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Zenofex
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posted February 22, 2018 01:45 PM

Galaad said:
Facebook will become more powerful than the NSA in less than 10 years -unless we stop it, by Nafeez Ahmed
That's a good but tiresomely long and rather unnecessary article. At this point Facebook, the social media and all media in general are well-known to be conductors of disinformation and eyes/ears of all sorts of intelligence, counter-intelligence, terrorist and so on organizations. When people willingly post heaps of personal information (and not only to just themselves) in nigh-real-time frequency, you should be an idiot not to take advantage of that - it's much cheaper compared to your "traditional" information-gathering techniques on top of all.
The real problem is hinted a few times throughout the article, although the conclusions drawn from it make it sound like the author had hit it with random bullets from a SMG rather than with a sniper - people have become pseudo-communication junkies who would throw away all sorts of common sense and security precautions just to feel known and invested in the virtual world that is the social media, Facebook in particular. Even though that many realize that this sort of communication is not "real" and that the people behind the profiles may be and often are completely different from the facade of the profiles (including their own selves), they still can't disconnect from that imaginary reality and keep fueling it. Meanwhile, the sober, interest-oriented entities use that to advance their own goals.

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posted February 22, 2018 02:10 PM

I agree this is no scoop yet most people simply don't care so I am unsure about article being unnecessary.
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posted February 22, 2018 02:55 PM

People who don't care will never read such an article. Because they don't care.

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Galaad
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posted February 22, 2018 03:05 PM

I'd argue the article's name may be just enough of a click-bait.
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posted February 22, 2018 03:44 PM

Yeah, the name is a typical journalistic bait indeed but that doesn't change much because you still need to be interested in the topic to read all this text (or at least the core paragraphs) - which by definition you are not if you're the regular Facebook zombie which the author implies as a target of all the possible exploits offered by the platform, officially and unofficially. Then again Facebook is just a symptom for social attention w***ing which is where the real issue lies - people feel so small and insignificant that they scream to the whole world "here I am, here's what I do and what I like, notice me!".

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posted February 22, 2018 03:47 PM

Zenofex, can you elaborate please? For instance, I am on Facebook with my real name, a lot of my friends that now live in different cities or countries are on Facebook with their real name, we stay in touch, some of my university professors, writers I follow, musicians I follow are on Facebook, I am 99 percent sure the accounts arent fake, we discuss things, we post article length stuff to each other... How is all this a security risk? If you use it right, what's wrong with such platforms?
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posted February 22, 2018 03:57 PM

Reminds me, a few days ago I saw a little bit of a documentary about the freely accessible information, and of course they had given time to the paranoia angle.

It was odd in several ways though, in a way too blatant I think is the word, because not only were the people they interviewed about this section completely different people than from the rest of the documentary, they also made bold claims like everyone is under surveillance, the government knows exactly where you are and have been at any time, etc. etc.

It was something I found a bit funny, because how would you e.g. explain how criminals could ever escape the law for more than a few hours if this was the case?

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posted February 22, 2018 04:00 PM
Edited by Galaad at 16:01, 22 Feb 2018.

@Zeno Well, let's say I like to give the benefit of doubt.
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posted February 22, 2018 04:20 PM

@artu, are you asking about technical security risks like malware and such or general security risks? Although the first is part of the second (I can go deeper on the tech part), my point is about the big picture where you throw personal information for public usage. Take one of these discussions of yours where someone with all (or just enough) of his personal details available says something nasty about Erdogan - that makes him visible and easily traceable in the future, should you have public unrest in the future and need for scapegoats. Very rough example but you get the idea - you hand over the information to literally everyone, benign or malign, you don't need to be discovered, you're advertising an archive of your lifestyle and past activities so every rookie with a simple automatic script can pinpoint you and thousands like you in less time than it would take for a whole department of experienced operatives in the more anonymous days, then do whatever's in his or her power.

