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Articun
Articun


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As i dream, so shall it be!
posted March 20, 2015 05:13 PM

Story of Heroes VIII

I didn't know where exactly this post fits correctly in the forums but here goes anw.

I had an idea just now and i wanted to share it with you guys and listen to your ideas and thoughts about it.

Let's consider (leaving behind balancing issues and the likes) that heroes VIII comes out with the 7 Factions (Haven, Academy, Sylvan, Dungeon, Inferno, Stronghold, Necropolis) (again, i know the norm is 6 factions per vanilla but bare with me) and that each uses the 5/5/3 system of units where you choose to have (without restrictions on how you choose) a final lineup of 3/3/1.

Now comes my idea. It would be, i believe, nice if such a game would have a big campaign that will tell the story of Ashan chronologically as presented in the previous games. I mean that starting from Heroes VI, VII, V and combining all other canon games stories, heroes VIII would retold the story of those games in chronological order and wherever possible filling the blanks.

Now i know that most will say that since we have played the game once before it would be redundant to play the same story again. I disagree with that because you'll have a whole new formula, better engine (graphics), possibly less bugs and new music scores. Also, by the time the game comes out you would have forgotten many aspects of how things went or what exactly happened.

And i expand the reasoning saying that such a game will use new and old music, will bring back previous heroes along with new ones. It can say the story that has been already told while enhancing it by adding new info or behind the lines untold events and also, it will allow for each faction to be both something new and something old, since it will bring back older units, with new ones creating an amalgam of Ashan's lineups.

And now we come to the 5/5/3 system. It allows the campaign to give you specific direction to building the Town you own, meaning that if you play the wolf duchy you have to build a lineup without Griffins, or if you play a specific Dungeon lineup, you have the specific lineup to the character of the clan you play. Finally it is also possible that the campaign will allow you to play the lineup (or one as close to as possible) to the lineup the game of that campaign had.

Any thoughts?

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Storm-Giant
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posted March 20, 2015 05:20 PM

As if playing two prequels in a row wasn't enough, now you suggest to retell the same stories we've already been told?

We need to move forward, not backwards people!
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Sligneris
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posted March 20, 2015 05:21 PM

Sounds wonderful... and horrendously expensive. Especially so, considering that such an investment would be very unlikely to bring profit, with players' current attitude.

Not only that, it would take at least 10 years to create such a game if you want to include entire history of Ashan... and how much are you willing to bet that some wouldn't appreciate such a game, "because Ashan"?


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War-overlord
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posted March 20, 2015 05:25 PM

Storm-Giant said:
As if playing two prequels in a row wasn't enough, now you suggest to retell the same stories we've already been told?

We need to move forward, not backwards people!

Pretty much this. The world has wallowed in it's own past long enough. It's time to move on when Heroes VIII becons on the horizon.
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kiryu133
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posted March 20, 2015 05:25 PM

rocks fall, everyone dies.

except the ones that manages to escape to a different world

your idea would, as storm-giant said, be very derivative. not a big fan
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Avirosb
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posted March 20, 2015 05:27 PM

Technically we are going forward, just not past H5.

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Articun
Articun


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posted March 20, 2015 05:33 PM

To be honest, most people as stated would not like the idea for two reasons: 1. It's Ashan, i don't care and 2. Beh, the story doesn't progress.

The first reason is... childish at best. That's the world we have, be it good or bad and Ubisoft tried to expand it as best it can. The second reason has some footing. Yeah, we have played the story before, but we have played it in various games, going forth and back. And i did say the story of all the games out thus far, meaning that it will go up to the events of Dark messiah.

And i am only saying that about the campaign and story. If someone doesn't want to play it, he or she can. Of course, i also did say that it will give the chance to amend or fix mistakes and inconsistencies and also provide new insight to event we know or didn't know. So it isn't entirely a replay.

That the game would take many years to come, i don't mind. That it won't sell, i wouldn;t be so sure, because it would offer way more staff in vanilla than any other game before.

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verriker
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posted March 20, 2015 07:12 PM

Articun said:
The first reason is... childish at best. That's the world we have, be it good or bad and Ubisoft tried to expand it as best it can.


well we could say the exact same about any of the past six or seven Might and Magic worlds, and could still be on VARN today,
but NWC were wise enough to avoid stagnation and create great new settings, so no need to insult people who like that approach lol
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Stevie
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posted March 20, 2015 07:15 PM
Edited by Stevie at 19:24, 20 Mar 2015.

So a sequel that retells the story of the prequels?
You're Ubisoft material, get hired.
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War-overlord
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posted March 20, 2015 07:26 PM

Stevie said:
So a sequel that retells the story of the prequels?
No, this is an expanded remasterd edition, disguised as the next game.
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Sligneris
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posted March 20, 2015 07:33 PM
Edited by Sligneris at 19:34, 20 Mar 2015.

Regardless, it would feature things like true extent of the War of the Bitter Ashes, Sandro's defeat at Cyrus's hands and perhaps even the Elder Wars or Sar-Elam's travel through the Spirit World - sounds quite interesting.

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Articun
Articun


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As i dream, so shall it be!
posted March 20, 2015 08:49 PM

Stevie said:
So a sequel that retells the story of the prequels?
You're Ubisoft material, get hired.


If posting a thought or an idea makes me adept enough to get hired to a job, then i wouldn't mind, not really. But that is not my point neither is to insult or attack but merely to post an idea. An idea in itself is not either good or bad. Considering that Ubisoft is not likely to change or leave Ashan, i am following suit.

Honestly, i don't find either perspective good or bad (every hero game or so a different world or maintaining and expanding one world) and neither have i taken it to that perspective. Yet here you are still bickering about Ashan and honestly, calling me Ubisoft material in these forums is as close to an insult as one can get, so thank you Stevie.

