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OmegaDestroyer
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posted November 21, 2013 04:27 PM
Edited by OmegaDestroyer at 16:38, 21 Nov 2013.

Peanut Butter & Jelly: The Most Racist of Sandwiches

I never really expected to create a topic with such a bizarre subject line, but here we are.

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According to the Portland Tribune, Verenice Gutierrez, principal of Harvey Scott K-8 School, "picks up on the subtle language of racism" on a daily basis.

"Take the peanut butter sandwich, a seemingly innocent example a teacher used in a lesson last school year," the Tribune said.

“What about Somali or Hispanic students, who might not eat sandwiches?” Gutierrez asked. “Another way would be to say: ‘Americans eat peanut butter and jelly, do you have anything like that?’ Let them tell you. Maybe they eat torta. Or pita.”


The full article can be found here.

So let me ask you this: have you ever felt that a food was racist? Or have you ever felt that someone's choice to eat a peanut butter & jelly sandwich was being racist towards you?  I think the principal is just looking for something to crusade against and is really grasping at straws to do so.
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posted November 21, 2013 05:19 PM

Isn't this VW stuff?
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posted November 21, 2013 05:23 PM

Wat.

Uh no that's not rascist. Either he's very misguided or something has been lost in translation or something.

A food being rascist would be something akin to a certain kind of chocolate balls in Sweden earlier being named "n*****balls" (the n word). They changed it to guess what, chocolate balls.

Naturally every sensible person was just "that's cool" since they didn't like using the word in the first place while the mostly rascist community was absolutely horrified about "political correctness" attacking their precious Swedish rascistballs.

But yeah... that's about the one thing that comes to mind.
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posted November 21, 2013 05:30 PM
Edited by OhforfSake at 17:46, 21 Nov 2013.

I've never felt discriminated against based on food unique to certain cultures. I too think it's really grasping at straws here.

I could to some extend understand the issue if people were forced to eat stuff they wouldn't want to, but that doesn't seem to be the case here?

It'd be nice if there were someone overseeing the tax payer budgets who could simply say no to this kind of "nonsense"..

The_Polyglot said:
Isn't this VW stuff?


It's when such an amazing quality among posts roams in the wasteland that one get accustomed to only the best of the best, but I'm sure this will be a great topic like so many recently.

I'm sure Corribus is quite capable of determining which posts belongs were.

Adrius said:

A food being rascist would be something akin to a certain kind of chocolate balls in Sweden earlier being named "n*****balls" (the n word). They changed it to guess what, chocolate balls.


You know, that's an interesting example. We've had a similar occurrence here, directly translated to English it also becomes "n-word balls".

So I tried to look a bit into the history of it, as far as I could tell, it's something like this:
N-word basically means black, and in old days, people could just as well have called their slaves for "blacks" in stead, but the N-word was what caught on.

Because the horrible way these people were threated, very negative association is linked to the "N-word". It links to skin color, because these people were named the "N-word", because of their skin color, but I'd say it's just as horrible to call anyone the "N-word", not because of the color of their skin, but because of the history associated with the word, which basically calls for any victim of such to be linked to these horrible events.

Therefore, had the term "blacks" caught on in stead, I'd not be surprised, if "black" was censored and we'd maybe use the N-word in stead.

I think it's relevant to know that for a person who does not know the history of slavery, the N-word does not seem bad, because any word without context and tone is just sound. At least that's my opinion.

Therefore I'd not hold it against people, especially people you won't usually expect to have this knowledge, or you have no idea what to expect from due to lack of information, to use the N-word, as it's most likely, to them, associated with the upbringings of their own, rather than the history of the word.

The "N-word balls" product is about 200 years old, from what I could find, while the N-word itself originated some ~400 years ago. But public education in, say, my country, is 1-2 decades younger than that, so I do not believe 200 years ago it'd be common knowledge to associate the "N-word" with horrible past events. Rather I believe, maybe naively so, that the N-word was chosen back then, simply because it means "black".

Oh and balls is of course a mistranslation, but I think it's used on purpose for humor.

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posted November 21, 2013 05:49 PM

Adrius said:

A food being rascist would be something akin to a certain kind of chocolate balls in Sweden earlier being named "n*****balls" (the n word). They changed it to guess what, chocolate balls.
Naturally every sensible person was just "that's cool" since they didn't like using the word in the first place while the mostly rascist community was absolutely horrified about "political correctness" attacking their precious Swedish rascistballs.
But yeah... that's about the one thing that comes to mind.

