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Thread: [Official Thread] HoMM 3: Horn of the Abyss - Announcements, Questions, Features This Super Thread is 564 pages long: 1 70 140 210 280 350 420 490 ... 555 556 557 558 559 ... 560 564 · «PREV / NEXT»
gatecrasher
gatecrasher


Famous Hero
posted January 01, 2025 09:42 PM
Edited by gatecrasher at 23:03, 01 Jan 2025.

Maybe the new Eagle Eye should rather be called "Telepathy", "Perception", "Awareness", "Apprehension", "Insight", "Intuition", "Divination", "Anticipation", "Empathy", "Susceptibility", "Concentration", "Theurgy", "Prescience" or "Vocation" instead.

It isn't just about long-distance labiomancy and peeking at hanky-panky gestures anymore. It also involves retrieving spells from a closed spell book and learning spells on the fly.

Would make it feel more like a magic/"mind art" skill rather than being tied to beyond 20/20 vision.

Haven't tested yet, does the new Eagle Eye require Wisdom for high level spells? I think it shouldn't.

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mitsche91
mitsche91


Adventuring Hero
posted January 01, 2025 10:14 PM

Like many others I would like to thank the HotA team for giving us new features and content on a high level again!
I really like the vibes of the new town. It seems much darker than the concept of Kronverk did. This would fit perfect into the whole town concepts of HotA.
Happy new year and enjoy playing

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FdgK
FdgK


Known Hero
posted January 02, 2025 12:28 AM

Having a Vori elf faction with Jotun, Yeti etc. crushes my last faint and admittedly very unrealistic hope that one day, there could have been an ultimate version with both HotA and DoR combined.

Anyway, very interesting stuff!

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Gerglie
Gerglie

Tavern Dweller
posted January 02, 2025 01:46 AM

Man this is so cool! I love the new secondary skill changes. These are long overdue in HoMM3, especially the war machine updates!

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Spartak
Spartak


Hired Hero
posted January 02, 2025 01:12 PM
Edited by Spartak at 21:03, 16 Jan 2025.

FdgK said:
Having a Vori elf faction with Jotun, Yeti etc. crushes my last faint and admittedly very unrealistic hope that one day, there could have been an ultimate version with both HotA and DoR combined.

Anyway, very interesting stuff!
Not so long ago, about 10 years ago, we had only 2 good cities - Cove and Bastion.
Now there are many new quality projects.
And the amazing dor, and the intriguing tok, and a large number of small, but no less cool projects (Preserve Town).
Just enjoy
It's better to have both bulwark and palace in different universes than to have neither one nor the other.
Happy New Year!
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FdgK
FdgK


Known Hero
posted January 02, 2025 02:31 PM

Don't get me wrong, I am incredibly happy that both exist. I was just dreaming of a possibility of one day joining both since they seem to be up to the same quality standards.

Anyway, Happy New Year to you, too.

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LordInsane
LordInsane


Known Hero
posted January 02, 2025 03:25 PM

In a campaign note, it seems Kastore imported some Factory technology back to Deyja... it's funny how well Horn of the Abyss' campaigns are setting up an alternate backstory for Forge.

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E1ChuRich
E1ChuRich


Adventuring Hero
posted January 02, 2025 03:38 PM

LordInsane said:
In a campaign note, it seems Kastore imported some Factory technology back to Deyja... it's funny how well Horn of the Abyss' campaigns are setting up an alternate backstory for Forge.


Thats sounds cool!
It would be awsome if both HotA and DoR exist as continuation of original lore without retconing eachother (exept that Forge backstory you mentioned).
In that note I would have prefered that HotA team made dwarf faction of Bulwark based on continent od Jadamee and let DoR tell the story of Vori since they started first (probbably). But oh well.

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MurlocAggroB
MurlocAggroB


Known Hero
posted January 02, 2025 06:32 PM

E1ChuRich said:
In that note I would have prefered that HotA team made dwarf faction of Bulwark based on continent od Jadamee and let DoR tell the story of Vori since they started first (probbably). But oh well.


Technically we don't know that Bulwark represents Vori yet. It seems like the logical choice, but we can't rule out it being something else.

(Also, in terms of predating, Bulwark's predecessor Kronverk was from like 2008 or earlier.)

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E1ChuRich
E1ChuRich


Adventuring Hero
posted January 02, 2025 06:57 PM

MurlocAggroB said:

Technically we don't know that Bulwark represents Vori yet. It seems like the logical choice, but we can't rule out it being something else.

(Also, in terms of predating, Bulwark's predecessor Kronverk was from like 2008 or earlier.)


Bulwark has spear throwing snow elfs so thats the "proof" it represents Vori.
Also it's sad it also has Jotunns and Yetis like DoR's Palace.

As for original Kronwerk. If I remember correctly it had dwarven and norseman units.

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Spartak
Spartak


Hired Hero
posted January 02, 2025 07:10 PM

E1ChuRich said:
Bulwark has spear throwing snow elfs so thats the "proof" it represents Vori.
Also it's sad it also has Jotunns and Yetis like DoR's Palace.