Anws, if you find this idea so appalling, so be it.  

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Minastir
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posted March 20, 2015 10:34 PM

I'm not a fan of this idea because i would like to go further with ashan history, after the dark messiah, but I have to say it's kind of scary with what they can think of for HVIII, they can do whatever they want with the story and after seeing spiderpolis, I know it could get even worse than that

IIRC Marzhin already said that probably the story for HVIII would take place after  Dark Messiah

and Stevie it really wasn't necessary for you to say, what you said

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Avirosb
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posted March 20, 2015 10:56 PM

Minastir said:
and Stevie it really wasn't necessary for you to say, what you said
Are you saying being an Ubi employee bears negative connotations?

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Minastir
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posted March 20, 2015 11:10 PM
Edited by Minastir at 23:11, 20 Mar 2015.

Avirosb said:
Minastir said:
and Stevie it really wasn't necessary for you to say, what you said
Are you saying being an Ubi employee bears negative connotations?

no, that's not what I'm saying but knowing what are the views of Stevie and how the whole comment was made it for sure wasn't "good for you! great idea, I hope you get hired"

or do you honestly think that was a compliment, do you ?

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Articun
Articun


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posted March 20, 2015 11:46 PM

The views of my ideas of how Ashan should move forward is in the ICTC 8: Hive faction i am creating. There i have divided Necropolis to two factions (In game sub-factions) one with the Spider cult and Namtarus and the other more traditional in par with the previous games. I have also divided Haven into two sub factions (one as we know it, the other more purist oriented, meaning inquisition).

But even so, Heroes VIII can go either direction, that meaning that it could continue to tell us stories about the pre-DM stories, even go as far back as the Shantiri Empire and introduce that faction and a primal version of the 5 factions (Humans, Fortress, Sylvan, Inferno, Sanctuary) which will look much less like Ashan even though it will be placed in Ashan or even go forward to the story where it is left right now.

My idea was indeed something like a remastered edition that would introduce new players to Ashan and M&M Heroes world Ubisoft have created (again, being a fan of Ubi or not is not the point) and remind old ones of the story before it moves it forward on the first expansion. The thought behind it is that it will offer a very big campaign, great customization (5/5/3 system etc) and the best of what has worked so far for heroes games (much like the experiment that is done now with heroes VII)

It is i repeat just an idea for discussion and not accusation. I have no ties with Ubisoft and neither am i interested to work on story. If anything, i like to create lineups for Factions.

Though now that i think about it, the idea of a heroes game that takes place way back to the fall of the Shantiri empire, isn't half bad... We get a refreshing mix of factions that would or should be more primal and also a new Faction in the Shantiris.

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Articun
Articun


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As i dream, so shall it be!
posted March 20, 2015 11:49 PM

Avirosb said:
Minastir said:
and Stevie it really wasn't necessary for you to say, what you said
Are you saying being an Ubi employee bears negative connotations?


What i was trying to say and what Minastir is trying to say is that in these forums and in the official Heroes VII website, the view of fans against Ubisoft is not the best. If we are being honest most of us are not happy with how Ubisoft is treating the game. So, if someone that has as strong views about Ashan as Galaad tells me i should be hired by ubisoft, i know personally that not only he does not agree with what i propose for discussion, but he is also discreetly offending me . Though honestly, i don't care. I am here to discuss, nothing more, nothing less.

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verriker
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We don't need another 'eroes
posted March 20, 2015 11:50 PM

Avirosb said:
Are you saying being an Ubi employee bears negative connotations?


not sure about him but I know I sure am, lol
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Articun
Articun


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As i dream, so shall it be!
posted March 21, 2015 12:01 AM

verriker said:
Articun said:
The first reason is... childish at best. That's the world we have, be it good or bad and Ubisoft tried to expand it as best it can.


well we could say the exact same about any of the past six or seven Might and Magic worlds, and could still be on VARN today,
but NWC were wise enough to avoid stagnation and create great new settings, so no need to insult people who like that approach lol


Also Verriker, to make things right, i did not try to insult anyone. I was saying that since we do not see any indication that Ubisoft is willing to scrape Ashan, or change it but instead it is enhancing it and expanding it, it is a bit childish to go around renouncing all things Ashan. I am trying to adapt to the direction of the game. If i see that ubisoft is willing to change the world of the game or players offering a better alternative in a good proposal and i agree, i will support the notion as best i can.

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Galaad
Galaad

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Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
posted March 21, 2015 01:13 PM

JollyJoker said:
If they had guts, they'd let the void win - only to start over again. This would have given them an excuse to "redo" Ashan history.

What I don't like is the following: They began to tell their story in a fully developed universe, no problem, continued the story with DM to a well-done cliffhanger, paving the way for a really nice reshuffle - and what does HoMM VI do? A PREQUEL? Really?
Great, so HoMM 6 goes back into the past, everyone knows what happens - now can we please continue the story and solve the cliffhanger?

Nope, we can't. Instead we get another PREQUEL.

For me, it's one prequel too many - the idea was not good the first time and it doesn't get better the second.
Storywise it feels - like a filler. "Erwan, can we god ahead with the story? I have a nice script for Inferno splitting just like the Elves. Sareth founds his own Inferno, like the Urgash Messiah, leading the "good" Inferno creatures out of Sheogh..." "No, sorry, didn't make up my mind, yet, how we will continue this. Meanwhile we could explore the start of the the Holy Empire, Ronan Falcon unifying the clans..."
It feels like we are stuck somehow, jumping between Eclipses, rewinding history, redoing the same over and over again.

I mean, Ivan Griffin, really? Thrilling.

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