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krs
Famous Hero
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posted June 04, 2013 10:32 PM |
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Time for a Heroes 7? How about a mix between all existing ones?
H6 has nailed it to the letter with visuals and animations! Personally I could not dreamed for better. But what good all the eye candy when gameplay is lacking to say the least. For some to such an extent that (like myself) resort to playing older incarnations of the series.
But what if a mix could be made? Care to share an opinion?
HIII subforums thread
(I made the post in H3 subforum since it is more related to that one, but most likely people having issues with the current H6 would be as interested).
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Hungarest
Known Hero
What? Why? I'm undefeatable
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posted June 04, 2013 10:43 PM |
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If, We want, to be correct, It's time to change Publsher/Developer, and make Heroes VII . 
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted June 04, 2013 11:07 PM |
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Change of Developer: Likely.
Change of Publisher: Hardly realistic.
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krs
Famous Hero
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posted June 04, 2013 11:39 PM |
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Edited by krs at 23:40, 04 Jun 2013.
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I never bet but I can make an exception in this case...
There will be no H7 in the next 3-5 years! (at least not in the form that we would expect). And that is mainly because of Heroes Online.
With that, a great percentage of players will have an alternative. Plus H6 is about as good as they can make it in many aspects. They have now a stable universe/story, shared between games thy cannot easily touch that. They cannot/should not reinvent the graphics.
Imo the only major thing they could improve from H6 is skill tree, but that by itself cannot justify a whole new game. So with all these in mind... a nice H3 mod is the best alternative for those who like the series.
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
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posted June 04, 2013 11:46 PM |
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There will be no H7 in the next 3-5 years! (at least not in the form that we would expect). And that is mainly because of Heroes Online.
I don't think Heroes Online will interfere in Heroes VII. They are very different games.
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krs
Famous Hero
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posted June 04, 2013 11:59 PM |
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Of course Heroes online is not like what H7(6) should be in anyway, but I would argue that it is similar and complex enough so that it does appeal to quite a significant number of the series fans.
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Elvin 
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted June 05, 2013 12:57 AM |
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Two factions. Nuff said.
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krs
Famous Hero
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posted June 05, 2013 09:43 AM |
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They are doing it the smart way imo. Release a working version of the game that people can test, rate add suggestions. Start making some money right away and then build upon that with player reaction in mind (hopefully). And by keeping the game as pre-beta, beta you transfer a lot of testing to the players.
If only it was done like this for Heroes 6...
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted June 08, 2013 01:30 AM |
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I'd go for a HIII with beautiful graphics (may as well be in 2D but one can dream..) + racial specialisations HV style. Things from H6 ? I don't like that many, as I miss very much most of the features that has been removed (ressources, mage guilds, random skill tree, to say the least..), I found town conversion kind of cool though, but hate the easy teleport system, area of control why not, but I say it again, mix between H3 & H5 for me would be best.
All that being said, WoG, Sagamosa, Succesion Wars, HoL, HotA mods to name a few, will the future of HMM be as good as those in spirit ? From Ubisoft I highly doubt it.
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DarkDXZ
Known Hero
Haiku sensei
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posted June 08, 2013 05:16 PM |
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They should make a remake of an older Heroes game ie. Heroes IV.
That game was awesome, but the aesthetics kinda brought it down.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted June 08, 2013 07:19 PM |
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Yeah.. HIV wasn't that popular, but some features sure could be implemented. If there was a remake to do I really think it is H3, I feel like repeating myself but I mean, which other Heroes has had so much modding ??
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jackissocool
Hired Hero
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posted June 25, 2013 04:19 PM |
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I'd love the combat and units from H6. I really like the three-tier system, the depth of combat, and the large number of unique creature abilities. I think 6 easily has the best system for units.
I would want the skill system of H5. I loved the huge variety of builds available, and it was a great balance between random and controlled skill selection. The skill wheel was always really fun and satisfying. I also want the racial skills to be back. They added a very distinct twist to every town.
,and I don't like how they were dumbed down in H6. I do like Dungeon's, though. I think the magic system should have the schools of 6 but the mage guilds of 3.
And finally I want the maps of H3. They always had such huge variety and so many things to do. H5 was especially bad in this respect. H6 is better, but it's not as good as H3. The return of a quality RMG would be nice, too.
It would also be nice to have some good AI for once.
All of those elements in the world of Ashan would make me very happy. I think H6 is generally a good game. But the skill system especially seems like a mistake.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted June 27, 2013 09:18 AM |
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How exactly are tier 1 units crossing entire battlefield within 2 turns max the best system. Not to mention they are under squares.
H6 is a failure on so many aspects that they are only two ways for enjoying it :
- you are too young and didn't know H3
- you are too much of a fanboy of the franchise for too long and force yourself to like it
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted June 27, 2013 01:13 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 13:27, 27 Jun 2013.
