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del_diablo
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posted April 11, 2012 11:34 AM |
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But you don't need to be surrounded by enemies to be a extreme supernationalist nation. I mean... surrounded by equalminded neighbors, Russia, and the sea, and Norweay is still a extremely nationalist country.
Nationalism is cancer, and when its induced by "enemies", its a even worse cancer.
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Zenofex
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posted April 11, 2012 02:38 PM |
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Such "threats" do not necessarily come from the neighbours, in general they just have to come from somewhere, existent or not. A nationalist is basically someone who feels that his identity and well-being and the identity/well-being of his fellow countrymen (but ultimately his/her identity/well-being is the one that matters) can be compromised by some foreign influence - via economical means, cultural infiltration, war, etc. - and wants this influence rooted out. Paradoxically, the nationalist does not believe strong enough that he and his nation can maintain their identity against that influence, otherwise he/she wouldn't perceive it as a threat. The rest of the people just don't care.
These things are not necessarily bad, mind you - a genuine threat to any nation requires some sort of mobilization like that. In most cases however the nationalism is just another tool for manipulation and the interests at stake rarely have something to do with the nation as such.
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del_diablo
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posted April 12, 2012 10:12 AM |
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But there is rarely a need for a outside threat at all. Nationalism don't need a threat, but rather a banner of some ancient or older history of some glory, or some moral in the people. For Swedes its about they being "better" or more "progressive" than everyone else, and it has mostly roots in what happened in the 1930s, or quoting Russian childrens songs about Swedish soliders. For Norwegians its all about what took about a century to complete, a story about a bunch of university students and a Danish regnant who gathered folklore and eventually did accomplish some independance which later evolved into full independance in 1905. There was no enemy, no real opposition, just a gather of ideals and spreading it down into the common mans growth to the point where its indoctrination(what is not indoctrination one may ask too).
Nationalism as a moral, and nationalism as a gathering due outside pests are two different things. The first is culture as a religion, and the second is what may become a religion if its succesfull enough. "They shoot at us, so we shoot back" is not Nationalism, but its usually gathered trough nationalism, you know deep roots in history("This was the Country IVAN gathered for us!" "They enslaved us in the 1XXX! Never again!", etc).
A vague distinction. Besides, since the cultural counterstrike might turn into a good story, it too can become nationalism, but the counterstrike itself is not yet nationalism.
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