 27, 2016 08:05 PM

I lost it when I read this one:

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I agree, Dota is extremely confusing for new players. When I saw the pick screen I didnt know where to put my credit card info

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posted May 27, 2016 08:24 PM

Is anyone going to say why they actually think what the guy is saying is ridiculous? Anything other than "lol what a moron!" without any explanation?
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted May 27, 2016 09:55 PM

Morello isn't known for his intelligence.
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posted May 28, 2016 03:07 PM

Yeah well that stuff sounds good if you want to keep the self-congratulatory parade going where nobody says anything substantial and people just repeat the same tired tropes over and over again.

Isn't it a bit naive to believe that a company that has the biggest game and esports on the planet is doing something right? I'm no fan of Riot Games but that doesn't prevent me from seeing that they have people working there who are making smart decision. They wouldn't be as big as they are if morello for example was indeed stupid.

So far nobody in here has said anything to justify the ridicule. I mean sure if all you guys want to do is pat yourselves on the back reaffirming tired stereotypes without giving anything any deeper thougt than "lol is stupid hurrdurr", by all means keep going.
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posted May 28, 2016 09:03 PM

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So far nobody in here has said anything to justify the ridicule.


It would require the expenditure of more energy than I'd care to spend, with no pay-off to speak of.
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posted May 28, 2016 09:23 PM

Yeah sounds about right.
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posted May 28, 2016 09:36 PM

Glad we got this resolved.
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posted June 04, 2016 03:08 PM
Edited by Tsar-Ivor at 15:08, 04 Jun 2016.

After about 500-600 games of Yasuo in ranked across my accounts, I've come to this realisation:

Since release it's not just staple, but has been deemed essential for yasuo to go down the crit route and to have that stat maxed to 100% as soon as possible with maybe the odd hexdrinker thrown in between the two item spike. Now, especially with the toplane meta switching out for full tanks, this 'assassin' sustained dmg top laner no longer cuts it, if he can absolutely snowball top lane then maybe, but just breaking even or coming out ahead is not enough vs things like naut/malphite/jax/ etc, they can set up ganks amazingly and flat out out-do you in teamfights unless you get that amazing ult off.

I feel for the midlane the traditional yasuo is fine, it's the toplane I want to spice up to be in line with the meta. I've been doing experimenting in normals, and now I moved my testing into mid tier plat ranked games and I've been pleasantly suprised. Going full bruiser builds works perfectly with yasuo, something like the new triforce into Ghostblade, or Ghostblade/blackcleaver into BoTRK and you have a perfect role as an unparalleled anti tank beefcake toplane with a solid role to play in teamfights beyond trying to get an ult off on the enemy backline you become a solid anti enemy frontline. Your early damage is insane, you can even out flat out out trade things like Riven or Darius (it's just a less riskier match up, you can make tiny mistakes and sitll trade very well rather than flat out get stomped). Toplane yasuo has to have an identity in this tank meta (goddamn voli/naut/malp etc etc) and being a dedicated peeler/anti enemy frontline is working wonders, as opposed to the traditional yas of trying to melt the enemy backline with an ult then turning on the enemy frontline with ult buff.

Having no crit doesn't seem to have affected my damage output one bit, infact I find that I do far more reliable and consistent damage, and people just don't see it coming, they expect the usual squishy Phantom Dancer or Shiv first, sure he can do dmg, but if you cc him or better ye get jungler assistance he can get shut down hard. Not only that having 15s cd on ult at 16, and 13s on windwall is just insane, you can literally melt the enemy frontline then have windwall and ult again to continue, his passive shield and windwall have always been the key components of Yas' kit, not his double crit.

Just to finish off, I've not seen any adverse effects whatsoever of not building any crit (thinking of having 1 mark for 2% crit chance, and building PD to replace boots). And this is perhaps the most surprising of all, normally with 100% crit I still might end up doing mediocre dmg to champs, perhaps the enemy frontline is just too strong or the enemy team is just that far ahead, but with this build even when falling slightly behind I've always had a role to play (if the enemy doesn't have dedicated tanks I opt for the early New triforce, it's even more amazing now on yas).
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