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LizardWarrior
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the reckoning is at hand
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posted August 10, 2015 02:46 PM |
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No matter how hard you want to believe or lie to yourself that it's because "elves", it's actually because those are part of the first factions from h1 and appeared in all heroes except 6, because heroes 6 isn't even heroes.
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kiryu133
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Highly illogical
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posted August 10, 2015 02:58 PM |
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Edited by kiryu133 at 15:03, 10 Aug 2015.
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Both winners have a richer history than their competitors (or in the case of rampartXfakedwarvenstronghold, A history) and while many people are bored to death of the DE dungeon we're more bored to death by Ashan Inferno.
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TD
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posted August 10, 2015 03:12 PM |
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About Sarahs units:
Assasin: Remove the grey/white hair from assasin and the blue colors and I think it would awesome.
Stalker: The pink/red colors don't really suit the unit IMO, would be better as just plain dark/black. While the gold linings look nice in the cape, they don't really have any function and would make it harder to hide so they should go also.
troglo is still an alien to me, doubt it looks any better as 3d model.
Medusa: the staff looks much better. The bottom half looks great, grand even from the medusa, but the top part just feels/looks somehow so stale and underwhelming. Maybe change the purple/snakes to brown, similar to the lower body. For upgrade maybe black snakes.
Manticore of yours is really awesome IMO!
Minotaur is ok/nice, I dislike the nose-ring though.
Hydra is very nice. I hope the upgrade won't turn to alien wanna-be
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Dave_Jame
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I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted August 10, 2015 03:19 PM |
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LizardWarrior said:
No matter how hard you want to believe or lie to yourself that it's because "elves", it's actually because those are part of the first factions from h1 and appeared in all heroes except 6, because heroes 6 isn't even heroes.
Well if I would fallow Gallads Guidline it is more heroes then Heroes IV... :-)
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted August 10, 2015 03:38 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 16:01, 10 Aug 2015.
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Dave_Jame said:
Well if I would fallow Gallads Guidline it is more heroes then Heroes IV... :-)
Sorry but, what? 
I never implied such a thing. Please develop how you got confused so maybe we could clarify.
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GenyaArikado
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posted August 10, 2015 04:32 PM |
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LizardWarrior said:
No matter how hard you want to believe or lie to yourself that it's because "elves", it's actually because those are part of the first factions from h1 and appeared in all heroes except 6, because heroes 6 isn't even heroes.
I'm gonna ignore the fact that the Nature town has been an elven town since H3 and say that if elves broke their factional identity to the point this site makes it seem they wouldnt win lol. My point isnt "they're winning because elves", it is "people dont give a snow about them "taking space" from other creatures" lol
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Rakshasa92
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posted August 10, 2015 08:45 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
Rakshasa92 said:
Minotaurs and Medusa's were once also unknown folklore, they only grew so fast because of that horrible D&D.
If people looked somewhat further they would see there are much more interesting creatuers out there such as Akhlut, Ahuizotl, Kaw Kaw, Pertyon, Leucrotta, Harionago and Bakekujira for examples.
And even the minotaur self is boring compared to the Sarangay (with crystals), Arzshenk (demonic minotaur) and Erchitu (giant white minotaur much like the thing from the Labyrinth, being tortured into anger by smaller demons)
So what you say is a big error said by an Ashan fan (like always)
I've seen a lot of fantasy stories, movies, games and what not in my life, but Ashan is with Eragon one of the worst.
Great reaction Rakshasa, I really hoped this would catch your attention Due to a single fact. You are the single one incarnation of a person who uses interesting creatures to fill in boarin blanks based on stereotypes. I realized this when I was reading through your QP in the neutrals topic where you suggested to replace elements with random mythological creatures.
In other words you took interesting source material and wanted to use them as fillers based only on one of their qualities. It was like using gold and silver to mend your old frying pan because its made of metal.
And your reaction again is the same. You did exactly as I wrote later took mythological concepts and made them into colore/material coded creature stereotypes (Aka White crystal Minotaur). You used this to explain what the creature is, but none of it makes the creature unique and interesting.
