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Thread: A creational game [masterpost on page 224] [ This thread is 414 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 (205) 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360 361 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 373 374 375 376 377 378 379 380 381 382 383 384 385 386 387 388 389 390 391 392 393 394 395 396 397 398 399 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 407 408 409 410 411 412 413 414 ]
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alcibiades

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Really, Ubisoft?
posted December 26, 2011 12:57 PM

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Am I doing it wrong? Not supposed to go in this much detail or something? Mind you, I was out of this for the first 200 pages.
You're supposed to answer Jiriki's questions.
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Jiriki9
Jiriki9


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posted December 26, 2011 01:42 PM

Indeed.^^ Thus, in this case, it indeed maybe was a bit much, since I did not ask, WHICH classes, so far, only a number. (Though I liked the approach). ...and now we come to this "which"...

For, now, we shall define the classes names, from the lowest to the highest. If you have definite ideas on special duties or rights of these classes - you may name one.
The classes should not be professions, unless these profession definitely forms their own class in which NOONE else is!!!!

1. Name the lowest class, freely

2. Name the second lowest class, freely

3. Name the second highest class, freely

4. Name the highest class, freely

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Vindicator
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posted December 26, 2011 02:03 PM

Second highest-Squire/Knights

Travelling warriors, gallant compatriots, and chivalrous individuals, knights are known everywhere to be the protectors of the weak, and to fight of evil, whatever its source may be. All hail the gallant knights!


...Or so they say.

Few know of knights' true nature; they are brutish, filthy individuals; they do have a code of honor of sorts, which can be summed up in three words, "Follow the emperor". Blindly listening to the emperor's orders, they will do whatever it takes to gain his favor. Deadly swordsmen and warriors, they are also top-class actors, ensuring the few nobles and people of high position know who the emperor's servants really are. Sent on dangerous missions, they are rewarded handsomely for their deeds, and most can count on the emperor to back them should they be in trouble.
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Jiriki9
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posted December 26, 2011 02:14 PM

Shouldn't squires, or at least knights, be a noble's title? Note that these are those below the nobility. I will accept the title of Squire, however - and the description, if noone objects against it. Note also, that they may be the second highest non-noble class, but they will not be nearly that few individuals as the nobles...

1. Name the lowest class, freely

2. Name the second lowest class, freely

3. Name the highest class, freely

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Baklava
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posted December 26, 2011 07:55 PM

Lowest - Serfs and Invisibles

Serfs are pretty self explanatory. The Invisibles are not officially a class; they are those citizens fallen under the poverty line, living illegally in slums, paying off slumlords however they can in exchange for the slumlords paying off the authorities to look the other way - effectively, they have almost no rights, nor wealth.
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posted December 26, 2011 08:10 PM

Second Lowest-Merchants and Tradesmen

Self-explanatory, really. Although some merchants can get wealthy, it is not considered an "honorable" deed, and so they don't have too much respect in the society; only enough to make sure they don't raise the prices up too much.
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gnomes2169
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posted December 26, 2011 11:37 PM

Highest: Nobles, Knights and Priests (in that order).

Nobles are generally born into their titles, though sometimes a clerk, merchant or personal servant can amass enough favor or power to join their ranks. In general, Nobles are the tax collectors and the people who run the law enforcement. They answer to kings and priests.

Many nobles also tend to be Knights, who are the enforcers of law, keepers of order and leaders of the King's army. They can also be raised from squires, who are generally the sons of merchants and clerks, though the knights who have gained their rank from being an apprentice stand lower on the social rung than a noble. Generally, they only answer to God and king.

Priests are the upper-level of clergy. They sometimes are considered prophets or sainthood material, and have power only surpassed by the king himself.
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Jiriki9
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posted December 27, 2011 03:34 AM

@gnomes: Sorry, but I have some issues with yours....first I have to repeat my self:

Quote:
Note that these are those below the nobility.

=> Nobles are not included in this!!!!!!!! they are, definitely, ABOVE these 4 classes, because the question before was "Shall there be more than 1 class below nobility" and vindicators answer was "Yes - 4"

Second. Priest is the Haven Hero class. Not really an argument, just a note. But I would like to determine the status of the Clergy first, before priests are firmly addded into a class.

@bak: sorry for being critical again, but it sounds like you are describing 2 classes. Also, I personally like the idea of those you call invisible being "classless" - which would mean "rightless" as well...would you be fine with that?