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posted February 22, 2018 04:26 PM

In Canada and Sweden you can already go in prison for your facebook/twitter opinion. Coming in France soon, they preparing the law.
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posted February 22, 2018 04:54 PM
Edited by fred79 at 17:33, 22 Feb 2018.

woooo boy, am i boiling right now. just found this "gem". written by william cummings of "usatoday".

remember when i've said that people will use the term "conspiracy theorist" to discredit someone, to make them look crazy?

well. the media just threw down a guantlet with this article.

it's one thing for the conniving, fear-spreading, vermin-controlled, lying-ass media to BELIEVE people trolling them like idiots, and it is quite another to act like conspiracies are all entirely made-up plots without a thread of truth to them, and that anyone believing in them are crazy; all while toting the AUTHENTICITY of MEDIA...


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Conspiracy theories: Here's what drives people to them, no matter how wacky


Wake up, sheeple.

Right now, there are networks of passionate and committed people across the world working to subvert some of our deepest-held beliefs and upend the established world order.

They're called conspiracy theorists. They walk among us. They could be your friends, neighbors or loved ones. Who knows? You may even be one yourself.


nice intro. really. "oh no! could i be a conspiracy theorist? maybe my neighbors, friends, or loved ones? and they're out to upend the established world order?"

nice "1984" vibe you're setting there from the getgo. you're literally spelling it out. this article is fishing, and fishing HARD. VERY good choice of words.

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There seems to be a conspiracy being "uncovered" all the time these days, and no matter how outlandish they may be they seem to have no trouble drawing in ardent believers.


they're called 4chan, and they enjoy snowing with the controlling, lying, and biased media. that's YOUR fault for being a dumbass and taking their fun seriously; no matter how many other dumbasses they might reel in that AREN'T media. maybe if you were there a little longer than every time you need the next BIG STORY, you'd be able to seperate fact from trolling. but since you're just a part-time lurker, you're not going to understand any of that, and take 4chan at face value. you pathetic, drooling moron.

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According to University of Chicago political science professors Eric Oliver and Thomas Wood, in any given year roughly half of Americans believe in at least one conspiracy theory. Their 2014 study found that 19% of Americans believed the U.S. government planned the 9/11 attacks to start a war in the Middle East, 24% believed former president Barack Obama was not born in the United States, and 25% believed Wall Street bankers conspired to cause the financial crisis that began in 2008. Those are high numbers considering there is zero evidence to support any of those theories.


if people in the u.s. government(or select people in it's agencies thereof) DIDN'T plan 9/11, then they sure as hell sat on the information(exactly like with the last mass-shooter) that terrorists were planning an attack on the world trade center, in order to baselessly blame iraq and saddam afterward, and then use the media of the united states of america to push americans IN FAVOR OF AN U.S.-LED INVASION BASED ON A LIE; and all FOR OIL.

and i'm not sure about the wall street bankers, but DIDN'T a bunch of wall-street bankers/execs get caught STEALING billions of americans' dollars???

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And a whopping 61% said they do not believe the official conclusion of the Warren Commission that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in assassinating President John F. Kennedy, according to a 2013 Gallup poll. The number has not dropped below 50% since Gallup began polling on the subject just after the 1963 tragedy.


yup, that's one i actually believe. i don't doubt for a second that oswald acted alone, and i even think he was just a fall-guy. so you got me there, mr. cummings.

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President Trump himself has expressed a belief in at least two of the above conspiracies at one time or another. He was the most vocal proponent of the baseless claim that Obama was not born in America, and during the 2016 Republican primary campaign, Trump implied Sen. Ted Cruz's father was connected to Oswald and the Kennedy killing. Trump has also said climate change is a Chinese-manufactured hoax meant to hurt U.S. industry. His characterization of Russian election meddling as a "made-up story" designed to discredit his election victory was deemed 2017's lie of the year by fact-checker Politifact last week.


oh look, the media attacking trump again. yeah, the guy's a moronic self-centered asshat, but as long as EVERYONE in the media is jumping on the bandwagon and attacking him(even on talk-shows, ffs; because you can't go ONE SHOW without them attacking trump in some way, shape, or form), the mass media are showing how utterly controlled they all are, and apparently all by leftist democratic powers, too; to everyone with a working brain. they could have figured that out even before trump was EVER ELECTED.