As for original Kronwerk. If I remember correctly it had dwarven and norseman units.
Bulwark has been in development since the end of 2007. In 2008, Hota was formed, and this project was one of its towns. We have a lot of ideas, they were constantly transforming, but the main lineup was approved about 10 years ago. Now that our team has more 3D artists, the work process has accelerated.
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Spartak
Spartak


Hired Hero
posted January 02, 2025 07:14 PM

The name Bulwark was chosen for the English localization, since the term kronwerk has German roots.
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E1ChuRich
E1ChuRich


Adventuring Hero
posted January 02, 2025 07:34 PM

Spartak said:

Bulwark has been in development since the end of 2007. In 2008, Hota was formed, and this project was one of its towns. We have a lot of ideas, they were constantly transforming, but the main lineup was approved about 10 years ago. Now that our team has more 3D artists, the work process has accelerated.


I know. I was there Gandalf 10 000 years ago eagerly awaiting Kronwerk and Cathedral .

If I understand correctly you are one of the HotA modders?

If so can I ask you have you guys considered co-working with DoR team? Or atleast have towns/campaigns separate from eachother. It seems a shame to have 2 Vori towns if for example we can have 1 Vori and 1 dwarven/norse town (sth like original lineup).

If I see correctly DoR did not "step on any shoes" while making its content I believe they will also scrap Couatl and Juggernout units or unit names in order not to have duplicates with massivly popular HotA mod (best mod ever made for h3 as of yet).

All im hoping is that one day we can have ultimate perfect heroes 3 game with both HotA and DoR content hopefuly original and different but equaly polished.


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Spartak
Spartak


Hired Hero
posted January 02, 2025 08:09 PM

Hota and Dor are different projects. Fundamentally different projects. We did not plan crossovers.
I like Dor, and I will definitely play for Vori's cryomancers.
Bulwark is not only a new faction in the game. It is the history of the Might and Magic world as interpreted by the hota crew.
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Tevye
Tevye


Adventuring Hero
posted January 02, 2025 08:25 PM
Edited by Tevye at 20:27, 02 Jan 2025.

Different perspectives of a similar general idea have always been a thing in HoMM III modding, even with, say, the Forge. We can scarce afford to scrap years' worth of conceptualizing and reinvent the Bulwark/Kronwerk yet again. It has been a part of HotA forever, even if dormant for a prolonged time. Same goes with the overall storyline. However, I can tell you that the Bulwark is going to be very different from the Palace, so much so that it shouldn't hinder your experience if in the end you happen to like the two projects equally. Just approach it like you're perusing different hypotheses in interpreting some events that took place millennia ago, and you'll be golden.

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E1ChuRich
E1ChuRich


Adventuring Hero
posted January 02, 2025 08:33 PM

Tevye said:
Different perspectives of a similar general idea have always been a thing in HoMM III modding, even with, say, the Forge. We can scarce afford to scrap years' worth of conceptualizing and reinvent the Bulwark/Kronwerk yet again. It has been a part of HotA forever, even if dormant for a prolonged time. Same goes with the overall storyline. However, I can tell you that the Bulwark is going to be very different from the Palace, so much so that it shouldn't hinder your experience if in the end you happen to like the two projects equally. Just approach it like you're perusing different hypotheses in interpreting some events that took place millennia ago, and you'll be golden.


I understand. Thanks for answering.
Well if Bulwark and Palace  will be as different as Factory and Forge it will be no problem.

Also is it just me or has HotA team become more active? You guys seem to deliver content on much more regular basis and it's amazing. With Factory and now major patch with brand new campaign we are getting spoiled.

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phoenix4ever
phoenix4ever


Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
posted January 02, 2025 09:25 PM
Edited by phoenix4ever at 21:27, 02 Jan 2025.

Sorry to say, but the new Learning breaks some maps. (including mine)
Some maps are set up with Quest Guards or Quest Gates for heroes to reach a specific level, before they can be passed. The new Learning gives you +3 levels and +75% more XP, meaning a lot more levels.
This means that Learning becomes mandatory, in cases like that.

I understand it is hard to balance Learning, as it was considered (almost) useless before, but now it has the potential to break some maps.

The difference between level 25 and level 30 heroes can also be pretty great, in relation to hero specialties, for example Offense, Armorer or Logistics.

For now I am actually considering banning Learning...

Maybe a middleground between the old and new Learning could be done?

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gatecrasher
gatecrasher


Famous Hero
posted January 02, 2025 09:37 PM

Every change like this one breaks backwards compatibility to some extent.

I don't understand your example about Quest Guards in pre 1.7.2. maps.
How does Learning become mandatory if you could reach the required level before w/o Learning?

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phoenix4ever
phoenix4ever


Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
posted January 02, 2025 09:40 PM
Edited by phoenix4ever at 21:43, 02 Jan 2025.

Because new Learning makes it MUCH easier to reach the required level aka Learning is mandatory now.
Some of those events might be one time bonusses, so the first hero to reach them will get the reward.

Oh I forgot Seer's Huts might also ask for a specific level.

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Tevye
Tevye


Adventuring Hero
posted January 02, 2025 09:41 PM

We do not rule out further tuning the skills, but we first need to amass some data from real games. We did run a closed session of testing with experienced players before the release, but, naturally, we are not a powerful studio with the means to test everything extensively for months and with dozens of testers; therefore we could not possibly account for every last situation the change would bring about. Unfortunately, some scenarios becoming broken after changes like what we introduced this time is an inevitability, and we understood it full well, but fixing what used to be completely unusable was a must that outweighed this drawback. In time, the changes should drift to a sort of balanced state; we do not plan on doing anything like regular meta shake-ups in the future.

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