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Hermes
Famous Hero
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posted January 10, 2013 02:16 AM |
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I love it personally  i dont get what is wrong with reusing Daughter of Malassa model, you only encounter this boss ONCE in the whole campaign, so its not the same like reusing elementals, I mean they recolored Griffin and called it shadow drake or something then it would be a problem. Some creatures bit similar, like Lamasu and Manticore, but what can you do?
This dragon looks awesome imho, it actually looks like it is able to FLY, unlike the fat one in H3..
So what does the unupgraded version look like?
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Avirosb
Promising
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No longer on vacation
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posted January 10, 2013 02:25 AM |
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This dragon looks awesome imho, it actually looks like it is able to FLY
Not with those wings it doesn't 
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Miru
Supreme Hero
A leaf in the river of time
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posted January 10, 2013 03:50 AM |
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The black dragon was ok, I was hoping it would look more draconic and evil.. the whole starry majestic thing isn't as great. What I am worried about is the Shadow dragon.. I really don't like the purple eyes representing darkness.
The whole Gargole / Black Dragon thing reminded me of Fantasia, THAT is how darkness should look.
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted January 10, 2013 07:07 AM |
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Well to decide if I like this or not I guess it comes down to 2 questions:
1) Is the Black Dragon still magic immune?
2) Is he still very strong and very expensive? ( I mean if he loses a 1vs1 battle against any other champions this is ****)
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted January 10, 2013 09:12 AM |
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@watcher83
I do not think BD will be magic immune. Reason: Magic immunity was great when it limited only heroes, bBut now, with the the new system, it would limi many units aswell.
@Hermes
This is the upgraded version. A smaller model of the Malassa boss will most likely be the shadow dragon.
Amd you are wrong. THe Daughter of Malassa is actually the mot common Boss in the game, since it is the only one, which you can encounter on a normal multiplayer map (Archipelago of the Ancients is its english name if I am correct. It is the one based on the 2011 christmas hunt scenario)
One thing I am surprised about is, that I see as many complaints about "The BD will not fit the lineup" As I did about all upgraded units are to Purple (btw. the un-upgraded one will be purple enougt imho, so no reason to complain about that)
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted January 10, 2013 09:45 AM |
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From what I've seen the dragon should be seriously good. As for immunity I think it is partial as 100% in this game would be nuts. Perhaps dungeon is not as destructive as it used to be but its units are natural born killers.
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 10, 2013 09:53 AM |
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Dave is completely right - it doesn't take a genius to realize, that with HoMM 6 game mechanics (might/magic damage) magic immunity spells trouble.
Unfortunately, a Black Dragon wouldn't be a BD without Magic Immunity. That's why BDs willbe immune against HERO SPELLS and have a (currently) 30% immunity against all magic creature attacks (I suppose the direct magic hero attack will be under the 30% rule as well). I have not the slightest idea how they will handle obviously magical (spell-based) unit abilities.
It is also immediately clear that, with long games where you indeed see Black Dragons, certain hero builds won't be very effective.
This kind of "Magical Immunity" will be available via a Building as well, for one as a special Dungeon Building, for two as a map location to visit once per week - this will give that kind of Magical Immunity for the first 2 or 3 turns of combat.
In my opinion this is an extremely unbalanced feature which doesn't serve the game at all since it devaluates hero spells and therefore the Magic Heroes.
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted January 10, 2013 09:55 AM |
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With no magic immunity and the lack of light magic (no heal, ressurection)they will be meat for a spell damage dealer. I mean your best bet for perserving some of them against guerilla tactics of a pyromancer is what? earth regeneration? (if u have earth)
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted January 10, 2013 10:13 AM |
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creatures and upgrades have always been mostly recolors with some changes
Only within their respective factions.
Neutral creatures have never been palette swapped with faction creatures before, at least not to my knowledge.
They have. Spring Spirits (Sanctuary) and Water Elementals (Neutral) share the same 3D model, as do Glories (Haven) and Light Elementals (Neutral). Always confuses the heck out of me when I encounter them, because one of the two has a nasty anti-melee shield, while the other is best beaten down in melee as soon as possible.
