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MattII
MattII


Legendary Hero
posted September 17, 2014 11:24 AM
Edited by MattII at 11:30, 17 Sep 2014.

H5 had plenty of good ideas, but H3 worked right out of the box on most computers of the era.

Nocturnal said:
If you think H3 had better GRAPHICS than H5, my words end there, sorry.
Maybe not better, but easier to navigate.

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Doomhammer
Doomhammer


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Smasher of pasties
posted September 17, 2014 11:47 AM

Galaad said:
Doomhammer said:
the newer generations have not even played homm3 and so would see the game mechanics and systems as old and taking a step back compared to homm5 or 6. Basically what im saying is homm3 was/is a great game for 1999 but we expect much more these days and deservedly so.


This is wrong on so many levels. It is quite the opposite, H6 was the most major step back in the franchise, lacking around 80% of gameplay features. Even H5, having similar game mechanics than H3, was a step backward due to generic universe and graphics (this hasn't been said enough already?).




I can see where you are coming from but im sorry a remake of homm3 exactly the same but with better graphics is not a step forward or taking the series to the next level.... It is simply just a remake of a old game with nothing new to offer. Sounds kind of boring to me

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Avirosb
Avirosb


Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
posted September 17, 2014 11:57 AM

Speaking of spicing things up a little, how about in M&M:H8 we'll get to explore another continent for a change, hmm?

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Alex_Yakub
Alex_Yakub


Famous Hero
posted September 17, 2014 11:58 AM
Edited by Alex_Yakub at 12:00, 17 Sep 2014.

If I wanted to play Heroes3, I would play Heroes3. If I wanted to play new Heroes game, I would play new Heroes game. See, it's easy.
EDIT: That would be interesting to say the least, Avirosb!
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Moriak71
Moriak71


Hired Hero
posted September 17, 2014 12:04 PM

Doomhammer said:
Galaad said:
Doomhammer said:
the newer generations have not even played homm3 and so would see the game mechanics and systems as old and taking a step back compared to homm5 or 6. Basically what im saying is homm3 was/is a great game for 1999 but we expect much more these days and deservedly so.


This is wrong on so many levels. It is quite the opposite, H6 was the most major step back in the franchise, lacking around 80% of gameplay features. Even H5, having similar game mechanics than H3, was a step backward due to generic universe and graphics (this hasn't been said enough already?).




I can see where you are coming from but im sorry a remake of homm3 exactly the same but with better graphics is not a step forward or taking the series to the next level.... It is simply just a remake of a old game with nothing new to offer. Sounds kind of boring to me


Just to say - taking to the next level doesn't mean to do less then before. I'm not defending H3 here and I do not want a remake.IMO - H3 was something extraordinary at it's time but H5 and H6 not.
I'm thinking - do we have anyone on this forum who never played H1,2,3? I mean - is there anyone new on this forum who fell in love with H5 that he is joining this community? Maybe we should create a poll to check.

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Sal
Sal


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posted September 17, 2014 12:08 PM

I think it is easy resumed.

Post here a link to any H5 or H6 online tournament. Then I post actual H3 tournaments (even today), and we see who's bigger

Good game: people want to play against each other. This includes a variety of parameters, as fast playing, simple and clean view of game features, bugs free, decent AI, and so on.

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MattII
MattII


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posted September 17, 2014 12:16 PM

Doomhammer said:
I can see where you are coming from but im sorry a remake of homm3 exactly the same but with better graphics is not a step forward or taking the series to the next level.... It is simply just a remake of a old game with nothing new to offer. Sounds kind of boring to me
At least we'd get a game which would (hopefully) work right out of the box.

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Galaad
Galaad

Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
posted September 17, 2014 12:38 PM

Doomhammer said:

I can see where you are coming from but im sorry a remake of homm3 exactly the same but with better graphics is not a step forward or taking the series to the next level.... It is simply just a remake of a old game with nothing new to offer. Sounds kind of boring to me


And why do you think 15 years later H3 is still so popular, actively modded and played ?