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- you are too much of a fanboy of the franchise for too long and force yourself to like it
Ha ha ha, so true 
I wonder how it would work out if Heroes VII would focus on the Dragon Gods. I mentioned it a while back in one of the threads that I would love to see those "central pieces of Ashan" actually show themselves in the game. Maybe a change of mechanic? Each faction can choose a Dragon God (proper affinities of course) as a "patron" which gives various abilities or spells. Factions would stay the same, but you could tinker your play style (focus on aggression, economy etc). Of course this would need a lot of work and testing, which I'm afraid isn't Ubi's specialty
Most of you will probably say "Uh, dragons, so cliche". But did anyone actually made a strategy game in which dragons are the center piece? Everyone talks about how dragons are omnipresent, but is their role that important in any game? No, usually they are mindless creeps made for farming exp, or just higher tier units and that's all...
And yeah, I'm a "bit" of a Dragon fan ...
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Adrius
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Stand and fight!
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posted June 27, 2013 02:02 PM |
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I'd say a H3 HD edition in the same manner as Age of Empires 2 HD should be the next step.
Would be pretty cool.
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DarkDXZ
Known Hero
Haiku sensei
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posted June 27, 2013 04:47 PM |
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I'd say a H3 HD edition in the same manner as Age of Empires 2 HD should be the next step.
Would be pretty cool.
Heroes 3 is the LAST Heroes game in a need for an HD remake, given stuff like WoG or VCMI. It's still live and well, it doesn't need anything, really.
Heroes IV, on the other hand is in dire need of a remake. Or at least it's more justifiable to remake H4 than H3. Maaybe also H2, but I never played H2, so I can't really support that opinion.
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"If I can't determine whether people are trolling or not within a moment's notice I will just start flailing with this chainaxe without any particular aim besides general slaughter." - Adrius
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Adrius
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Stand and fight!
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posted June 27, 2013 05:40 PM |
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To the common man WoG/vcmi sounds like vile sorcery.
I'm sure AoE had a decent mod following as well but the remake did give the game quite a resurrection.
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted June 27, 2013 08:43 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 20:43, 27 Jun 2013.
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Well, there's always Horn of the Abyss (unfortunately not in English), which I think of as the pinnacle of modding. It doesn't change any mechanic, while giving a completely new faction. Not a redo, not some random copy-paste texture collage, not a replacement for one of the original factions. No, an entirely new faction made from scratch. Like a real expansion pack. Throw in Heroes 3 HD application and you really don't need a remake 
My massage to Ubi: "stay out of remakes, grab some of those $$$ that you made on "Creeds" and deliver a polished, fresh new "Heroes" entry for all those fans that you've been milking all this time... they deserve it!"
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted June 27, 2013 10:41 PM |
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Heroes 3 is the LAST Heroes game in a need for an HD remake, given stuff like WoG or VCMI. It's still live and well, it doesn't need anything, really.
Heroes IV, on the other hand is in dire need of a remake. Or at least it's more justifiable to remake H4 than H3. Maaybe also H2, but I never played H2, so I can't really support that opinion.
I don't know, I think many fans out there would love to have a H3 with a real HD remake, even a H3 in 3D, if it's very well done. My personal dream would be a mix between H3 and H5 with beautiful graphics (2D or 3D). Meh H4, it would need some serious improvment. I'll just post my opinion about H4 and why it didn't work for me :
- Heroes on the battlefield
As innovative as it was, I recall having incredibly weak hero in early game and just way too powerful at end game, so powerful that he didn't even need an army to destroy everything, I mean, wtf.
- Castle sieges
I really didn't like how this was done, you couldn't hit enemies from distance but you could when you where behind the wall, like you were some kind of giant. Units on top of buildings didn't really made much sense either. No catapults if I recall right ?
- This is really personal but, I was really stunned that no upgrades were available. I really think upgrading creatures has a big part of charm in the game.
- Units walking by themselves, without a hero ? C'mon.....
Other features as well but those are the main, as I recall now.
On the other hand, there were some things I really liked, like for instance :
- Caravans (reminds the big fail with easy teleportation and creatures pool in H6)
- Racials and skills
- Schools of magic
- Forced to make choices in buildings constructions : if you build Naga bank, you can't build Altar of Wishes, this feature really added strategy and variety in my opinion.
Also a few selected on the spot.
On the overall, H4 could have been a great game, but even if everything worked out, it is a lot different, to different in my opinion, from a Heroes game. Still a Heroes game, but a completely different one, and I think too far apart from original spirit. So far that it was the last made by 3DO (or NWC whatever).
To end this, what I really don't understand is, H3 is undoubtly the peak of the series, so why the need of changing everything ? Evolution musn't be revolution.
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blob2
Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
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posted June 28, 2013 10:53 AM |
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Edited by blob2 at 10:54, 28 Jun 2013.
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On the overall, H4 could have been a great game, but even if everything worked out, it is a lot different, to different in my opinion, from a Heroes game.
Still, it gave me more fun and play hours then H5+H6 altogether. Not as much as H3 though. Either it's because those were that much less interesting or I might be possibly tired with the same formula after H3 as the pinnacle, and H4 as the best alternative take on the franchise. I can't really tell I'm still waiting for that "perfect" continuation of the franchise...
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