Yeah, we had something similar a few years back and ever since the "politicaly correct" have been trying to change al kinds of foods since.
We've had marshmallowcream filled chocolates called negrokisses, which have been forced to change it into kisses. With negro being markedly less racist in Dutch then the n-word. Since then both gypsysauce and gypsyschnitzels have had to change their names to spicy sauce and peppered schnitzels and there have been a few more foods that have changed as well out of fear of being dragged down into this.
The only food that has so far resisted have been jew cookies, as the jewisch family that holds the rights to that name adamantly refuses to allow it to be changed.
As in Sweden, it appears, the nationalists and the politically corrects are crying bloody murder at eachother over this whenever a new food is found. People who fall into neither camp usually find that both sides are making mountains out of molehills and are wasting everybodies time with their BS.
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posted November 21, 2013 06:02 PM

I think the name conventions gets out of hand when they claim racism by naming a food after something people identify with.

I can understand the N-word, because while there are groups of people who call each other that, it's not derived from a meaning of slavery which it's generally connected to.

On the other hand, people who identify themselves as Jews also identify with the history of Judaism, which is the history behind the word, which makes it very odd to ban, and I'd imagine it's mainly due to Jew being a historically negatively loaded up till and during WW2.

On that occasion, however, people still identified themselves with Judaism, merely tried to keep quiet about it due to the craziness that was occupying the world at the time. Therefore I find it weird to ban the term Jew based on racism.

I'm not familiar with the story of gypsies, but I think they've typically been rejected and accused by society for many monstrosities, but I think the real question is if the people who're called gypsies identify themselves with the history behind the word, or if it's something which other use to link them to horrible past events.
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posted November 21, 2013 06:04 PM
Edited by Adrius at 18:07, 21 Nov 2013.

I ****ing hate the term politically correct, usually just used by idiots who use it against anything that challenges their douchebaggery, oh you're just being politically correct by confronting me about how dickish I'm acting etc.

My experience says that acting politically correct can be perfectly translated into "doesn't act like a bag of dicks".

My stance is that if the word has a negative meaning associated with a certain "race" or culture then it's just offensive and meaningless to have it on a piece of food.

I personally don't consider "gypsy" to be a negative word for instance, but it might be in your country. Or they're just trying to be consistent with their rulings maybe, which I would consider fine as well.

I still find limiting it to words that offend a race/culture kinda sensible though since otherwise you'd maybe end up renaming foods called "french" for instance, which would be kinda massive

Hoping to not be drawn into a discussion about the definition of "offensive" or something... I mean, we get it, because we're sensible people who understand social history and ****, hopefully.
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posted November 21, 2013 07:11 PM

All political correctiveness needs to die out, like, right now. It's all just censorhip and tyranny.
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posted November 21, 2013 07:12 PM

Adrius said:
I personally don't consider "gypsy" to be a negative word for instance, but it might be in your country. Or they're just trying to be consistent with their rulings maybe, which I would consider fine as well.


I very much agree with you, Ad, but on the quoted part, I'd like to point out that consistency can be arrived at without the need to ban words unnecessarily.

Like you write yourself, words negatively associated with a "race" of people, so in stead of banning all "race" words, merely ban those with those associations. That's what I'd do.

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posted November 24, 2013 04:39 PM
Edited by Baklava at 16:41, 24 Nov 2013.

Well, my current girl is half-Muslim, her mother hailing from the Islamic part of Bosnia, and father an orthodox Christian from around here.

My girl's grandma (that is, her mom's mother-in-law) never was, shall we say, a proponent of mixed marriage. We all know that the feud between a woman and her mother-in-law is as old as time itself, but with religious disparity and a freaking WAR shoved in between, naturally, hilarity ensues.

One of the facets of this silly rivalry that lasted until they finally got used to each other some twenty years later was, of course, food. Copious amounts of food and drink are an integral part of Balkanic culture and the crucial part of every holiday or ceremony.

Now, we have this thing called the slava, where every family has its patron saint which it celebrates on his day every year. This is possibly the single most important bit of Serbian tradition as we are the only folk on the planet that does this, and are hence the best at it. Today is, coincidentally, my slava, and we have some 50 people coming over. Along with the priest and his aide casting Mass Bless and Prayer and everything (brandy being their Magic Well). We have roast pork (an entire large-arse adult pig chopped gleefully and remorselessly into tiny bits), as well as a goat and some 200-ish sarma (traditional rolls with cabbage and meat) at the ready, along with several kinds of ham, cheese and salads, 8 kinds of dessert, and amounts of alcohol that would put a small Russian town to shame. As you can see, this is a considerable feast, pretty much broad enough for anyone's taste, except, of course, a vegetarian's.

