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leybra
Tavern Dweller
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posted June 29, 2013 02:59 AM |
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Compatibility issue
Hi guys,
I need some help because I'm stuck on a problem since last week and can't find any solutions anywhere.
I installed the cleanest Heroes 3 Complete possible, then installed ERA2.43 and finally "Heroes Renovated" MOD.
The game runs perfectly on my Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit, and also runs on my Windows 8 64bit but crashes when I browse rampart heroes (Never have the chance to select Mephala for example, since there's a new picture for that hero) If I select a hero with an orignal picture, the game will start, but will crash if I go in the tavern and a "renovated hero" is there for selection.
What can be the problem? Windows 8 64bit, ERA 2.43, or the MOD itself? I thought about a screen resolution, but the problem is not there.
Is there a download link for older ERA version, because I'd like to try other version to eliminate the possibility that the latest ERA has a bug.
Is there a new link for uploading a crashlog.txt? forget about h3nl@narod.ru, it doesn't work anymore. that link should be updated when a crash happens.
Thanks
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artu
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted June 29, 2013 04:17 AM |
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Edited by artu at 04:41, 29 Jun 2013.
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If it's only Rampart, you have another mod or wog option turned on, which also modifies Rampart and conflicts with Heroes Renovated. The mod comes with a wog options setting file, did you use it?
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted June 29, 2013 04:51 AM |
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Why people never think first to upload a save so we don't lose time to ask for one, then he posts again...instead they just say it crashes, how can anyone know why it crashes?! It could be 1000 reasons, all of them area readable in a saved game.
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gnollking
Supreme Hero
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posted June 29, 2013 05:29 AM |
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Since it's not a problem just on a single scenario, but instead, whenever a faulty portrait is trying to display, uploading a save might not be the first thing to think about for someone new(?) like Leybra here.
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how can anyone know why it crashes?! It could be 1000 reasons
Judging by his description it is quite obvious why it crashes. Either the game can't find the portraits, or they're faulty (wrong size, format, whatever). The reasons for this can be many, but the first thing I can think of is a badly installed mod.
I suggest you try the game with the Heroes Renovated mod turned OFF (it is the only mod, no?)(with the help of the Mod Manager (..ERA/Tools/Mod Manager/modsmann.exe)), and see if the problem still persists. If no, try reinstalling the mod and see again.
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artu
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted June 29, 2013 05:45 AM |
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Edited by artu at 05:59, 29 Jun 2013.
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He says the problem exists while the mod is on already, thats not an if. But no one else using the mod has the same problem. Now that you mention the problem occurs while selecting hero, it's before wogification so wog settings cant be it, it is another mod or corrupted download as far as I can guess.
Leybra, you can not see this?
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted June 29, 2013 09:05 AM |
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F11 on a save will extract all active scripts in your data folder. From there you can find the reason of the crash. With wog 3.58 a save was mostly useless, with era a save is all you need.
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leybra
Tavern Dweller
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posted June 29, 2013 09:10 AM |
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Edited by leybra at 16:21, 29 Jun 2013.
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Thank you guys for your help.
Salamandre, I'm sorry if my post seems to upset you, but at this point, since the problem comes BEFORE the game begins, it would be hard to post a saved game, don't you think?  If you talk about a Wogcrashlog.txt, yes the game creates the file no matter where I am in the game. If you need it, please tell me where to post it.
Yes artu, I tried your wog settings (also with no settings, and the default settings) Always the same results. To answer your question about Mephala, no I can't see her, but if I scroll heroes heroes to left first (to see the last hero, Aeris) I can see him, but not the next one (Alagar) because the game crashes again. I talked about the rampart, but the same problem happens in any other faction.
I ran the game with only 2 MODs : WOG (2.43, absolutely necessary, otherwise the game don't start at all) and Heroes Renovated.
I tried with and without Yona, Wog revised, etc, no changes...
gnollking, I did what you said, I mean turning off Heroes Renovated and the game runs fine, so I redownloaded the Mod and same bug happened again.
Since the entire game + all Mods are portable, I copied a working copy (yes, the heroes renovated mod works fine on my Pc with Windows 7 Ultimate 32bit) on a usb media and transfered the whole folder on my best Pc with Windows 8 64bit on it. That's where the game can't work well for an unknown reason. When I retry to play Heroes WOG on my Pc with Windows 7 directly from the usb media, it also works well, so there's no corrupted files anywhere. I must say that before I tried this, of course I installed a fresh Heroes 3 complete on my Windows 8 64bit Pc (By the way, my processor is a Intel core i5-3470 CPU @ 3.20GHz with 10.0 GB RAM)
At this point, the clues we have are that the game crash on windows 8 64bit with Era 2.43 + Heroes renovated, and on windows 7 Ultimate 32bit we can't make the crash happen.
The Pc with Windows 8 64bit can handle the game when Heroes Renovated is not loaded, but that doesn't mean the Mod in incompatible, the new 2.43 may have broken the compatibility with this Mod, unfortunately I don't have earlier version of era to make the test.
I also tried to run H3era.exe in all possible compatibility mode (Windows 7, vista, xp, win95) that didn't change a thing.
One of the few things left to try would be to plug another screen with lower resolution because I can't go under 1024X768 with this one. But it would be surprising that this would be the reason.
I'm waiting for other suggestions.
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leybra
Tavern Dweller
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posted June 29, 2013 09:41 AM |
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Don't know if this can give a clue, but if I don't select a conflicting hero to help me starting a game, this is what I see:
ERM Syntax error
FILE: String
LINE : 55
REASON :
STRING : Index is already used
Save all ERM vars to WOGERLOG.TXT (may take time)?