A salamander is more then just a lizard that is associated with fire a Kelpie is more then a water horse, and yet you turn them exactly into this. There is more behind the myth of the Cyclops than the one eye, there is more behind the medusa, then the snake parts of her body. Emphasising on only few features, especially when these features are the core problem of fantasy, aka stereotypes (be it elements, races, national affinity) degenerates any potential good idea. A creature created on a myth should build on that myth, not be frankly used tu fill a gap. That is what your hated Ubi does, but you do the same. Don't replace generic, with degraded ideas. Don't try to be original for originalities sake.
And about your fantasy experience. I think you still have a lot to learn, watch, and especially read, when you think that the two you mentioned are the worst.
I hate eragon, like nothing else, and yet I know there are much worse then it.
Uhm? What do you mean I use the creatures that way? If one is creative with their backgrounds it is me, not on this forum maybe, but you haven't read my Pinterest page it seems, I'm giving these creatures all the background they should have and have and turn it even better, I don't use the Salamander as just a fire lizard, I give it the ability to absorb heat and give it bonds with another fire creature the Cherufe, and the Gorgon (Medusa) has a backstory with the Sinlord of Pride based on her Myth story, so not just a snake-haired woman that petrifies her victims.
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ThatRedSarah
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posted August 10, 2015 11:18 PM |
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Hi!
Sorry for the late reply, but i have been having some serious troubles with my internet...
Anyways... thank you all for the comments! There is so many of them 
Below you can find some answers...
About the line up in general:
This was only about trying to fix the existing line up to be nicer (imo). That is why the two elves are present and the designs of others is also based on the current arts. It was not about creating anything totally new. If it would, the elves would be long gone from my Dungeon. Maybe as heroes? Probably not... Just minotaur/troglodyte/human heroes H3 style... (i had to get rid of the strider thou... he just had to go)
@leiah2
These were done in photoshop.
@Sandro400
I changed the art works instead of the 3D models simply because i dont know anything about modelling i will leave that to LizardWarrior and others. And yes this might have been better in Altar OF Wishes now that i think about it.
@GenyaArikado
I know its not that awesome, but the base art and creature wasnt that nice to begin with in my opinion so that is the best i can do with it.
@Maurice
That might be more of VW kinda thing
@Alcibiades
Tastefully combining them might actually work! Or we could just get rid of them completely and replace them with beholders and some other monsters.
@Galaad
Thanks for the nice words. And no i dont mind the SC post at all  lots of nice comments in there too. Seems like the Manticore was a success 
@Stevie
Yes i did put my name in there. I didnt think much of it at the time. But you are right. Wont be doing it again. At least im not trying to make any money out of these
@Alexine
Some of them was done pretty fast like the troglodyte, stalker, medusa and minotaur because the base art was already much to my liking. But some others took more time. Like the Manticore and Hydra... i did end up working on the hydras details for hours i just got really into it and lost track of time. The change in the Assassins arm position was also pretty time consuming after all. Hard to say any exact times because i just lost all sense of time when doing these.. But not too long overall i guess.
@Rakshasa92
Replacing all the elves would my answer too :/ But as i said above, this wasnt about creating a new line up, just retouching the current one.
@TD
Assassin: I went with blue colors so it would be different from the stalker and it looked like Zubzero I started with black hair in a ponytail behind the head, but i just couldnt get it to work at all so i went this. I made it white/grey to match the stalkers hair and not to get confused with the black cape.
Hydra: I was kinda thinking this one could be the upgrade and the real base hydra could be the normal version as it is now... the current upgrade does look kinda weird to me... Almost maybe mechanical/robot/alien thingy...
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But all in all this has been pretty nice fooling around with the H7 concept arts. Now the Dungeon reveal is over and it was the last faction so there wont be any more of this nonsense. Thanks everyone once again for the comments and support!
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Gryphs
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The Clever Title
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posted August 10, 2015 11:19 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
we're more bored to death by Ashan Inferno.
Yes, just so much yes.
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