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Thread: Master of Magic
EvilLoynis
EvilLoynis


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The Dark Shadow
posted July 29, 2013 09:05 PM

Master of Magic

 I recently started playing this game again and was surprised when I couldn't actually find a thread on it here already started.  I guess I shouldn't be so surprised as I had to start a Master of Orion 2 thread as well.

 For anyone interested in purchasing this game it can be bought at gog.com (good old games)regular price is only $5.99 US.  It comes fully configured to work through dos box with no extra work from you.

 It's been said before but needs to be said again, if you prize graphics to highly this game is NOT for you.  This game was released back in September 1994 so don't expect a miracle with the graphics.  Otherwise this game has a great deal of replayability and multiple ways to win.

 My favorite path to victory is by using Heroes and making them super artifacts.  My usual picks are Artificer, Runemancer, Myrran with 2 bookx in each Life/Chaos/Nature.  I also usually choose High Men for eventual Paladins.  The Art + Rune combo makes my artifacts only cost 25% of normal so I can crank them out.  I actually can make mana/money this way because breaking them gives back 50% of their normal cost so I am actually getting back double my investment.  An item that normally costs 400 and gives back 200 only costs me 100 to make and I still get back the 200 like normal.

 So what are your favorite combinations and why do you like them so much?
 
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SKPRIMUS
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The One and the Prime
posted August 01, 2013 05:14 PM

An astounding game, one of a kind...got it in gog Atari sale 2wks ago, not played yet due to another more addictive game right now,
but in past, I liked pallys & elven lords & spamming towns & light spells (lionhear & Torin), also loved the fact one could take advantage of a captured race to produce their interesting unit...many interesting races
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b0rsuk
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posted August 01, 2013 11:42 PM
Edited by b0rsuk at 23:50, 01 Aug 2013.

Master of Magic has quite active forums at Realms Beyond:
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?fid=15

The unofficial Insecticide patch by kyrub is of special interest. It changes very little in terms of gameplay, but fixes pages of bugs and improves AI (for example AI now likes to assemble stacks of 4+ units rather than sending them one by one like in a Bruce Lee movie). Because AI lost half of its retardation, AI bonuses on higher difficulties have been lowered (especially Impossible).

Official thread and changelog:
http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthread.php?tid=3663

Unfortunately, the official download link is down so you have to get the 1.40n version here:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/ton_hur/files/mom/

Do you remember the "11 Life books, summon Guardian Spirit, Invulnerability, Endurance" strategy ? It's no longer as effective. I have discovered that the Invulnerability spell was impossible because of a bug. Fixed.
Bugged spells that worked directly against you - Subversion, Aura of Fear - now work. Demon Lord got slight buff as a result.
Great Wasting had a bug which made it absolutely devastate morale rather than just damage it.
High Prayer, Prayer got a nerf because a bug caused them to boost defense more than designed.
AI now creates artifacts and equips heroes with them.
Call Lightning, Animate Dead should now work without risk of corrupting savegames.
AI priests now cast Heal in combat.
Suppress Magic no longer makes the game stuck by blocking Spell of Return.
Diplomacy should no longer be broken
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Various interface improvements, bugfixes.
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Zenofex
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posted August 02, 2013 06:28 AM

Quote:
An astounding game, one of a kind...
You might want to try Dominions 3.

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b0rsuk
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posted August 02, 2013 02:39 PM
Edited by b0rsuk at 14:40, 02 Aug 2013.

Zenofex said:
Quote:
An astounding game, one of a kind...
You might want to try Dominions 3.


You might want to try Dominions 4.
http://www.illwinter.com/dom4/




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SKPRIMUS
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The One and the Prime
posted August 04, 2013 04:53 AM

Zenofex said:
Quote:
An astounding game, one of a kind...
You might want to try Dominions 3.
Maybe I'll have to wait till available on gog, because I try to buy physical game officially if I can.  Or hope Dom4 is ok...or even Worlds of Magic, but oh I hate isometric view!