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Everyone's a suspect

Conspiracy theorists can be conservative, liberal or any other political stripe — male or female, rich or poor, well educated or not.


there's the media i know and hate: "terror! terror! terror! we need ratings!".

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To some extent, the human brain is wired to find conspiracy theories appealing. People are highly evolved when it comes to the ability to draw conclusions and predict consequences based on sensory data and observation. But sometimes those same processes can lead to oversimplifications and misperception through what psychologists refer to as "cognitive bias," van Prooijen said.

Among the cognitive biases Van Prooijen and other psychologists believe contribute to the appeal of conspiracy theories are:  

   Confirmation bias: People's willingness to accept explanations that fit what they already believe.
   Proportionality bias: The inclination to believe that big events must have big causes.
   Illusory pattern perception: The tendency to see causal relations where there may not be any.

Yet there are factors that make some people more or less inclined to accept conspiracy theories.


biased? you mean like the uniformly-driven media? how they all say the same thing? how they'll all LIE to fit their agendas? how it's been PROVEN that they'll lie to fit their agendas? talk about the pot and snowing kettle.

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People with greater knowledge of the news media are less likely to believe conspiracy theories, according to a new study, “News Media Literacy and Conspiracy Theory Endorsement,” in the current issue of Communication and the Public.

“It’s significant that knowledge about the news media — not beliefs about it, but knowledge of basic facts about structure, content and effects — is associated with less likelihood one will fall prey to a conspiracy theory, even a theory that is in line with one’s political ideology,” co-author Stephanie Craft, a University of Illinois journalism professor, told the Columbia Journalism Review.

Oliver believes the greatest predictor of people's likelihood to accept conspiracy theories is the degree to which they rely on their intuition over analytical thinking.

"They go with their gut feelings. They’re very susceptible to symbols and metaphors," he said.


sure, why not pat yourself on the back? the media are the purveyors of TRUTH, no doubt. and nothing's EVER proven that otherwise, lol. what a blatant, steaming pile of lying self-promotion. it's not my "gut" that tells me that you're bought and paid for, or LYING, or pushing an agenda; but my eyes and ears and working brain, pal. because i actually pay attention to you soulless wannabe-celebrity creeps.

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Conspiracy theories as coping mechanism?

One reason for the pervasiveness of conspiracy theories is that they serve an important psychological function for people trying to cope with large, stressful events like a terrorist attack.

People "need to blame the anxiety that they feel on different groups and the result is frequently conspiracy theories," van Prooijen said, defining the term as a belief that "a group of actors is colluding in secret in order to reach goals that are considered evil or malevolent."

"People don’t like it when things are really random. Randomness is more threatening than having an enemy. You can prepare for an enemy, you can’t prepare for coincidences."

Conspiracy theories also appeal to people's need to feel special and unique because it gives them a sense of possessing secret knowledge, according to a study in the July 2017 edition of Social Psychology.


terrorist attacks don't stress me out. when i saw 9/11 happening on a friend's t.v., i rolled over and went back to sleep. so you're wrong, there.

no, i didn't feel immediately compelled to believe the government had anything to do with the 9/11 attack, until it was released that they HAD INTEL on the attack/attackers, and that they LIED TO THE NATION ABOUT IRAQ'S INVOLVEMENT. if that ISN'T "evil or malevolent", then just WHAT is?

randomness and coincidences, huh? lol. too many coincidences to count, points to something. guess you never heard the saying, "where there's smoke, there's fire". or maybe even, "if you see one roach, chances are, there's many more that you're NOT seeing".

oh my yes, i just LOVE how unique and special i feel, that most people of the world don't seem to believe that conspiracies actually exist. that things like espionage, false-flags, and takeover/replacements of foreign leaders or representatives, and other assorted classified behind-the-scenes operations DON'T HAPPEN. even AFTER previously-classified government documents prove ENTIRELY OTHERWISE. you're absolutely right! i love being criticized and ostrasized for stating the obvious! i mean, who WOULDN'T?!

