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Lokheit
Lokheit


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posted November 02, 2014 03:04 AM
Edited by Lokheit at 03:22, 02 Nov 2014.

GenyaArikado said:
the coral priestesses were fake medusas. afawk the actual medusa could have powers to actually petrify


"Medusa/Medusa Sorceress: walker with ranged attack and mesmerizing ability. Saboteur."

They kept mentioning the "renegade Medusas" before the voting and if you've played Duel of Champions, nagas are all about "mesmerize" which this one is stated to have while no "petrify" is mentioned.

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cleglaw
cleglaw


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posted November 02, 2014 03:34 AM

@Lokheit

some good read there, almost agreeing with your all points, but i would like to point out somethings:

minotaur has no retaliation because i guess they consider it as "hits so heavy, that it dazes its enemy to a state of no retaliate" logical to me. also this changes somethings in terms of gameplay. they are safe-to-hit creatures but they are also not really tank. it hits, but doesnt soaks damage for your next creature. this is where the shield of darkness shines. manticore soaks damage... or so to say, new unit strider. you are kind of granted with 2 options here. you can use your walker strider or use your flier manticore. if they design strider more of a tank, and manticore as a more of a damage dealer then it may become much more logical. i guess they are planning to do this, because after all, strider is a construct made off special resource -shadowsteel-. it sounds pretty much tanky.

to me, in elites, MTS provides a strong ranged unit but lacks a flier creature.

and generally speaking, MTS is already short on fliers, with a possible hydra pick it may become really painfull to take towns/pass obstecles. it still has powerful ranged units, but this is probably not really enough.

p.s: blade line-up is terrible in all aspects, esspecially with its mocking-ridicilous shadowcorn/nightmare. i dont even wanna show respect to talk on it. im either way happy as long as blade gots rejected in first round

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Shambell
Shambell


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posted November 02, 2014 03:40 AM

Also on Medusae, the description of the Staff of the Tides:

Quote:
As Asha herself, all the Dragon-Gods have several aspects. Shalassa is no exception: she can be the benevolent sea, the source of life… but she can also be the furious waves of destruction. This second aspect of Shalassa, the Wrecker, is considered to be a heresy in the Naga Empire and its worship is thereby forbidden. However, it happens that some Pearl Priestesses hear the dark call of the Wrecker coming from the depths of the ocean and are tempted to become its servant. When their heresy is discovered, those renegade Pearl Priestesses are banished from the Naga lands. They become known as Medusae, dangerous creatures living in remote islands and sunken ruins. While Medusae are known to be solitary, they occasionally join pirate crews, or unite to form small sects dedicated to the Wrecker. They can then join their powers to summon tsunamis and tempests to destroy merchant ships and even small coastal villages.


So Medusae are Naga Outcast worshipping a destructive aspect of Shalassa...
I see why they could be neutral but I don't know how they would fit inside Dungeon.

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GenyaArikado
GenyaArikado


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posted November 02, 2014 05:56 AM

Lokheit said:
GenyaArikado said:
the coral priestesses were fake medusas. afawk the actual medusa could have powers to actually petrify


"Medusa/Medusa Sorceress: walker with ranged attack and mesmerizing ability. Saboteur."

They kept mentioning the "renegade Medusas" before the voting and if you've played Duel of Champions, nagas are all about "mesmerize" which this one is stated to have while no "petrify" is mentioned.


fair enough

Shambell said:
Also on Medusae, the description of the Staff of the Tides:

Quote:
As Asha herself, all the Dragon-Gods have several aspects. Shalassa is no exception: she can be the benevolent sea, the source of life… but she can also be the furious waves of destruction. This second aspect of Shalassa, the Wrecker, is considered to be a heresy in the Naga Empire and its worship is thereby forbidden. However, it happens that some Pearl Priestesses hear the dark call of the Wrecker coming from the depths of the ocean and are tempted to become its servant. When their heresy is discovered, those renegade Pearl Priestesses are banished from the Naga lands. They become known as Medusae, dangerous creatures living in remote islands and sunken ruins. While Medusae are known to be solitary, they occasionally join pirate crews, or unite to form small sects dedicated to the Wrecker. They can then join their powers to summon tsunamis and tempests to destroy merchant ships and even small coastal villages.


So Medusae are Naga Outcast worshipping a destructive aspect of Shalassa...
I see why they could be neutral but I don't know how they would fit inside Dungeon.


in the same way we have humans in every faction, elf vampires and demon angels: snow happens. Im sure it'll be explained in their description

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Danny
Danny


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posted November 02, 2014 07:20 AM

Medusa is still a lazy unit if it comes from a different faction, only to retcon it to have some more nostalgia in Dungeon. Everything except the Harpy appears now one way or another through the 3 lineups.

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alcibiades
alcibiades


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posted November 02, 2014 08:24 AM

blizzardboy said:
Srysly people. What's the deal? Shield of Darkness is easily the coolest line up. There is objective proof to it: they have manticores and those evil construct thingies and troglodytes. It's like a tank version of Dungeon.

