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Kurush
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posted December 03, 2014 02:13 PM |
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Avirosb said:
Rakshasa92 said:
So a stupid walking corpse that even a small child can outrun is more scary than a freaking executed fae-man that is after the head of other creatures, which can break any barrier and open any lock, rides the most freaky of horses and which will bring doom with its words?
Uttering words with no head, now that's silly 
Well he still got his head, just not on his shoulders.
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Avirosb
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posted December 03, 2014 02:28 PM |
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So why does he need the other heads?
Anyway, judging by the Wiki description, he seems a bit OP (akin to the Reaper), not to mention a bit of a tryhard.
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Rakshasa92
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posted December 03, 2014 03:07 PM |
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Avirosb said:
So why does he need the other heads?
Anyway, judging by the Wiki description, he seems a bit OP (akin to the Reaper), not to mention a bit of a tryhard.
Everybody has his/her own collection.
Dullahan being victims of beheading, probably wanted to rob others from their heads too. :-p
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somi
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posted December 03, 2014 08:23 PM |
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Voted for black knight. Dont like units that are missing legs, arms or heads.
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kiryu133
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posted December 03, 2014 09:38 PM |
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Rakshasa92 said:
Yeah.
So a stupid walking corpse that even a small child can outrun is more scary than a freaking executed fae-man that is after the head of other creatures, which can break any barrier and open any lock, rides the most freaky of horses and which will bring doom with its words?
I'm glad i'm not like you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtokLfgfDfA
just can't take that thing seriously. you can outrun a corpse, sure. but for how long? it's not the speed that make something scary. it's threat, and if something lacks a head, it ain't threatening. a skeleton will be outrun, sure, but for how long? Humans have stamina. we can keep going for a long time. But a walking corpse? they never stop. they don't get tired. nothing is scarier to a human than something that won't stop coming, because that's how we hunt. in other words, tiring a human out is the same thing as hunting them. hunted = scary. If something is headless it doesn't pose a threat since, you know, no head.
I'm sure there's a bunch of stories or legends or whatever, but i don't find headless things to be scary.
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Rakshasa92
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posted December 03, 2014 09:53 PM |
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Are you 3 years old or something? You base your opinion about it on a freaking little pony cartoon? Go watch Sleepy Hollow and fast.
That it doesn't have a head (it has, but whatever you seem to be blind to it) doesn't really mean anything as it can see you anyway. And it can locate you anywhere.
Seen walking dead? See how easy even stupid humans kill zombies?
Zombies are overused and stupid, nothing scary about them. After 10.0000000 movies about them they seem to become much like sheep, plenty and easy to kill, nothing scary.
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Kurush
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posted December 03, 2014 10:56 PM |
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Edited by Kurush at 23:02, 03 Dec 2014.
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kiryu133 said:
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just can't take that thing seriously. you can outrun a corpse, sure. but for how long? it's not the speed that make something scary. it's threat, and if something lacks a head, it ain't threatening. a skeleton will be outrun, sure, but for how long? Humans have stamina. we can keep going for a long time. But a walking corpse? they never stop. they don't get tired. nothing is scarier to a human than something that won't stop coming, because that's how we hunt. in other words, tiring a human out is the same thing as hunting them. hunted = scary. If something is headless it doesn't pose a threat since, you know, no head.
I'm sure there's a bunch of stories or legends or whatever, but i don't find headless things to be scary.
 
Not scary? Not at all? And just a reminder, it's a lot easier to hunt riding a dead/haunted horse rather than walking.
@Rakshasa
Nah, Sleepy Hollow wasn't all that scary, it was goofy.
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kiryu133
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posted December 03, 2014 11:04 PM |
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Rakshasa92 said:
Are you 3 years old or something? You base your opinion about it on a freaking little pony cartoon? Go watch Sleepy Hollow and fast.
That it doesn't have a head (it has, but whatever you seem to be blind to it) doesn't really mean anything as it can see you anyway. And it can locate you anywhere.
Seen walking dead? See how easy even stupid humans kill zombies?