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Real conspiracies

Of course, sometimes conspiracies turn out to be real.

President Nixon tried to cover up the Watergate break-in; the Reagan administration sold arms to Iran to illegally fund the Contra rebels in Nicaragua, and the CIA really did test LSD on unwitting U.S. citizens.

Of course, one thing those conspiracies have in common is that they all came to light. And that is almost certain to be the case with any large plot like those imagined by conspiracy theorists.


again, "where there's smoke, there's fire". or if you prefer, "if you see one roach, chances are, there's many more that you're not seeing."

there's a great deal that goes on behind the scenes of nations, that the uninformed public cannot handle. i mean, they don't even want to know about the legions of animals that were ruthlessly slaughtered for their supermarket meat, or their fast food. so, no surprise there. now, if you tell them that maybe, some u.s. city barely avoided a nuke going off, or that you have to torture people daily to get information vital to the survival of americans out of them, then you might just have either a panic, or a civil interruption/disruption on your hands. and the government sure doesn't want THAT, right(unless it serves an agenda, of course)? so it only makes sense that you keep them in the dark of how dangerous the world is, and what has to happen to keep that danger at bay. you want to keep the masses relatively calm, compliant, and productive until you want their support to go to war again, right? let them believe the fairy tale, as long as the government can do what it needs to do, and/or do what it WANTS to do. you know, for profit. because taxes ALONE can't pay for all that GREED.

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They imagine "a secret government employing hundreds of people that operate with supreme efficiency, everybody having the capability of James Bond and never making an error,"


the government is secretive. this goes without saying. see above. also, it doesn't take the entire goverment to pull something nefarious off. all it takes, is the right people knowing/doing something, and the rest can be lied to, or not even told what's going on. case in point: levels of security clearances. not everyone is privy to what goes on in the higher levels, and for a good reason. it's on a "need to know" basis.

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"After 54 years, you say, 'Where’s the deathbed confession?'" Posner said of the Kennedy assassination. "Where’s the guilty person with a guilty conscience who comes out? Where’s the diary that’s been left by somebody that has now been unearthed?


yeah, because EVERY person who conspires secretly, just up and tells about it. they're most likely trained to resist even torture, should they be subjected to it in order to glean information out of them.

because OBVIOUSLY every person who has PASSED high security clearances, are all chatty kathy's to gossip on facebook at the drop of a hat. *facepalm*

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"Are there some out there that we never found out about? I’m sure," Posner said. "But at the level of assassinating the president of the United States, with the level of complexity and the number of people that would have had to have been involved, for that to have worked? No."


see above. only those needed to do the job. the rest can be distracted/guards misplaced. the kennedy assassination comes to mind.

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The long-awaited release this year of nearly 2,900 previously classified records related to the Kennedy assassination also failed to produce any evidence of a conspiracy to kill the president. But a few documents remain classified, which is more than enough mystery to keep the conspiracy theories around the assassination alive.


big surprise there. of course you're going to release something heavily-edited just to try and shut people up about it. and we can take you at your word, that the government itself wasn't involved, right? because those guys are always so benevolent to the masses that serve them? don't make me laugh.

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An act of faith

The absence of evidence never got in the way of a good conspiracy theory. No matter how unlikely a given imagined conspiracy, and no matter how many facts are produced to disprove it, the true believers never budge.


the reason why you don't find easy evidence for the no-brainer(read: not utter garbage like "lizard people from mars") conspiracies, is BECAUSE THEY'RE CONSPIRACIES. they were never MEANT to be known to the public. i mean, come on. common sense tells you that. and we're supposed to take PROVEN LIARS AND MANIPULATORS AT THEIR WORD(in an attempt to disprove what the public AREN'T SUPPOSED TO KNOW), whose very JOB is to mislead and/or guide the public in the direction THEY want? really?

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For example, even when Obama released his birth certificate many "birthers" were still certain he was not a natural-born American citizen.


so they were off by two years. so what? they were obviously RACIST TO BEGIN WITH, no matter if what they thought was factual or not.

