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destro23
Promising
Famous Hero
Keeper of GrongGrong
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posted March 28, 2002 08:11 AM |
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Need some opinions
OK heres situation
Map: Random XL/under (hive Template) 8XM8
play long long game.. month 2 week 4 type of thing maybe into month 3..
I come to find that my area is completely isolated.. I am bound to approximately 15% (liberal estimate) of map. While opponent has free reign over the remainder.
Rule is no fly/dd
I have 1way liths out.. 2 exits, which both drop me about 5 steps away from opening door in my area..
In my opinion this is a bum map that a winner cannot be declared over.
Don't get me wrong I have no problem reporting a loss, but I think its not a fair map. Sure its a very long game for someone to play expecting some sort of reward ie: pioints, nice big final battle..
So I just wondering what your opinion is.. should I report a loss or call this a draw game?
My opponent seemed very angry when I told him that I was completely trapped, and wanted to grab the spellbinders and come fight..
Opinion... doesn't seem fair to me
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The Dead Walk!!!
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted March 28, 2002 08:19 AM |
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Edited By: Jinxer on 28 Mar 2002
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Well in this case if Ddoor or Fly is available to you I would say that you could use it to get out. Dont use it for anything else except for getting in and out of your area. It is obvious that you are not using it for an early break or anything since its almost month 3. Plus the saves would support your situtaion.
However on the FLip side look at it this way, he cannot get in!!!! So if he wont agree to a draw then just sit in your town until month 27 and if he gets board to death he offer a draw.
Jinxer
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Frank
Promising
Known Hero
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posted March 28, 2002 09:39 AM |
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When you are trapped (no physical ways out of your land), for me it`s a draw no matter what.
I found that Random L/XL with no under are more likely to give this situation. Especially if you see a one way exit lith at the end of your road and 100% of the time when your main casltle doesn`t have a road. If you see those layouts, don`t waste time. Restart.
- Frank
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chubby051
Promising
Known Hero
King of All That Are Fat
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posted March 28, 2002 09:46 AM |
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I agree with Jinxer. If the guy wants to be a prick about it, force a draw. Don't let this a$$ have the enjoyment of reporting the win. Just my opinion.
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Trees Grow Taller in the Shade
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wiggy_wam
Promising
Famous Hero
local pirate
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posted March 28, 2002 06:17 PM |
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ironmlh
Known Hero
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posted March 28, 2002 07:23 PM |
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Been there
I have been there too Destro.
Luckily my opponent had some common sense and we just started a new game. SOunds like your opponent has no real understanding of the meaning of `trapped'.
If you are landlocked and have no way out and he has no way in.. well then its a draw plain and simple.
Next time... i recommend not playing that person....add him/her to your DNP list.
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"Knowledge has discarded all biblical teachings"
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madmartigan
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
who will never walk alone
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posted March 28, 2002 07:59 PM |
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Jinxer says it all
-no more comments- 
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted March 28, 2002 10:15 PM |
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Well my opinion may be dif but a question how long did it take you to realize you were trapped because usually I find out in first week of my surroundings & should be restart if like in the first week but if it's in after first week you can compromise with your opponent but i'm trying to be honest not dicking around but it's the players fault if he knew he was trapped & it's already month 3.
Dont be mad of my honesty but I dont know what was agreed.
Thanks ,
But since of his outrageous attitude of backing from his word dishoner him I defanately have no fun if my opponent does not win or lose.
You know if my opponent was trapped I would defanately give a restart thats me though.
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Dreaming of a Better World
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Hexa
Responsible
Legendary Hero
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posted March 28, 2002 10:47 PM |
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three words
trapped is restart!@
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If you want to realize your dreams >>> you have to wake up!@
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destro23
Promising
Famous Hero
Keeper of GrongGrong
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posted March 28, 2002 11:07 PM |
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Aculias because of the template (8XM8) which is populated by massive massive stacks of guards for relics, roads, liths, or really anything you want to do it took a long while to discover this. Also 15% of a map that puts a stack 45 clops kings for fun around is quite large.
So After exploreing vast expanses of underworld, dead end after dead end, and saving the many weeks of troops it took to break down some of the guardians.. I discover close to the start of month 3 that indeed I was isolated with no escape.
Also I had taken every box/relic/scroll/utopia in my area to find no DD or Fly, there were 2 towns total in my blocked area, fortress(my town) and a castle.. So no way of getting DD or Fly from one of those guilds either.
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The Dead Walk!!!
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted March 28, 2002 11:25 PM |
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I made a mistake & I know if my opponent was in that situation I would give a restart I choose restart lol yea
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Dreaming of a Better World
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madmartigan
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
who will never walk alone
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posted March 28, 2002 11:56 PM |
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yup
Quote:
three words
trapped is restart!@
regardless of the time you discover that you are trapped 
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bjorn190
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Jebus maker
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posted March 29, 2002 12:26 AM |
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If someone is land locked, I think its a draw and/or a restart.
But no matter what you think, or what your opinion is, you DO have a no fly/DD rule, so there is no way he can win. So its a draw accorcing to the rules.
On the other hand, since toh doesnt have any rules, he could easily DD in and win =)
But my conclusion is that your game should be a draw, and that the person you played might need to be in HOS eventually.
U see.. he is be suc 
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MidnightWraith
Adventuring Hero
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posted March 29, 2002 12:56 AM |
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Sounds like a Video map
gee what r u complaining about? u should go and get a good video, let ur 4 min timer roll and every half hour come back and buy ur troops, and allow the other guy another month or two to clear the remaining 85% of the map and do a triple build and get every spell possible and take another 8 utopias b4 flying over at his own leisure
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Undead_Knight
Known Hero
Hero of Chaos
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posted March 30, 2002 12:38 PM |
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its draw because of rule agreement, or you can report loss with opponent shows no honor if he want his win so much
about restarts : when I played random maps sometimes my opponent started to cry that he is in small area guarded by something strong and so on, while I see lev 7 dwelling near my city and other good things, so its clear that chance to win is very high, after I agreed to restart all seemed to be normal for me, but now opponent had great luck and won because of it. It happened several times, I reported losses but had feeling that these persons stole my victories. I think your opponent has the same feelings after you proposed restart when it was clear that you are losing.
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bjorn190
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Jebus maker
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posted March 30, 2002 04:10 PM |
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Quote:
I think your opponent has the same feelings after you proposed restart when it was clear that you are losing.
But he isnīt losing in any way. Thereīs no way they can reach eachother since they canīt use fly or dd, so nobody can lose. Itīs impossible.
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Prometheus
Adventuring Hero
Knight of the Oracle
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posted March 30, 2002 05:48 PM |
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One or both players landlocked = draw by default. No matter what spells are available or what rules are in effect.
Either player noticing the situation is obligated to inform their opponent immediately upon recognizing the situation and also informing them of whether they choose the default draw or they choose to accept the situation. If the player chooses to accept the situation then the opponent also has the option to declare a draw (because he may not be able to get in or out) or he may choose to accept the situation also. But noone should be pressured to play onward in hopes of spells or arts to remedy the dilemna.
This person you played, Destro, should have understood the risk they undertook in playing a random to begin with. I liked Frank's post which offers some early indicators of trouble.
Prometheus
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