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Zenofex
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Kreegan-atheist
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posted July 04, 2011 09:21 AM |
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I may have to take back some of the things I said about Inferno, partially because of the Pit Fiend. This thing is a monster. Just 5-6 of them and you can gut almost everything around you. Blade of Hatred makes sure that - with a good coordination - the neutrals kill themselves and Hateful Retaliation is a weapon of mass destruction, which if combined with Life Drain makes the Pit Fiends nearly immortal. I killed 50 Crushers with 4 Pit Fiends like they weren't there (and 80 Sentinels + 40 Praetorians with 6 shortly after that - one of the two Pit Fiend stacks barely lost 30-40 HP).
Blade of Hatred appears to be somewhat bugged though. Sometimes the effect just disappears from the target and it moves/attacks normally. Other than that it's a very effective skill.
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Doomforge
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Retired Hero
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posted July 04, 2011 10:54 AM |
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Blade of hatred makes things go berserk, which is exactly why pits are good indeed. Hateful retaliation turns them to a thing you don't want to attack, and boundless hate should be fixed (too weak atm) to make it a powerful tool of mass destruction every 2-3 turns.
Inferno can get both Vampirism and Bloodlust and should abuse that fact 
However, I don't see the pits being good in creeping. Yesterday I killed 45 Lamasus with lke 20 ghouls 30 spectres, creeping in this game is just easy
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Dungeonian
Adventuring Hero
Supreme matriarch
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posted July 04, 2011 11:15 AM |
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Does somebody compair faction based on big battles between heroes , not which one have easiest creeping throw neitrals ? I'm interested on this one more .
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Doomforge
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Retired Hero
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posted July 04, 2011 11:20 AM |
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I did in the rough town rating thread. Played hotseat with experienced HoMM player. The effects of that is in the "my feedback" thread.
In general it's hard to judge towns with mass vampirism and bloodlust around, they change the battlefield considerably. In general, necropolis owns other towns, and other towns are roughly balanced decently. Haven may be a bit off with lack of shooters and dire need for good tactics (newbs will be trampled).
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Zenofex
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Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
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posted July 04, 2011 11:42 AM |
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Edited by Zenofex at 11:44, 04 Jul 2011.
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Blade of hatred makes things go berserk, which is exactly why pits are good indeed. Hateful retaliation turns them to a thing you don't want to attack, and boundless hate should be fixed (too weak atm) to make it a powerful tool of mass destruction every 2-3 turns.
Inferno can get both Vampirism and Bloodlust and should abuse that fact
However, I don't see the pits being good in creeping. Yesterday I killed 45 Lamasus with lke 20 ghouls 30 spectres, creeping in this game is just easy
Of course it's easy when you have a broken healer with high damage output and physical damage reduction. This shouldn't be the case, hence the focus has to be shifted from the healers - which are ubiquitous for every faction that has them and the most powerful Core from the respective line-up without an exception (I'll NEVER attack large groups of Vestals with Inferno or Necropolis without ranged support or some means to resurrect my troops any more - individually they deal almost as much damage as Haven's Elites due to the Light Vulnerability of the two factions + Pacify is a heavy, fat version of No Retaliation) - to other creatures with the healers turning into what they should be - support with occasional battle application.
As for the Pit Fiend - Blade of Hatred has to be used carefully as if there is no "friendly" stack next to the attacked one, the affected creatures always hit the Pit Fiend without a retaliation, which kind of works in their favour. I guess it will work pretty well for a turtle-breaker against Haven though but Guardian Angel could spoil the fun if applied correctly. Hateful Retaliation however shines. This skill alone is a good reason to take Counterstrike and undoubtedly the Pit Fiend is the creature which benefits the most from Life Drain - it could restore far more HP than the damage dealt to an individual target. In short - lovely creature.  If they make Boundless Hate actually useful, it will be more or less perfect.
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Doomforge
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Retired Hero
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posted July 04, 2011 11:49 AM |
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Indeed! They could also remove the no-retaliation from frenzied creatures. As this would force the enemy to attack pit lord (assuming no friendly stacks near) and suffer hateful retaliation
Once vampirism is applied on them, don't forget stoneskin, it makes them even more fun.
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JollyJoker
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted July 04, 2011 12:41 PM |
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It seems people are not digging the possibility of DISPELLING. There are LOTS of ways to dispel effects. Creatures have them; spells have them.
Also there are undispellabke effects which are not spells.
In general, wouldn't think too much about having two or three games; I'm playing the game for some time now and creeping is easy for everyone at the moment - on the BA map.
However, with all ability combinations, hero double actions, and so on, t's pretty difficult to rate the combinations. Of course it's nice, when you heap one cool spell on each other when no one interferes, but interferring is way easier in 6 than in 5.
In short, you have to guard against the "Rain of Mass Spells" player ability. 
Also, I disgree with most conclusions. We have too wide limits on a couple of key features: resurection power, week of... effects, outside dwelling population Architect-stacking, and so on, and we need to stop the extreme effects first, before starting to fiddle with details.
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Doomforge
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Retired Hero
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posted July 04, 2011 12:58 PM |
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Amen to that. The galloping imbalance should be stopped fist before we start tweaking the numbers.
But, being able to dispel doesn't mean the spell is not imba
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Knut_Are_M
Tavern Dweller
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posted July 05, 2011 12:29 PM |
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Anyone tested the mother breeder draining ability?
30(36) mother breeders drained 200 mana in 1 single hit.
my current stacked test betwean a inferno might hero and a heaven light hero was a disaster.
on the inferno side there was a level 15 inferno might hero stacked with might abilities.
30(36) mother breeders, 64 hell hounds, and 10 pit fiends.
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Heaven level 15 magic hero with all light abilities, 40 imperial griffins, 174 vestals and 10 celestials.
end of the fight, 23 mother breeders survived.
mana drain is 22 per mother breeder on my hero. It only works on ranged attacks.
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted July 05, 2011 01:05 PM |
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I had like 50 mana drain per turn with 36 breeders. It's very powerful, I agree, but seems completely random for some reason.
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