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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 05, 2015 07:14 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 19:15, 05 Oct 2015.
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3lion said:
Okay, I finished my mod for a more appropriate scales of creatures.
You may now download it from here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/zhbbrwkya1kyrgr/Scaled%20Creatures%200.9.1.zip?dl=0
Instalation/deinstalation instruction included.
You may want to look at the screenshots before installing the mod, you can do so here: http://imgur.com/a/rDyyv
But keep in mind, that scrrenshots don't show actual state of affairs, because of a fixed camera angle. That why I recomend to download it and chek it ingame (it's easy do deinstall this mod in case you don't like it).
Feedback is welcome.
AND THEY SCORNED US WHEN WE SAID THE COMMUNITY COULD DO BETTER. THEY LAUGHED IT OFF AND FEIGNED IGNORANCE. HEY LIMBIC_LAYN OR WHOEVER, TELL US HOW IMPOSSIBLE IT IS TO DO SUCH A SIMPLE OPERATION LIKE RESIZING UNITS TO HAVE INTUITIVE PROPORTIONS. PLEASE, ENTERTAIN US MORE WITH YOUR PETTY EXCUSES, WE'RE DYING IN WAIT.
Excuse me, I had to take it off my chest. Great mod  Keep it up.
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The Young Traveler
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Minastir
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted October 05, 2015 07:16 PM |
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Storm-Giant said:
So, less than one week after game release a fan manages to change the sizes of the creature models. What was stopping Ubilimbic from doing the same since the first complains arose as early as August 2014?
Excellent job, 3lion
That is exactly my thought, 3LiON just proved also that they could increase the size of the creatures they just didn't wanted to, and all their whining about "We can't make Black dragon bigger because <insert stupid argument> ..." 
Thanks 3LiON for this mod !! Now I'm going to try it in the game ! 
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fuChris
Promising
Supreme Hero
Master to the Speed of Light
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posted October 05, 2015 07:20 PM |
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I never belived that such arbitrary limitations would hold back any capable modder. I mean ffs you can create a complete game using the unreal editor and the engine and the engine is free. They were literally using the same tools. How could such simple tasks be impossible?
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Pawek_13
Supreme Hero
Maths, maths everywhere!
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posted October 05, 2015 07:22 PM |
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A normal size Rakshasa? Yasss!!!!  No we only need to ged rid of that stupid colour-coding and everything will be cool again. Great job.
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted October 05, 2015 07:25 PM |
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Edited by ChrisD1 at 19:26, 05 Oct 2015.
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Can we stay on feedback?
So a bigger rakshasha is a yes!
How about a more normal sized swordmaster or whatever his name is?
Smaller cabir and bigger golem?
Smaller spiders?
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Sandro400
Promising
Supreme Hero
Shadow of Death
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posted October 05, 2015 07:37 PM |
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I have a suggestion: if LW in not opposed to it, redo the OP to become a list of existing mods. For I guess that Lion's mode will become very popular, thus why should we scour the thread to find this mod? ^^
Or make a dedicated (sticky) thread which would be ONLY the list of mods, while this thread will serve as discussion one.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted October 05, 2015 07:41 PM |
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Sandro400 said:
Or make a dedicated (sticky) thread which would be ONLY the list of mods, while this thread will serve as discussion one.
I think this is better.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted October 05, 2015 07:43 PM |
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3lion
Known Hero
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posted October 05, 2015 08:09 PM |
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Edited by 3lion at 20:10, 05 Oct 2015.
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ChrisD1 said:
How about a more normal sized swordmaster or whatever his name is?
What is normal sized? A human sized? Or just smaller? Because since he is a champion, I think he MUST be a big tough steroids bloated guy is a big boner sword. I tried to make him smaller. As small as a normal human, but in this case he looks ridiculously small. So I made him bigger. You may notice that Justacar is slightly bigger than a normal human too. Like Brienne of Tarth you know ))
ChrisD1 said:
bigger golem?