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And what do you say to the people who still aren't convinced we went to the moon or that the Earth is flat?

"I’ve learned that is there no such thing as evidence that persuades a conspiracy theorist," Posner said.


yeah, those kinds of people are called "mentally ill". we can at least both agree on that. see my above comment regarding "lizard people from mars".

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Van Prooijen also called conspiracy theories a "form of belief."

"It doesn’t matter how much evidence to the contrary you raise, these hardcore conspiracy theories will discredit the source of the evidence," van Prooijen said. "It’s very easy to dismiss evidence as being part of the conspiracy, being part of the coverup."


especially when that information is classified, am i right? nyuk nyuk nyuk.

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Is social media making it worse?

Social media is often the scapegoat for many of contemporary civilization's ills, but surprisingly there is not yet evidence it is increasing the number of conspiracy theory adherents.

"I’m not yet persuaded that the number of people who actually believe in them has increased due to social media," said van Prooijen, adding that people believed in conspiracies in huge numbers long before the arrival of Facebook and Twitter.

But van Prooijen and Oliver think those sites, as well as anonymous platforms like 4Chan, have increased the number of conspiracy theories out there and allowed them to spread more quickly.

"It was harder to get conspiracy theories to your doorstep 50 years ago than it is now," said Oliver.

A person who might have been handing out fliers on a street corner to get their ideas out in the past might have 200,000 followers on social media today, Oliver said.


ah, here we go. people finally admit that you, as a "serious media pusher" have been attempting to get your media from 4chan. you know, when the feds invaded 4chan years ago and they ended up all over the news, you should have KNOWN that the masses at 4chan were going to use that against you somehow, especially since you invaded their private space where they weren't being bothered by hardly anyone. and now, after the media made them famous, the site is FLOODED with regular people who think being edgy is just the coolest!, and filling the site with tons of retarded prepubescent garbage. and you think that 4chan isn't going to react to that? have you MET 4chan? have you spent YEARS there? they will snow your snow UP, fam. you wanted to shake the nest, and now you're getting stung. lol. no pain, no gain, right?

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So, what's the harm?

Irrational conspiracy theories can lead people to not vaccinate their children, to deny the scientific evidence of climate change or to dismiss mass shootings like the one at Sandy Hook Elementary as "false flag" operations meant to spur gun control.

A wildly irrational conspiracy theory that presidential candidate Hillary Clinton was connected to a child-sex ring that was being run out of a Washington pizza shop even led to a man opening fire in the restaurant with a semi-automatic rifle. Fortunately, he shot at the ceiling and not the patrons.


wildly irrational, you say? just one question: have you seen the art decorating the walls at that pizzaria? ever checked the artist's other works? if you think that that artist is making benign art, then you have your head so far up your ass, you're essentially turning yourself inside-out. while the entire theory may or may not hold water, that art is anything BUT benign. it's the most snowed-up art I'VE ever seen, and I HAVE SEEN SOME snow. i've been at 4chan since it's inception, and i have also been to the darkest corners of the actual dark web. that art/artist DOES NOT BELONG IN A PLACE THAT SERVES FOOD TO PEOPLE. THAT ART/ARTIST WOULD BE MORE FITTING COVERING THE STALAGMITES OF HELL, where ritual/mass child rape art might serve to better torment people's sensibilities.

and you wonder why, some guy with less restraint than myself, would light that place up. he was sending A MESSAGE. no matter that he's probably being fed alive to dogs, now, for the amusement of those involved, right? because he was obviously just some unhinged nutjob, and not a righteous man who obviously couldn't take the fact that something like that MIGHT be happening. i mean, human and child trafficking is an ACTUAL THING, ffs. and you elude to the fact that this might not be true, simply because of WHO it involves(the sexual deviant bill clinton, and certainly not last OR least, hillary, whom you in the media all THOUGHT was going to be president. because she was SUPPOSED to be president, and not that orange clown, right?).

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Van Prooijen believes such conspiratorial thinking can undermine democracy because it sows distrust and leads to groups perceiving each other as enemies.


you know what else sows distrust and leads to groups perceiving each other as enemies? that "undermined democracy-controlled" MEDIA.