I can't go further in the game, so a saved game in the game is impossible.
First time I saw this message, I tried to save (because we have the option to try to save or not) but the game have frozen, so the only way was able to quit was CTRL+ALT+DEL
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted June 29, 2013 10:45 AM |
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Is Era installed on clean H3 without wog? What map are you playing? Can you start same map with heroes renovated disabled?
You can delete everything after Time Stamp: Sat Jun 29 06:16:06 2013, the content is not relevant.
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artu
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted June 29, 2013 01:18 PM |
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If this is just a problem you encounter under Windows 8 64-bit, and it seems custom pictures displaying is the cause of crash, it may have something to do that I modified them with an 32-bit Photoshop. However, that is just a guess. If you have no problems under Windows 7, why not keep on playing there? The game wasn't meant for Windows 8 anyway.
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leybra
Tavern Dweller
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posted June 29, 2013 05:13 PM |
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Edited by leybra at 17:14, 29 Jun 2013.
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Yes Salamandre, ERA is installed on a clean Heroes 3 complete. There is no specific map, and if I disable the Mod, the game can run without problem.
I tried something that makes me think the new pictures have something to do with the problem : on any map, I select rampart and pick Aeris as my starting hero, so with wogifying or not (I tried both), I'm able to start a game. At the very moment that I want to go in the tavern inside my rampart town, if a hero with a new picture is there, the game crashes. So just before I don't have other choice to click a last "ok" before the game closes, I'm lucky enough to see for a split second that there's no picture for heroes in the tavern.
artu, you may be right that heroes3 wasn't made for windows 8, but thank God it works anyway. The biggest problem comes with the transition form 32bit to 64bit. Tons of programs can't handle it.
Like you said, it may have something to do with how you modified the pictures, I'm not good enough in programming to understand why just a picture could cause a crash.
Is there a way I could try to use the Mod with all the new features, but with the original pics? This possibility needs to be tested.
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artu
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted June 29, 2013 05:20 PM |
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Sure, open mod folder in Era 2/Mods/Heroes Renovated/Data
Remove all pcx files that starts with hpl and hps. Although there is probably a very simple way to make them compatible with Win 8.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted June 29, 2013 05:30 PM |
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Try to enable portraits mods and see if it does same thing. You can find 3 of them in 60 mods for era thread. (Strikerx, Valex and portraits manager)
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artu
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted June 29, 2013 05:59 PM |
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That wont solve anything, maybe they used a process/method compatible with Win 8 and I didn't.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted June 29, 2013 06:34 PM |
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Well let me ask him for a few necessary steps then it will be solved after I gather the necessary data about. You don't propose anything besides removing everything, so...
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Era II mods and utilities
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leybra
Tavern Dweller
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posted June 29, 2013 06:37 PM |
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Very good call my friends 
I tried Vallex Portraits Mod alone and it worked fine, when I tried both at the same time, the pics that were not modified by artu changed without problem to the Vallex sets, but when 2 modified pics "encountered", the one in Heroes Renovated took over, but the game crashed.
So I downloaded a free pcx viewer to see if there's something with the pics themselves and I can see them all in my windows 8, so the pics can be seen, but not in the game for some reasons.
Next thing I did was a "mashup" of the 2 mods : I renamed the Vallex portraits.pac file to "Heroes renovated.pac" then copied and replaced the artu's file. I deleted the vallex mod and ran the game.
Now I see the new pics from vallex, but again, the artu's pcx file takes over and the game can't go further.
So I deleted all the pcx files and the game finally ran fine. The heroes have new pics, but benefit of all the artu's changes.
So maybe artu, if it's not to hard to do, you could try to "incorporate" your pcx files in your pac file like in the Vallex Portraits Mod. This may be one of the way to make your Mod fully compatible with any systems, 32bit, 64bit or anything else.
But still, that doesn't explain why my system refuse to load your pictures when my other Pc can handle it. The obvious at this point is that Windows 8 or something else on my pc refuse to deal with single .pcx files. At least we have a Mashup Mod to play the game
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artu
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted June 29, 2013 06:53 PM |
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Edited by artu at 18:57, 29 Jun 2013.
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I dont have Win 8 so I cant test any compatibility on it. I like the method of placing pcx files in data folder because they are easy to modify one by one that way. Btw, try opening the pic files in Win 8, use save as and replace them with themselves. That may do the trick.
Other than that I dont understand why the easiest way to test wasn't removing the pcx files to a back up folder which would give you the same result.
Oh and since you have win 8 you can test this, moving the pcx files to the Heroes Renovated pac file may solve the issue. The MMarchive program in Era folder will let you open the pac file and I hope you didn't delete HR pac file by replacing it with Vallex portraits pac file. That was an unnecessary step IMO.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted June 29, 2013 07:02 PM |
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Ok, create a pac file then place Artu pcx inside. Your win8 does not read pcx from mod/data folder.
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artu
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted June 29, 2013 07:15 PM |
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Why a new pac when we already have the Heroes Renovated.pac ?
Leybra, it's in the data folder of the mod btw.
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leybra
Tavern Dweller
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posted June 29, 2013 08:08 PM |
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Ok I worked on something else. I restored the Vallex Portraits.pac and reinstalled the HR with all the files. The original HR.pac must be there because I found something wrong with some "specialty" pics when the original pac file is deleted.
Thanks for the info, I'll use MMarchive and I see if this works.
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