Take a look at this screenshot http://imgur.com/qyRHaTE
There are norma golem and shantiri golem on this screen next to each other. In vanilla game both are the same size. But I enlarged a shantiri golem AND a normal golem. They are little bit bigger than a normal human. Is it not enough?
ChrisD1 said:
Smaller spiders?
Even more smaller? I reduced his size (for both upgraded and non upgraded). If I reduce it even more, he might be too small for 2x2 creature. Don't think so. But I will take it into account.
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3lion
Known Hero
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posted October 05, 2015 08:20 PM |
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Sandro400 said:
Or make a dedicated (sticky) thread which would be ONLY the list of mods
This
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Minastir
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted October 05, 2015 08:30 PM |
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Edited by Minastir at 20:32, 05 Oct 2015.
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ChrisD1 said:
bigger golem?
Take a look at this screenshot http://imgur.com/qyRHaTE
There are norma golem and shantiri golem on this screen next to each other. In vanilla game both are the same size. But I enlarged a shantiri golem AND a normal golem. They are little bit bigger than a normal human. Is it not enough?
ChrisD1 said:
Smaller spiders?
Even more smaller? I reduced his size (for both upgraded and non upgraded). If I reduce it even more, he might be too small for 2x2 creature. Don't think so. But I will take it into account.
The normal golem could be bigger just like the shantiri golem because on the screenshot golem looks smaller than shantiri golem.
No, don't make even smaller spider, now it's ok
Did you decreased the size of the deer ? Because if you did the normal was better  Now seems little bit too small next to elves
Thanks again for the mod
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TD
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted October 05, 2015 08:31 PM |
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Edited by TD at 20:33, 05 Oct 2015.
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I agree that swordmaster should be much smaller, he looks like a giant rather than human. He should be bigger and bulkier compared to rest of humans, but not giant.
Cabir should also be smaller IMO(I just imagine them being much like gremlins).
Dryad looks too big compared to elves, but I dunno if it's just because she floats.
Spider could be slightly smaller.
Anyway great job with the scaling!
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted October 05, 2015 08:36 PM |
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3lion said:
You may want to look at the screenshots before installing the mod, you can do so here: http://imgur.com/a/rDyyv
Omg the color coding, it's so ugly. Seriously, h5 units look better because of that.
Can't try your mod since I don't own the game but looks like good work man.
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Sandro400
Promising
Supreme Hero
Shadow of Death
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posted October 05, 2015 08:38 PM |
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One moment guys. Is this "scaling mod" a global one? I mean, does it work on the scale of the whole game, or only if you put it in certain maps?
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ChrisD1
Supreme Hero
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posted October 05, 2015 08:49 PM |
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Edited by ChrisD1 at 20:54, 05 Oct 2015.
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3lion said:
What is normal sized? A human sized? Or just smaller? Because since he is a champion, I think he MUST be a big tough steroids bloated guy is a big boner sword. I tried to make him smaller. As small as a normal human, but in this case he looks ridiculously small. So I made him bigger. You may notice that Justacar is slightly bigger than a normal human too. Like Brienne of Tarth you know ))
well the truth lies in the middle i think. you can make him a tad bigger than the average person. just that. that way he looks like a giant and it's just weird. but it's your call. he can be small enough to not look like a giant, but bigger than the average person.
3lion said:
Take a look at this screenshot http://imgur.com/qyRHaTE
There are norma golem and shantiri golem on this screen next to each other. In vanilla game both are the same size. But I enlarged a shantiri golem AND a normal golem. They are little bit bigger than a normal human. Is it not enough?
i expected golems to be the same size as shantiri ones actually when you enlarged them. still your call.
3lion said:
Even more smaller? I reduced his size (for both upgraded and non upgraded). If I reduce it even more, he might be too small for 2x2 creature. Don't think so. But I will take it into account.
to tell you the truth i love spiders in general so even if they are big i don't mind 
as for the deers i must say a huge bravo! at last they are not giant deers!!!!
thank you very much for replying
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Kenishi
Famous Hero
passed out drunk in Tavern's
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posted October 05, 2015 08:53 PM |
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Edited by Kenishi at 20:57, 05 Oct 2015.