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Oliver does not believe conspiracy theories have a major impact on politics as much as they are symptomatic of problems with the political system.

"It’s less about the conspiracy theories themselves and it’s more about kind of the flight from reason in political discourse," he said.


finally, a nugget of truth and rationality amongst all this article's drivel. probably because the rest is so far from benign, that they felt the psychological impact of such an article would go down better with at least SOME semblance of truth and sanity.

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And if people reject rationality to embrace what they believe over what they can prove, that Democratic enterprise could begin to unravel.


now, back to your regularly scheduled program: "terror! terror! terror! we need ratings! we need to know that you're watching, so that you're getting THE CONTROL MESSAGE!"

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posted February 22, 2018 04:58 PM
Edited by artu at 17:00, 22 Feb 2018.

@Zenofex

If things go worse than they already are, of course I can be locked up for my comments about Erdogan or AKP or Islam etc. But same was true about writing a letter, making a public speech, or if we go real Gestapo, talking with a friend in a cafe... You can't live like a cockroach in that sense. Men far better than me wasted their years in prison simply because they wrote poems, history is full of such tyranny. Those who spoke their mind shaped me, they thought me, they influenced me. Not only do I owe it to my own integrity, but also to their legacy not to think like that.

Probably nothing's gonna happen anyway.
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posted February 22, 2018 05:02 PM

Salamandre said:
In Canada and Sweden you can already go in prison for your facebook/twitter opinion. Coming in France soon, they preparing the law.


I think it is because lawfully social media is being treated as public space and not private space, while people individually treat it as private space, but I guess it depends on the specific example.

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posted February 22, 2018 05:08 PM

Facebook is mostly perceived as a safe space, your own area where you can throw what's going through your head. So its a good source to track political/ideological opponents and also know their fans. They are preparing a law in France which will hit FB, under the "fake news" pretext.
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posted February 22, 2018 05:13 PM

A real Gestapo or even a 10 times lighter version of it costs much. The more money the state or an organization has to spend on tracking you, the less likely it is to track you, especially if you're not some known anarchist/revolutionary/terrorist/etc. With the current social media setup it takes a simple script which looks for keywords or keyword combos which can then be analyzed by every idiot with basic computer literacy, everything else you give for free of your own volition. And it's not only the state you know, everyone who might have some interest in you can do the same. I'm not saying to hide in a mountain cave and plant alarm traps all around but making it easy for a potential offender is not incredibly wise either.

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posted April 09, 2018 11:04 PM

Mindblowing.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-violent-videogame-has-made-more-money-than-any-movie-ever-2018-04-06

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posted April 10, 2018 03:23 AM

i believe it. i have that game myself(and am a huge fan of the series). the online gta5 lobby(along with cod) is why i don't play playstation anymore, and why i'll never buy another ps as long as i live. because stupid-ass kids are modded into gods(playstation is free to play online, and apparently easily moddable), so you can't kill them like you could anyone else; but they can kill you and nuke everything you owned through honest and hard gaming work, at a whim.

you could not fathom the hatred i have for those kids, and the parents who let them play that game(or any online multiplayer console game platform that doesn't do anything about cheaters, really). cheaters are a disease in the online gaming community. ESPECIALLY on the ps network.


but yeah, rant aside, that game is GREAT. that game series is why rockstar is one of the gaming companies i'm considering working for in the future.

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posted April 13, 2018 06:54 PM

Not really an article but this thread seems to be the right place for it.
Threats to international peace and security - The situation in the MIddle East, Official ONU document.
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artu
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My BS sensor is tingling again
posted April 13, 2018 07:01 PM
Edited by artu at 19:02, 13 Apr 2018.

It's just a page with a member list, nothing else opens by clicking anywhere or scrolling.
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Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
posted April 13, 2018 07:02 PM
Edited by Galaad at 20:29, 13 Apr 2018.

What? I have 28 pages here, same link.

Edit: Do you still can't access it? I can eventually make a huge copy-paste.
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