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markkur
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posted May 22, 2013 03:10 PM

A Visit to the Zoo

I've a Question and I request you respond but do not add lots of stuff you "think" related please, the minimum to explain your answer. I would never have asked but due to my health if all posters start the spider-web, it's very painful and tiring (impossible) for me to keep track of everything...it's also undesirable.

Since many here believe we came from Apes, I've just gotta ask;

How is it that Humans go to Zoos and look at Apes and Apes do not go to Zoos (by request)and look at Humans?

Days are a tad "testy" so if I'm slow to respond, please be patient.

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artu
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posted May 22, 2013 03:19 PM

Is this a joke? If it is, I don't get it.

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Minion
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posted May 22, 2013 03:33 PM

Why didn't the ape go to the Zoo? Waiting for the punchline.
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posted May 22, 2013 03:34 PM

No, not at all. It's a real question I have.

I'm asking because I do not understand how if science says we came from apes, why we still have apes? I'm, actually interested in how this is explained. Btw, I'm not wanting to attack anything, I just want to read the explanation.

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posted May 22, 2013 03:35 PM
Edited by Adrius at 15:36, 22 May 2013.

Oh uh... because we're a different species?

They followed their evolutionary path and we followed ours.
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posted May 22, 2013 03:41 PM

Hmm, so we're a member of one ape-like family but we both evolved differently, is that it?

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posted May 22, 2013 03:43 PM

Apes, as in primates, is a broad term, it does not mean Chimpanzee, Gorilla, Human, or Orangutan.

I can write more, but I'd like to know if I'm understanding the question right so I don't accidentally change the topic.
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markkur
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posted May 22, 2013 03:50 PM

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Apes, as in primates, is a broad term, it does not mean Chimpanzee, Gorilla, Human, or Orangutan.


TY, let's start there, what does it mean then? And to all, I know I can go on-line but like many say here you have to be sure of a Quality site and regardless, I would rather read Hero accounts.<L>

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artu
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posted May 22, 2013 03:53 PM

1- Evolution is not an upgrading process, it's about fitting to the environment, so a new line of species does not necessarily mean the previous ones will go extinct. For the gene pool to differentiate enough, a geographical separation is usually enough, for instance like a new river forming between the two groups.

2- Evolution is certainly not a belief. It's a fact as solid as the information that earth is not flat. Modifications may cause the theory to change here and there in the future but the fact of evolution is today, beyond reasonable doubt.

3- If you go back enough in time, we all come from a single cell organism, it doesn't go to the zoo either. What does going to the zoo have to do with anything?

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Minion
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posted May 22, 2013 03:54 PM

All humans originate from an ape-like ancestor that existed a few million years ago. It is false to say that we came from monkeys, that is not true. We had a common ancestor.
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posted May 22, 2013 03:55 PM
Edited by xerox at 15:57, 22 May 2013.

We're different species that share a close common ancestor.
I say close because we also share distant common ancestors and DNA with flies and snails.
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artu
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posted May 22, 2013 04:00 PM

I really don't care much about the "it's not an ape, it's a primate" stuff. If that primate was still around today, we'd call him an ape in every day language. So what? I don't understand all the sensitivity about the word monkey or ape. They are not specific species like chimpanzee or gorilla or baboon; they are used to describe a group of animals in general.

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markkur
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posted May 22, 2013 04:12 PM

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What does going to the zoo have to do with anything?


C'mon Artu move on from this, please. I grew-up hearing we came from apes; that scene just popped into my mind. AND it was meant to be funny; you don't think so, maybe it wasn't, I get it.

@All

Tomorrow.

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Hobbit
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posted May 22, 2013 04:24 PM
Edited by Hobbit at 16:25, 22 May 2013.

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Since many here believe we came from Apes, I've just gotta ask;

How is it that Humans go to Zoos and look at Apes and Apes do not go to Zoos (by request)and look at Humans?

The same reason why tigers, bears, rhinos, elephants, eagles etc. don't do that.

It's not about where do we come from, it's about people who have nothing better to do than to smile at animals and say "Whoa, they're pretty similar to us!".
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posted May 22, 2013 04:36 PM

I don't know but based upon your strange initial post maybe you should hop on down to the zoo. I think they might accept you.
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posted May 22, 2013 04:57 PM

I read that there is actually no proof that humans came from apes.

so is it a fact or just a theory?

hey, there are even people who think we are an alien creation. why did no other animal develop an intelligence such as ours?
evolution-wise that would be useful to them, since we are slaughtering them all.

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Minion
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posted May 22, 2013 05:00 PM

Yeah I saw this documentary Prometheus and that is pretty much what it said that happened.
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posted May 22, 2013 05:10 PM

Because man is the most vicious beast of all.
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artu
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posted May 22, 2013 05:20 PM
Edited by artu at 17:21, 22 May 2013.

Quote:
I read that there is actually no proof that humans came from apes.

so is it a fact or just a theory?

hey, there are even people who think we are an alien creation. why did no other animal develop an intelligence such as ours?
evolution-wise that would be useful to them, since we are slaughtering them all.


It is a fact and there is a working theory about that fact. Theory, in scientific terminology, does not mean assumption, that's a hypothesis.
And our traits like intelligence don't come to us like some special delivery order, they are the results of mutations that accumulate and the ones that result in advantage are passed onto future generations.

For a minute there, even if we take that alien thing for true, it is them that had to be evolved or miraculously pop up then.

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posted May 22, 2013 06:18 PM

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It is a fact and there is a working theory about that fact. Theory, in scientific terminology, does not mean assumption, that's a hypothesis.
And our traits like intelligence don't come to us like some special delivery order, they are the results of mutations that accumulate and the ones that result in advantage are passed onto future generations.



Oh please. I'm not a young earth creationist but saying evolution is a proven fact is just plain wrong. Evolution is a theory that has not been proven and is constantly being modified. Evolution is a theory of history and can't be repeated.

Evolution is certainly not universally agreed upon and the dissent is not all religious people. Lets keep things honest.

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Scientists not only have been unable to find a single undisputed link that clearly connects two of the hundreds of major family groups, but they have not even been able to produce a plausible starting point for their hypothetical evolutionary chain.
--Shapiro, 1986



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Not only has the fossil record failed, but findings of modern scientists have made general evolutionary theory even less tenable. In ''Evolution: A Theory in Crisis,'' for example, Michael Denton methodically analyzes a wealth of evidence that challenges this theory. His subjects include the failure of homology (homologous structures not being represented by homologous genes nor embryonic development); the typological nature of microbiology, and problems associated with chance as a directive force, in addition to the lack of a supportive fossil record.

Contrary to popular belief, many people disagree with the theory of general evolution, and the idea that all opponents base their views on religious belief is groundless. Michael Denton is neither a creationist nor an evangelical Christian, and his book is one of several to challenge evolution on scientific terms. Moreover, having religious beliefs does not preclude the ability to reason scientifically. Many great scientists - Isaac Newton, Carolus Linnaeus, Georges Cuvier and Louis Pasteur, to name a few -were devoutly religious.

Even in Darwin's day, scientists who opposed evolution were charged with irrationality and religiosity. But they did not attack evolution on religious grounds; rather, they protested its lack of scientific proof and pointed to the evidence that supported a typological nature. The creationists were attacked as scientific heretics, while supporters of evolution - refusing to admit the lack of evidence - became the true heretics, replacing scientific foundations with metaphysics.


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