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Well done 3Lion looking at the pictures it is impressive .. although I can't look at them in game I would sugest a solution for the big sword guy from Heaven line up;
http://ticcytx.tumblr.com/image/71038350683
It's a most helpful chart to navigate proportion of human body
Crossbowman could be in the proportion of Normal (as see in charts)
Pikeman could be in idealistic
Guardian could be fashion (nobody take it wrong but a slim more agile build would fit best this character in my opinion)
Chaplain would suggest normal or idealistic.
And the Sword guy should be in heroic category.
Hope it help's I'll try and look in detail the rest of lineups and give more feedback.
Again good job.
P.S. The Sister should be in normal
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dexxxter25
Hired Hero
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posted October 05, 2015 09:18 PM |
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In regards to the swordmaster, I agree that he also should be scaled down a bit. I personally don't find anything wrong with a champion unit being smaller if it makes sense. If anything I like the idea more that he is more simplistic and just slightly larger than the average human, rather than having a Giant.
In H2 the crusaders were only slightly bigger than the rest of their line up (not the best comparison I know). Would have really liked if they didn't just cookie cut all the champions as being extremely powerful and would have had some champions that are weaker but you get a higher growth rate like in H2. Alas, I digress...Keep up the good work 3lion!
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Articun
Supreme Hero
As i dream, so shall it be!
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posted October 05, 2015 09:44 PM |
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@3LiON
First things first, awesome job and congrats mate. You did some serious job here.
Cavaliaer can be a little smaller, small enough that that the human on top of the horse can be the same size as the sentinel. The size he is now makes him feel more like a champion, akin with the seraph.
Swordmaster. I also believe as others that in spite of him being a champion, he can be smaller, because making him too big makes him a Giant instead of a buffed up human.
Gold Dragons and Griffins can both be bigger. All Dragons should be the same size (if this is able). The Griffin needs to be bigger than humans because it is a big beast by nature, a little bigger than a lion i guess.
Harpies can also grow a little bit, because now it seems as though they are the smallest unit in the stronghold lineup. If their body (not counting wings) can get to the same size as the humans of Haven, it would be awesome.
Brutes can get a little bit bigger still so that they feel bigger and more intimidating than humans and elves.
This is my personal opinion of course, but i think that the Genies should be the same size or just a bit bigger than humans.
Golems should be the same size as Genies, being taller than humans.
Ghost can get a little smaller and Lamassu a little bigger (maybe the same size as the Griffin)
Medusa should get a little bit smaller, and the Minotaur as well (about the same size as Raksashas), but smaller than Striders, or else Strider looses anything special about him.
And i guess that's about my input on the matter
Again mate, thanks a whole bunch for making this. And if we are making you mad, pay us no mind
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3lion
Known Hero
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posted October 05, 2015 10:40 PM |
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Sandro400 said:
One moment guys. Is this "scaling mod" a global one? I mean, does it work on the scale of the whole game, or only if you put it in certain maps?
It works for the whole game. Campaign, scenarios, single player, etc... Still I'm not sure if it works in multiplayer (since this mod replaces source files), cuz I am unable to test it in multi...
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3lion
Known Hero
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posted October 05, 2015 11:50 PM |
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Thanks for all your notes. I will take it into account. I will update mod soon with a release version. Next step is to rescale creatures on an adventure map. Stay tuned
@Articun
I was thinking pretty the same way as you are. My starting point was a human height. Almost every human like creatures has the same height or a size based on a human proportions. Genies, Harpies, Dryads, Ghosts, Elves (all), Vampires, Liches, Medusas... Medusa has the same body size as a human or elf druid. Bud because of a tail she looks bigger. Same is for Harpy. The body is the same. But she looks smaller, because of chicken legs.
Lamasu is the same size as a Griffin and a Minotaur is the same as a Rakshassa and so on.. I will check for Cavalier size
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