Zombies are overused and stupid, nothing scary about them. After 10.0000000 movies about them they seem to become much like sheep, plenty and easy to kill, nothing scary.
calm down, jeez. i used it as an example to illustrate my point: removing the head completely removes any danger associated with it, since, you know, how does know where it's going? what it is doesn't matter as much as what it is perceived to be and to me, it's goofy. Sure, you can handwave it with "wizzard did it", but that doesn't change the fact that it doesn't have a head and as such is completely harmless. no head = no brain. no brain = no threat. simple.
and since you bring up twd: ever noticed how zombies tend to be used in media? a moving wall you can't overcome. no, i have not watched that series (neither do i intend to. i'm perfectly happy with telltales rendition) but i am willing to bet that when a horde of zombies appear, someone dies since they're endless and tireless. there is a subtle beauty about it: you can't win. you can kill a couple, but in the end you will die no matter how hard you try. it's that nagging and slow doom that makes them scary, not some superpowers of awesome. of course, changing your mind won't happen, however i hope you can at least see where i'm coming from.
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Protolisk
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posted December 03, 2014 11:18 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
calm down, jeez. i used it as an example to illustrate my point: removing the head completely removes any danger associated with it, since, you know, how does know where it's going? what it is doesn't matter as much as what it is perceived to be and to me, it's goofy. Sure, you can handwave it with "wizzard did it", but that doesn't change the fact that it doesn't have a head and as such is completely harmless. no head = no brain. no brain = no threat.
Skeletons don't have a brain, at it'd have rotten and decomposed. No brain = no threat. Ghosts don't even have a body, so they don't have a brain either. No body = no head = no brain = no threat.
I don't think the head has much to do with it when it comes to beings of the dead: what they needed in life is not so much needed now that they are dead.
Pretty much all undead units are almost exactly "a wizard did it" by design, except for 3 things: Vampires, Liches, and Namtarus. Where a Lich is the wizard doing all the stuff, Vampires are different form of lich, and Namtaru are death beings, from which becoming a lich or vampire is allowed.
If you are going to say that a ghost is a spirit, and thus doesn't need a head, then perhaps that is what a Dullahan is: a spirit possessing a body. Heck, it could even be a suit of armor, and some poltergeist got up in there and started moving things around. You still have skeletons though.
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Steyn
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posted December 04, 2014 09:05 AM |
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Edited by Steyn at 09:07, 04 Dec 2014.
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Kurush said:
Imho these pictures prove Kiryu's point. The guy with his head on his shoulders looks much more creepy than the one carrying it around in his hand. The fact that he rides around on a horse has nothing to do with him being headless or not.
Btw, what for retarded weapon is that spine thingy. Sure it is scary when he comes at you with the spine of his previous victim, but most of all it's gross. It would be much more terrifying if he carries a large bloodied headsman's axe (and some chopped-off heads of his previous victims).
The only way I can see the Dullahan working in Heroes is as a neutral. Some kind of criminal that after its beheading came back to 'life' to take revenge by random beheading people, starting with his executioner.
As I prefer to have some form of dark night in Necro than as neutral, I voted the Black Knight.
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Avirosb
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posted December 04, 2014 09:46 AM |
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Edited by Avirosb at 09:47, 04 Dec 2014.
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kiryu133 said:
just can't take that thing seriously. you can outrun a corpse, sure. but for how long? it's not the speed that make something scary. it's threat, and if something lacks a head, it ain't threatening. a skeleton will be outrun, sure, but for how long? Humans have stamina. we can keep going for a long time. But a walking corpse? they never stop. they don't get tired. nothing is scarier to a human than something that won't stop coming, because that's how we hunt. in other words, tiring a human out is the same thing as hunting them. hunted = scary. If something is headless it doesn't pose a threat since, you know, no head.
I'm sure there's a bunch of stories or legends or whatever, but i don't find headless things to be scary.
You contradict yourself then.
Something that never stops coming for you is scary? The Dullahan is that thing.
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Imho these pictures prove Kiryu's point. The guy with his head on his shoulders looks much more creepy than the one carrying it around in his hand. The fact that he rides around on a horse has nothing to do with him being headless or not.
Right. "He"
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kiryu133
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posted December 04, 2014 11:07 AM |
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Avirosb said:
You contradict yourself then.