Because original atmosphere never got the see modern resolutions.

Artistically speaking, the step from 2D to 3D resulted in a complete change of universe, thus making immersion another experience from original one.

ALL old HoMM fans wish to see this very atmosphere well served by modern graphics and resolution. Artists would have to redraw everything, enhance it to the point no one would play previous titles anymore. On top of that fix and improve well known H3 flaws like HoTA is presently doing.

Boring ? HoM&M gaming formula lies in two fundamental components : Atmosphere (graphics) & Gameplay (replayability).

HoM&M3 had successfully established solid ones.
Its formula is certainly not what needs to be changed to improve the game, its a brand that only needs to improve what is already working like a charm, and changes of creatures for the best.

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blob2
blob2


Legendary Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
posted September 17, 2014 12:54 PM
Edited by blob2 at 13:05, 17 Sep 2014.

Galaad said:
ALL old HoMM fans wish to see this very atmosphere well served by modern graphics and resolution. Artists would have to redraw everything, enhance it to the point no one would play previous titles anymore. On top of that fix and improve well known H3 flaws like HoTA is presently doing.

Boring ? HoM&M gaming formula lies in two fundamental components : Atmosphere (graphics) & Gameplay (replayability).

HoM&M3 had successfully established solid ones.
Its formula is certainly not what needs to be changed to improve the game, its a brand that only needs to improve what is already working like a charm, and changes of creatures for the best.


+1

And I actually think they should still try (maybe as a spin-off of sorts) a 2D/2,5D Heroes. Not for the graphics alone, I think simplicity (easier navigation etc) serves TBS games. And arguments like 2D strategies are remnants of a bygone era are not valid. Look at how stylized retro 2D indie platformers (or "pixel" games) are popular these days... and no, Heroes Online is some kind of a half-baked product, not an actual game...

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Moriak71
Moriak71


Hired Hero
posted September 17, 2014 01:12 PM

Galaad said:
Doomhammer said:

I can see where you are coming from but im sorry a remake of homm3 exactly the same but with better graphics is not a step forward or taking the series to the next level.... It is simply just a remake of a old game with nothing new to offer. Sounds kind of boring to me


And why do you think 15 years later H3 is still so popular, actively modded and played ?

Because original atmosphere never got the see modern resolutions.

Artistically speaking, the step from 2D to 3D resulted in a complete change of universe, thus making immersion another experience from original one.

ALL old HoMM fans wish to see this very atmosphere well served by modern graphics and resolution. Artists would have to redraw everything, enhance it to the point no one would play previous titles anymore. On top of that fix and improve well known H3 flaws like HoTA is presently doing.

Boring ? HoM&M gaming formula lies in two fundamental components : Atmosphere (graphics) & Gameplay (replayability).

HoM&M3 had successfully established solid ones.
Its formula is certainly not what needs to be changed to improve the game, its a brand that only needs to improve what is already working like a charm, and changes of creatures for the best.


+1

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Storm-Giant
Storm-Giant


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
On the Other Side!
posted September 17, 2014 01:24 PM

Avirosb said:
Speaking of spicing things up a little, how about in M&M:H8 we'll get to explore another continent for a change, hmm?


And bloody new factions.
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LizardWarrior
LizardWarrior


Honorable
Legendary Hero
Age of erwins is over
posted September 17, 2014 01:36 PM

Nocturnal said:
verriker said:
Nocturnal said:
H5 had a much better skill sy

If you think H3 had better GRAPHICS than H5, my words end there, sorry. And don't get me started about the epic H5 soundtrack.




Yes, H5 had a better skill system. But compare the graphics of Heroes V with other games graphics from 2006, then compare the graphics of Heroes III with other games graphics from 1999. The fact is that everything is relative here as software and technology improves year by year. Also this is a matter of taste and personal opinions, these things can't be enforced

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