No matter how hard I try, I simply can find no love what so ever for those constructs. There are so many cool and classic creatures they could fit into the line-ups of Dungeon, and instead they choose to put in no less than TWO of them a creature that a) has no history in the franchise, b) has no mythological history, c) doesn't fit the theme of the faction at all, and d) has severe overlap with the themes of one of the other factions.

I mean, seriously, WTF?
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Kronos1000
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posted November 02, 2014 09:04 AM
Edited by Kronos1000 at 09:08, 02 Nov 2014.

When I first heard about the Strider, I thought they sounded interesting, although the risk of them not fitting Dungeon is quite big. I'll reserve my judgement until I see the artwork.
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Kimarous
Kimarous


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posted November 02, 2014 09:13 AM

So long as they don't look like a palette swap of the Academy golem, all is well in my eyes.

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GenyaArikado
GenyaArikado


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posted November 02, 2014 10:20 AM

Im expecting robo spiders :3

Anyway vote Malassa, vote Medusa.

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Kimarous
Kimarous


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posted November 02, 2014 10:46 AM

Blade dropped a percent and Shield gained one! 29/46/25 at this point - we're gaining!

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Doomhammer
Doomhammer


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posted November 02, 2014 10:47 AM

The shield of darkness for me.

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War-overlord
War-overlord


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posted November 02, 2014 10:49 AM

Ok, I've seen people complain about this every which way to Tuesday. So I ask people to explain something to me.
Where does the ridiculous notion come from that Faceless are "supposed" to be equal to Angels?
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Elvin
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posted November 02, 2014 10:53 AM

The fact that they are the angel's greatest adversary, doesn't mean they are equal in strength. Besides they have the advantage of playing dirty and have a shared consciousness, each having access to everyone's experiences and memories. That is a huge advantage.
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Galaad
Galaad

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posted November 02, 2014 10:55 AM
Edited by Galaad at 10:56, 02 Nov 2014.

War-overlord said:
Ok, I've seen people complain about this every which way to Tuesday. So I ask people to explain something to me.
Where does the ridiculous notion come from that Faceless are "supposed" to be equal to Angels?

Might and Magic Heroes Wiki said:
Alongside the Angels, the Faceless were one of the earliest races created by Asha, the primordial Dragon of Order, and since they worshipped Malassa instead of Elrath, the Dragon of Light, the Faceless were directly opposed to the Angels.

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War-overlord
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posted November 02, 2014 10:55 AM
Edited by War-overlord at 10:56, 02 Nov 2014.

Elvin said:
The fact that they are the angel's greatest adversary, doesn't mean they are equal in strength. Besides they have the advantage of playing dirty and have a shared consciousness, each having access to everyone's experiences and memories. That is a huge advantage.

My point exactly.

Edit:
@Galaad: Opposed =/= Equal.
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alcibiades
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posted November 02, 2014 10:56 AM
Edited by alcibiades at 10:59, 02 Nov 2014.

War-overlord said:
Ok, I've seen people complain about this every which way to Tuesday. So I ask people to explain something to me.
Where does the ridiculous notion come from that Faceless are "supposed" to be equal to Angels?

Well from the original myth of creation it was written as if there was a symmetry between Angels and Faceless among the elder races - i.e. humans, dwarves, naga and elves were comparable but associated with different elements, and then angels and faceless were comparable but associated with light and darkness respectively. Sure, there is no specific mention of the two being of exactly equal strength, it just seems more ... neat, to assume that was the case. Unless one wants some inherent asymmetry where light is stronger than dark, but the way elements are generally presented seems to be "equal but opposed".
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War-overlord
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posted November 02, 2014 10:59 AM

alcibiades said:
Well from the original myth of creation it was written as if there was a symmetry between Angels and Faceless among the elder races - i.e. humans, dwarves, naga and elves were comparable but associated with different elements, and then angels and faceless were comparable but associated with light and darkness respectively. Sure, there is no specific mention of the two being of exactly equal strength, it just seems more ... need, to assume that was the case. Unless one wants some inherent asymmetry where light is stronger than dark, but the way elements are generally presented seems to be "equal but opposed".

The problem with that, is that this assumed symetry isn't there for the other races either. Naga aren't equal to Dwarves, nor are Humans equal to Elves.
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alcibiades
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posted November 02, 2014 11:03 AM

I would say quite opposite, on a basic level the four humanoid races ARE equal in strength. Not identical, in the sense that each has their strengths and their weaknesses, but there's nothing that gives me reason to think that one of the humanoids would come out superior against the others - unlike for instance if you pitched a humanoid against an angel, or a faceless for that matter.
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Elvin
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posted November 02, 2014 11:08 AM

I'd have a hard time imagining a blade dancer going face to face with a kensei to be honest..
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War-overlord
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posted November 02, 2014 11:08 AM

alcibiades said:
I would say quite opposite, on a basic level the four humanoid races ARE equal in strength. Not identical, in the sense that each has their strengths and their weaknesses, but there's nothing that gives me reason to think that one of the humanoids would come out superior against the others - unlike for instance if you pitched a humanoid against an angel, or a faceless for that matter.

Please tell me what the strenghts of Humans are, as opposed to the Dwarves, Elves and Naga? Because all I can come up with is numbers. Effectively, from what I can see is that Humans are the Goblins of the Elder Races, they're inferior, but there are so damn many of them.
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