By the way, I would assume a Black Dragon's magic immunity is similar to that of the Phoenix that's already ingame. Keep in mind that its overall power won't be all that different from the current Champion creatures already ingame, so in terms of game balance, we already have a rough idea of what it's capable of.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted January 10, 2013 10:18 AM |
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Before H6, I meant. But yeah, I see your point.
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JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 10, 2013 10:24 AM |
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Umm, no. The Phoenix is immune only against Blood Magic and has a 10% immunity against damage.
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forest001
Known Hero
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posted January 10, 2013 10:45 AM |
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JJ, this building sounds kind of broken 
it's like the broken armour from the heaven campaign, i would understand it as if it was a grail type building for dungeon but if it's normal building then that sucks a bit...
guess one will be always able to buff it's own units..
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted January 10, 2013 10:50 AM |
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If I understand this correctly JJ.
The BD is Immune to all Heroic spells (Fire ball etc.) and has a 30% (extra) resistance against all magic creatures.
Does the immunite include the Might abilities, like Pressed Attack or Charge? Or Can these be used on/against the dragon.
Also I asume the Dragen will have a sort of a might and also a magic attack, like most champions do to support both kinds of heroes. A melee bit as the might attack and an active breath as the magic damage ablitie.
And Also we should not forget the mesmerizing ability of the shadow dragons wings as it is hinted in its description.
So, if I am correct, we have a BD which can't be targeted or inflenced by Heroic spells, has a 30% resistance to aprox. 1/3 of all creature in game. Has a magic area active special attack and most likely has a an pasive ability to somehow limit other creatures...
Now, what are his disadvantage.... pleas tell me there are some.
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The faction has a lot of flyers, so they can storm the sieges at once, limiting the disadvantage of flyers (go behind the walls, do damage and die). Also With 3 winged units, think what the owl cape will do to this faction.
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JollyJoker
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posted January 10, 2013 10:52 AM |
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You did fight against Dark Elementals already, did you? I suppose you didn't have that much fun with buffing your own units against them, right?
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted January 10, 2013 10:55 AM |
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You did fight against Dark Elementals already, did you? I suppose you didn't have that much fun with buffing your own units against them, right?
Are you kiding me, Disspell abilities on top of this. So Magic hero is a bad idea Against them.
Well it could be worse. They could have change the Dark elemental bug from the fist versions into a feature (The one where they were 100% immune to Dark damage)
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forest001
Known Hero
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posted January 10, 2013 11:00 AM |
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i hate it when they do stuff like that...
game starts to go in right direction balance wise, and then they throw in something that is obviously overpowered and call it a day
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JollyJoker
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 10, 2013 11:01 AM |
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Last one was for Forest;
Dave, what do you mean, DISADVANTAGES? No Regeneration, no Life Drain on them, that should be it.
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forest001
Known Hero
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posted January 10, 2013 11:09 AM |
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no stoneskin no ice armour no vampirism, it's double edged sword, as it always been, but i assume that might hero attacks still work against it
btw, JJ don't tell me that the faceless ones or whatever they will be can dispel stuff like shadow elementals can?
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xerox
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
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posted January 10, 2013 11:12 AM |
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Also With 3 winged units, think what the owl cape will do to this faction.
i'm pretty sure Faceless are flying shooters, like the Succubi
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted January 10, 2013 11:12 AM |
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Last one was for Forest;
Dave, what do you mean, DISADVANTAGES? No Regeneration, no Life Drain on them, that should be it.
That is why I asked "Does the Heroic spell include Might abilities?" Cause when no, Reinforcements is all you need.
And btw. JJ since I do not play PvP I almost do not use Life drain or Regeneration in my games.
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i'm pretty sure Faceless are flying shooters, like the Succubi
Does this change anything. Yey we can now use hit and run tactics again. One stack of Faceless and owl feather cape and most melee units are out of order.
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