When you're a member of the people of God (it is a common mistake made by many non-Serbs that the people of God are, in fact, Jews), you need to keep up your appearances, and the slava is a wonderful opportunity to meet up with friends and family and traditionally vigorously discuss how the government is driving us to the verge of starvation.

Anyhow, the said mother-in-law would invite the young pair (my girl's parents) to her slava (which exact saint you celebrate is a hereditary thing so, in a way, this became her slava as well).

So she would invite her Muslim daughter-in-law to her slava.
And there would be nothing but pork on the whole slava.

There would be roast pork, cabbage rolls with pork, pork ham, pork delicacies, everything except the salad and the dessert was pork, and I'm not sure about the salad.

On the flipside, my girl's mom actually has no problem with eating pork. She was never a hardcore Muslim in the first place. But now she didn't want to taste anything on general principle. She sat around all evening radiating utmost loathing, plotting vengeance and putting salad on her toast.

The moral of the story is something we can all learn by taking a good look at the Balkans (another common misconception being that there was, actually, a reason for the war that happened here). There is nothing on this world, no matter how tiny or irrelevant to any existent or non-existent issue on the planet, that cannot be used in an offensive context if you're creative enough. There is no excuse silly enough for human conflict. So you can try and ban everything large enough for someone to be able to write "I HATE BLACKS" on, or you can laugh it off and go with the flow. The more you overly concern yourself with political correctness, the more of a bother it becomes.

Considering the son of such a conservative nationalist mother ended up marrying a Muslim (which is far from an isolated case) - I'll just keep believing that peace, love, merciless ridicule and the generation gap will heal all that shyte in time. Laissez-faire.
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posted November 24, 2013 05:23 PM

So Ad, how are those politically correct Jultårte going for you?



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posted November 24, 2013 06:55 PM
Edited by xerox at 18:55, 24 Nov 2013.

wtf is jultårte?'

but yeah, I find these type of non-issues so silly
like some swedes considered this racist so the company removed the stereotypical chinese face



and my reaction's like


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posted November 24, 2013 07:46 PM

I looked at the thread title and thought, hey, this must be a good one. I read the opening post and then scrolled to glance over everything else - yep, walls of text. Is there anything you guys WON'T write bloody essays about?
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posted November 24, 2013 08:02 PM

Baklava said:
Well, my current girl is half-Muslim,

I'm not quite convinced this is possible.  That's like saying you're half Atheist.
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posted November 24, 2013 08:04 PM

Or half retarded.

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posted November 24, 2013 08:13 PM

JoonasTo said:
All political correctiveness needs to die out, like, right now. It's all just censorhip and tyranny.


I agree with this. If there were no black slaves, there would be no racism.
all this crap was born in america.
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posted November 25, 2013 12:36 AM

kipshasz said:
JoonasTo said:
All political correctiveness needs to die out, like, right now. It's all just censorhip and tyranny.


I agree with this. If there were no black slaves, there would be no racism.
all this crap was born in america.

Except slavery was instituted long, long before the Americas were colonized by anyone from England, racism and wars based on racial superiority or cultural superiority had been waged far before that, and the US was hardly the only country that had social revolutions to overthrow racist laws, terms, discrimination and segregation. Hell, people are still fighting these in basically every African country, throughout the middle east and in Poland, Ukraine, Russia, etc, etc. For example, the Romani people, aka the Gypsies, are still persecuted in the vast majority of European countries, and they have only ever been in European countries (except for a few small families that made their way to the Americas to ESCAPE said discrimination, only to find that their neighbors were still the same dick heads they ad left behind...). So did the US somehow send send ripples back in time to cause this behavior?

If you are talking about political correctness, on the other hand, you are still wrong. That was started in Britain/ France, who banned slavery and had its social revolutions long, long before the Americas. Unless, again, the US has some kind of Tardis or something which it can use to go back in time and change these things.
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posted November 25, 2013 12:43 AM

Corribus said:
Baklava said:
Well, my current girl is half-Muslim,

I'm not quite convinced this is possible.  That's like saying you're half Atheist.


With some fantasy everything is possible! Maybe her other half is also Muslim? But knowing Bak, my guess is that she's a Siamese twin.

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posted November 25, 2013 05:57 AM

Or maybe nobody wants those gypsies near because they are capable to transform in no time a civilized and nice area into a stinky and chaotic rubbish, while boosting the local criminality by hundreds percent. I think the term of dick-head, as you use it, Gnomes, is not applied to the right side.

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posted November 25, 2013 08:22 AM

I'd like to be able to say "Only in America" but sadly I can't...
Why can't you americans keep your weird racial taboos to yourselves!


None of us had problems with racial equality into the 1950s in Europe but we have to deal with this type of crap as well as evident by the poster talking about the chinese face.

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