Something that never stops coming for you is scary? The Dullahan is that thing.
from a visual standpoint? no. Nothing about the dullahan even remotely reflects any kind of persistence. you say it does, but it's not shown. it's a guy without a head and that's supposed to be scary, but it's not. removing a head isn't scary, it's just someone without a head. when it comes to skeletons and zombies a large part of why they're scary is the uncanny valley: they're supposed to be dead. we can clearly see these are dead things but they are moving. that's just wrong and so it's unnatural and scary. same thing should be true for the dullahan, but it's just a head. everything else looks just as lively and spry as always. it doesn't look scary.
if they were to put a head on it's shoulder it'd be fine, but i suspect it would cease too be a dullahan then?
also, spines make for lousy whips . a club, maybe.
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Rakshasa92
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posted December 04, 2014 11:29 AM |
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kiryu133 said:
Avirosb said:
You contradict yourself then.
Something that never stops coming for you is scary? The Dullahan is that thing.
from a visual standpoint? no. Nothing about the dullahan even remotely reflects any kind of persistence. you say it does, but it's not shown. it's a guy without a head and that's supposed to be scary, but it's not. removing a head isn't scary, it's just someone without a head. when it comes to skeletons and zombies a large part of why they're scary is the uncanny valley: they're supposed to be dead. we can clearly see these are dead things but they are moving. that's just wrong and so it's unnatural and scary. same thing should be true for the dullahan, but it's just a head. everything else looks just as lively and spry as always. it doesn't look scary.
if they were to put a head on it's shoulder it'd be fine, but i suspect it would cease too be a dullahan then?
also, spines make for lousy whips . a club, maybe.
Really how old are you if I may ask?
Because anything you say doesn't make sense.
You don't care for Medusa-armies (which is a cursed victim from a godess, like those can come in armies-form) but a headless horseman (in a freaking fantasy game where ANYTHING goes) is too much for your mind to comphrehend?
If I was you I would stop liking fantasy games and go play C&C and other war-like human games where anything is as realistic as possible without fantasy being added.
if you care for one thing that much and you blind yourself for others that don't make sense (like all freaking zombies in the game look the same) than you just hate the concept of the Dullahan, and if you don't like the dullahan you may not call yourself a true fantasy fan.
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Avirosb
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posted December 04, 2014 12:04 PM |
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Edited by Avirosb at 12:07, 04 Dec 2014.
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kiryu133 said:
from a visual standpoint? no. Nothing about the dullahan even remotely reflects any kind of persistence.
Nothing about zombies or skeletons do either, from a visual standpoint.
kiryu133 said:
removing a head isn't scary, it's just someone without a head. when it comes to skeletons and zombies a large part of why they're scary is the uncanny valley: they're supposed to be dead.
You'd think a headless person would be fit to live.
kiryu133 said:
we can clearly see these are dead things but they are moving. that's just wrong and so it's unnatural and scary.
And also not real, thus not scary. Old people, now those are scary.
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Darkem
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posted December 04, 2014 02:37 PM |
bonus applied by alcibiades on 05 Dec 2014. |
Edited by Darkem at 15:50, 04 Dec 2014.
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Black Knight for the win! However, "Headless horseman" inspired design could be a nice upgrade of this already beloved unit.
I wanted to make fun of community and for once play a role of trickster, but then I realized that I don't like all of those "OMG! Leaked unit! Look! Look!" jokes. So, here it is - this is how I imagine Dread Knight*:
We already know Ubi well so I've added a lot of green, some spider symbols and death haze  .
*Photoshopped
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted December 04, 2014 02:41 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 14:41, 04 Dec 2014.
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Seeing this I really wish they will opt for the Black/Dread Knight option 
Great work though, you've got some skills 
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Avirosb
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posted December 04, 2014 02:50 PM |
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Noyce
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RMZ1989
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posted December 04, 2014 03:06 PM |
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Edited by RMZ1989 at 15:07, 04 Dec 2014.
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Well, just as I wanted to say how this thread has become an utter mess, this came out.
Nicely done Darkem.
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War-overlord
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posted December 04, 2014 03:15 PM |
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Avirosb said:
Noyce
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Vote El Presidente! Or Else!
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alcibiades
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posted December 04, 2014 03:18 PM |
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Moderator warning: Rakshasa92 if you continue posting like above, I will delete and penalize for offending other members without further warning.
... anyway, that's a really sweet Dark Knight artwork. 
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