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Heroes Community > Heroes 7+ Altar of Wishes > Thread: New Faction&Town Concept
Thread: New Faction&Town Concept This thread is 4 pages long: 1 2 3 4 · «PREV
hobo2
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posted July 23, 2012 05:49 AM

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Common would be the core level unit from H6, Core would be in between H6 core and elite, elite would be in between H6 elite and champion, and Champion = Champion. It staggers the growth of power between the creature levels.


How?

I mean, the Succubus is way better than the Maniac. The Lich is way better than the Lamassu. There are better and worse units in every faction in every troop level. If you get two units at the same level, how is the fact that one is better than the other mechanically important?

I'm seriously not seeing a mechanical effect from the fact that one unit is labeled "Common" and the other is labeled "Core". If you get them at the same level of city development, they are the same level. Pretty much by definition.

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Jiriki9
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posted July 23, 2012 11:37 AM
Edited by Jiriki9 at 11:51, 23 Jul 2012.

I disagree on that^^ The unit level and the city level are two distinct things. THe unit level is dependent on the unit strength. To clarify, here a strength rate average:

1 Champion Unit is about as strong as 3 Elites
1 Elite Unit is about as strong as 4 Cores
1 Core Unit is about as strong as 5 Commons

such differences must be regarded in the unit level, imo! I see this rather important mechanically and don't see why one town level can only give one unit strength or why units of very different strength should be named one level...

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So, what purpose does a Level 2 District serve?

He gives you access to a Core and an Elite units, as well as 1 or 2 Tier 2 special buildings.


btw, no comments to my alliance thoughts?

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LizardWarrior
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posted July 23, 2012 12:16 PM

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Free City Possible Allies: All except Haven. The Free Cities are a really Open-Minded society, which allows them to ally with anyone. The conservative Haven however sees that as aiding heresy, thus declines to ally with a Free city.

Haven Possible Allies: Academy, Fortress, Sylvan and Temple. The Havens decline all Factions they deem Evil and shun the Free Cities because they, though not evil themselves, are willing to support the Evil factions.
Note: Questionable are Temple and Academy here, I think, especially if one allows Academy to ally with inferno and/or necropolis, which I deem quite possible.

Inferno Possible Allies: Only Necropolis - and only because both get shunned by most others.

Necropolis Possible Allies: Academy, Dungeon and Inferno. Most Living fear the Undead and decline alliance with them. Only the Wizards and the Warlocks deem the Power of the Undead more important than some talk about 'Heresy'.


I suggest that every faction has 4 allies.

Free Cities looks more appropriate to Haven than any other faction and they would be perfect allies,but I don't know too much about Ashan Lore.Free cities could fit with Sylvan,Academy,Fortress and Dungeon if Haven is excluded.

Haven could be ally even with Necropolis,don't forget that in early Christianity necromancy was considered a holy practice(much like exorcism,tabu,but still holy).Haven could have as allies Sylvan,Fortress,Temple and maybe Academy,but if you want a Haven ruled by Inquisition they should have as enemy all factions that are based exclusively on magic(Academy,Necropolis etc.)

Inferno could have as allies Dungeon(remeber H3 campaign Dungeon and the Devils?),Stronghold and Necropolis,maybe even Fortress.

For Necropolis I suggest Dungeon,Academy,Inferno and Temple.As temple is a swamp faction it could have something like VooDoo and zombie raising rituals in their religion/culture so Necromancers would be perfect allies.


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Jiriki9
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posted July 23, 2012 12:39 PM

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Free Cities looks more appropriate to Haven than any other faction and they would be perfect allies,but I don't know too much about Ashan Lore

Did I talk aubout Ashan? O.O I hope noone thought I'd go for Ashan!

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Free Cities looks more appropriate to Haven than any other faction and they would be perfect allies

I think they arerather good opponents as well. Haven is conservative, close-minded to those thinking different, exalted and "holy". Free-Cities are FREE Cities. I envision them as rather open-minded and freedom-loving which, I hope, is reflected in the units I proposed. THus, though both humans, their culture and values are quite different.

Haven as enemy to Academy is an interesting idea.

Inferno and Fortress? O.o how do you see that possible?

THe necro proposals seem reasonable. THough I think that Free Cities might also be open-minded enough to ally with  the undead...

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LizardWarrior
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posted July 23, 2012 05:50 PM
Edited by LizardWarrior at 17:51, 23 Jul 2012.

Well first time I heard about Free Cities faction was in H5 lore which was in Ashan.

Fortress is a mountain faction,isn't it?In mountains can be also lava rifts/dark caverns where demons live so there may be some interactions between these two factions.But they can be also enemies that fight for the same territories.

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Jiriki9
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posted July 25, 2012 08:51 AM

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Well first time I heard about Free Cities faction was in H5 lore which was in Ashan.

I think they appeared in some earlier M&M-game? Not sure, though...

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Fortress is a mountain faction,isn't it?In mountains can be also lava rifts/dark caverns where demons live so there may be some interactions between these two factions.But they can be also enemies that fight for the same territories.

THinkling about it, it may be possible, if dwarves are not a goodie-faction and rather netural.

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MattII
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posted July 25, 2012 10:03 AM

Maybe, but Ashan was a complete rewrite of the lore.

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Jiriki9
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posted July 26, 2012 12:19 PM

Well, wahtever is in Ashan - this proposal, as any by me, is NOT Ashan^^

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hobo2
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posted July 27, 2012 04:15 PM

The "Free cities" is indeed just an area on the Ashan map. It doesn't mean anything in any non-Ashan context. Within the context of Ashan, the "Free Cities" are the people who left the Holy Falcon Empire when they were forced to give up worship of Sylath. Outside Ashan, but in a fantasy context, the "Free Cities" refers to a region near Westeros in the Song of Ice and Fire.

I have no idea what you might mean by "Free Cities" in a non-Ashan context, and suspect you don't either.

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Jiriki9
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posted July 27, 2012 04:39 PM

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I have no idea what you might mean by "Free Cities" in a non-Ashan context, and suspect you don't either.


I allready gave a glimpse what I do mean^^ Free Cities for me is...well...free cities. Freedom-loving and open-minded, less racist and conservative than Haven. It's probable they have non-monarchic government, maybe somethin like early democracies or Roman Republic. It's also very probable they are not all united into one big nation, but small, self-governed city-states.

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