New Questions:

1. Shall Craftsmen be considered as "Serfs" or as "Merchants/Tradesmen"?

Serfs
OR
Merchants/Tradesmen
OR
Depends on Which Craft they perform

2. Where is the Clergy?

Besides these classes, they are not included in the normal class system and have their own ranks.
OR
Partly with the Squire Class, partly with the Knight Class
OR
With the Knight Class
OR
WIth the Squire Class
OR
Partly with the Merchant Class, partly with the Squire Class.

Note: I know thesy are not directly considered into the originally classes, but the clergy needs to be somewhere in the system or besides it...

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Baklava
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posted December 27, 2011 06:33 AM

Sure, mate. It's just that I thought of the Invisibles as, effectively, neither higher nor lower than serfs.

1. They're regarded as merchants/tradesmen, meaning free citizens, if they belong to a respective guild or are successful enough in their business to maintain the free citizen standard (which is hard).
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Vindicator
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posted December 27, 2011 07:45 AM

2. Beside these classes
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Jiriki9
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posted December 27, 2011 10:41 AM

fine. so, I think that's for nwo, enough for haven social structure.

Only two factions left. Which to do next?

fortress
OR
sanctuary

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Vindicator
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posted December 27, 2011 10:46 AM

Fortress
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Jiriki9
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posted December 27, 2011 10:58 AM

ah, fine. as a reminder: fortress is an underground Dwarven faction. Besides Dwarvs you'll find Kobolds, Gargoyles and various more beastish creatures there. The Heroes are Thanes, with the powerfull abilities to either use runes or forge equipment for their troops.
Concerning religion, Dwarves are largely agnostic, meaning they aren't sure if a divine being really exists, nor do they really care.
Dwarves were introduced to religion via other races, and while not
religious per se, dwarves are curiously enough a very superstituous
people and thus felt it nescessary to include "by whatever guides us" and "by the powers that may be (I dunno)" in normal-day conversation, just to "ward off" anything omnipotent or just to wish each other good fortune.

Dwarven priests are "earthly guides" whose jobs are to meddle in other dwarves' affairs.
They have conducted a "morality codex" that contains everything from "which swear-words to use when minors are present", to "personal beard hygiene 101".
They also act as judges within the dwarven juridical system.

So now, for the social values here.

1. Ambition 0-100
2. Cleanness 0-75
3. Compassion 0-60
4. Courage 75-100
5. Creativity 0-100
6. Curiosity 0-50
7. Freedom 10-90
8. Greed 10-100
9. Honour 50-100
10. Justice 60-100
11. Knowledge 25-100
12. Lust 0-60
13. Modesty 0-100
14. Pride 50-100
15. Productivity 40-100
16. Rage 0-95
17. Reliability 80-100
18. "Who has the Power, can do as he/She pleases" 0-35

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posted December 27, 2011 12:00 PM

Productivity-90
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gnomes2169
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posted December 27, 2011 02:20 PM

@ Jir: Doh! Well, remove nobles. Knights are below nobles then and still the enforcers of law. Priests would be at a decent level in the clergy, able to channel God's powers to a minor degree, etc, etc. There we go...

18: 0
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posted December 28, 2011 04:21 AM

1. Ambition 0-100
2. Cleanness 0-75
3. Compassion 0-60
4. Courage 75-100
5. Creativity 0-100
6. Curiosity 0-50
7. Freedom 10-90
8. Greed 10-100
9. Honour 50-100
10. Justice 60-100
11. Knowledge 25-100
12. Lust 0-60
13. Modesty 0-100
14. Pride 50-100
15. Rage 0-95
16. Reliability 80-100

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Vindicator
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posted December 28, 2011 08:10 AM

Courage-90
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einomida
einomida


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posted December 28, 2011 08:24 AM

Creativity 100

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Jiriki9
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posted December 28, 2011 08:42 AM

1. Ambition 0-100
2. Cleanness 0-75
3. Compassion 0-60
4. Curiosity 0-50
5. Freedom 10-90
6. Greed 10-100
7. Honour 50-100
8. Justice 60-100
9. Knowledge 25-100
10. Lust 0-60
11. Modesty 0-100
12. Pride 50-100
13. Rage 0-95
14. Reliability 80-100

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posted December 28, 2011 08:51 AM

Freedom-40
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