Back on topic, thanks B0rsuk for those links, hope it works with gog version.
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EvilLoynis
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posted August 04, 2013 05:38 AM

 Well to actually try to get this topic back on track there is another VERY good fansite for Master of Magic and it is the MoM wikia.

masterofmagic.wikia.com

 It's for the official version that you can get from gog not the fanmade Mod "Insecticide" although most of the info is good even for that.  It is updated by fans like me and you so register if you want as it's a good way to keep track of any questions you may ask.

 Also the gog.com site has a forum just for MoM as well and that's a great place to ask questions as well.

www.gog.com/forum/master_of_magic

b0rsuk said:

Do you remember the "11 Life books, summon Guardian Spirit, Invulnerability, Endurance" strategy ? It's no longer as effective. I have discovered that the Invulnerability spell was impossible because of a bug. Fixed.


 Actually this was fixed in the official version not because of the mod.

 For those who want to know the Invulnerability spell gave quite a few nice bonus's.  It gave your unit the ability called Weapon Immunity which raised it's defense score to 10 vs any normal unit without magic weapons, or enchantments like Holy Weapon,  Eldritch Weapon and Flame Blade.  It also reduced any damage that actually got through by exactly 2.



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posted August 04, 2013 05:21 PM
Edited by b0rsuk at 17:44, 04 Aug 2013.

EvilLoynis said:

 Actually this was fixed in the official version not because of the mod.



Incorrect.
Some websites host kyrub's patches calling it the latest official patch. That's because they are are either misinformed, or full of snow and don't like to give credit. Note they use exactly the same wording for list of changes. The patch was NOT made by Simtex, Simtex doesn't exist since 1997.
But that's not your fault.

(example: http://games.softpedia.com/get/Patch/Master-Of-Magic-Patch.shtml )

They even got the version number wrong - it's not 1.31, it's 1.40n. The number is unchanged in the changelog, if you click on it from the Softopedia website, but the zip file is stripped of all Insecticide README files. So it's malice.

By the way, latest Insecticide at the moment of this writing is 1.40n. If you download it from some linkbait website, make sure you don't get an earlier one.
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Zenofex
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posted August 05, 2013 01:02 AM
Edited by Zenofex at 01:03, 05 Aug 2013.

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You might want to try Dominions 4.
Pre-ordered. They took their time with this one, I thought it will never see light.
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Maybe I'll have to wait till available on gog
That might take quite some time. I haven't seen any of Illwinter's games on mainstream shops like GOG, probably because their prices are usually high for indie games. Until recently they were tied to a particularly inflating publisher - Shrapnel Games - and the price of games like Dominions 3 was 50-55$ (after they dropped it, the prices went down and now you can find it for some 25-30$). The game's worth every penny and more but in the age when 95% of the n00bs will discard even a masterpiece if it doesn't have shiny graphics and brainless mechanics, that's too much.
Anyway - physical copies are hard to come by as far as I know so just go for the download.

No more off-topic, I promise.

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b0rsuk
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posted August 05, 2013 12:38 PM

Dominions is a good game, but it's not VERY much like Master of Magic. Master of Magic had very developed and vertical tech tree and city management. In Dominions 3, there are 3 buildings you can put in a province:
- laboratory
- temple
- fortifications

It's a wargame. Yes, spell research is even more advanced than in Master of Magic, but there's no tactical combat where you can control your units (you give orders in advance, which is great for multiplayer and PBEM). It's mostly about army movement, sudden strikes, capturing provinces. Dominions is very far from Civilization. Try a demo, it's one of few games with demos available.
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Gandalf196
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posted April 04, 2021 05:23 AM

Master of Magic will have a glorious return this April 22

- Runs natively in Windows
- Freely resizeable game window, not locked to any specific aspect ratio
- Up to 13 enemy wizards
- Variable map size
- Additional game modes/options
- 21 new spells
- Improved UI and production queue system
- Improved AI
- Seamless, procedurally generated terrain
- Improved item creation, new item powers
- More diplomacy messages which now all depend on the AI's personality

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1557960/Master_of_Magic_Caster_of_Magic_for_Windows/
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Blob-Ohmos the Second
posted April 04, 2021 10:38 AM

Interesting, I missed the original game (was pretty young at that time and didn't even have a PC back then), so this will be a good chance to expierience the classic.

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