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Heroes Community > Tournament of Honor > Thread: World Championship 2016 Heroes 4 online
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bloodsucker
bloodsucker


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posted December 11, 2016 04:52 PM
Edited by bloodsucker at 16:55, 11 Dec 2016.

BrennusWhiskey said:
Maybe it is too hard for many to understand how to play it properly.

Specially when you don't even play Heroes IV, you play Equilibris wich completly mods the game.
Whatever strategies you may have will always be adapted to particular maps within a particular mod, so any worldwide championship will always be pretty dubious.

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BrennusWhiskey
BrennusWhiskey


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posted December 11, 2016 05:17 PM

bloodsucker said:

Specially when you don't even play Heroes IV, you play Equilibris wich completly mods the game.
Whatever strategies you may have will always be adapted to particular maps within a particular mod, so any worldwide championship will always be pretty dubious.


Equilibris is just a mod that balancing the game - its not completely different game. I am sure in that point everyone involved agrees. Have you tried? Online is just a must thing.

@verriker:
I am sure that you are winning discussions in every topic. Such experts from everything are needed: many words, nothing on substance. Your thoughts are always wisest. And when someone says you dont know whats going really about its personal insult. Keep going

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Salamandre
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posted December 11, 2016 05:29 PM

It would help a lot if full H4 games were uploaded in video. The channel Russians run now is bringing a lot of new players to H3. Is there anything similar for H4?

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BrennusWhiskey
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posted December 11, 2016 05:34 PM

Salamandre said:
It would help a lot if full H4 games were uploaded in video. The channel Russians run now is bringing a lot of new players to H3. Is there anything similar for H4?


Just few final battles. Sorry I have no time for recording whole games.

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Stevie
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posted December 11, 2016 05:37 PM

I believe that Verriker has a point and that you are being unnecessarily personal towards him. From what it seems, you expect people to believe your accusations on account of your word and H4 credentials, not because you have solid evidence. If that's the case, then don't expect anyone to believe you.
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verriker
verriker


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posted December 11, 2016 05:41 PM

BrennusWhiskey said:
many words, nothing on substance.


well yes, if you would be able to post any substance to support your claims in this thread, like other players' testimony or any decent piece of cheating proof as asked, instead of trying to deflect with many words and getting frustrated, I would probably be agreeing with you and say "fair enough mate you are justified carry on" lol
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BrennusWhiskey
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posted December 11, 2016 05:51 PM

I am not accusing anybody here for cheating in game. The issue is that on September 11 I posted "big final four group" and explained why because I know this guys personally

Mordaunt is big guy and maybe even worth of being World Master but not in this way

This is funny thing that I cant post here because I am not involved in this tourney but you are posting many useless advices probably in every heroes forum and it is ok

No offence.

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Ebonheart
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posted December 11, 2016 07:02 PM

BrennusWhiskey said:
Equilibris is just a mod that balancing the game - its not completely different game. I am sure in that point everyone involved agrees. Have you tried? Online is just a must thing.

Not a completely different game indeed, and that's the problem.
The game is interesting, but horrible when it comes to competitive battles. You can basically brand anyone in here who has a high experience of this game a world champion, because H4 has an obnoxious amount of luck involved and retarded combos like Sprite H&R automatic wins, 100% bloody morale prediction which ends the final battle before it even begins and the hero rushes. I remember writing a freaking compendium for all the ways magic could be used and abused to the point where I was almost driven mad.
Yuck, this thread just reminded me why I stopped playing H4 online. Hate or love the folks Bren, I for one shall exit before I dwelve into this nightmare again.

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BrennusWhiskey
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posted December 11, 2016 07:10 PM

Ebonheart said:

The game is interesting, but horrible when it comes to competitive battles. You can basically brand anyone in here who has a high experience of this game a world champion, because H4 has an obnoxious amount of luck involved and retarded combos like Sprite H&R automatic wins, 100% bloody morale prediction which ends the final battle before it even begins


Believe me or not but you cannot win in H4 only by luck. If this would be possible I wouldn't have 100% losses against some strong players

To me H4 online is quite like chess - all depends on your own strategy and moves of your opponent.

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Ebonheart
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posted December 11, 2016 07:15 PM

BrennusWhiskey said:
Believe me or not but you cannot win in H4 only by luck. If this would be possible I wouldn't have 100% losses against some strong players

To me H4 online is quite like chess - all depends on your own strategy and moves of your opponent.

That's not what I said Bren. What I mean is that if you pit 2x players with similar knowledge and skill of the game at this level, the luck factor will take over. And yes, all Heroes games are chess like, but in chess you cannot really go out of the box and move your pieces outside the chess board (just to give you an idea of the kind of tactics deployed in H4).

Anyhow, I shall sneak off back to the cozy H3 threads, adieu.

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bloodsucker
bloodsucker


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posted December 11, 2016 07:40 PM
Edited by bloodsucker at 19:41, 11 Dec 2016.

BrennusWhiskey said:
...Equilibris is just a mod that balancing the game

Are u kinding? Without Equilibris you go for Death/always advance Necromancy when possible/vampires.
Tried a map with Equilibris, since I wasn't getting vampires at level 10 I edited, build the grail and restarted. When my hero was at level 17 I still hasn't doing any vampires! OTOH, there is a Resurrection spell so all the 'confusion' spells have a different importance cause you can now recover your units with spellpoints. And what about Vampiric Touch? Most powerfull Death spell loses half of his importance.

And this is without ever finishing a single map.  

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BrennusWhiskey
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posted December 11, 2016 08:03 PM
Edited by BrennusWhiskey at 20:09, 11 Dec 2016.

You just perfectly advertised Equilibris because one of the most important things which it brings is equalizing overpowered death to other races

Its not a problem to say "I take death/vamps" and win. Well do that in Equilibris and you can meet real problems

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Ebonheart
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posted December 11, 2016 09:23 PM

BrennusWhiskey said:
You just perfectly advertised Equilibris because one of the most important things which it brings is equalizing overpowered death to other races

Its not a problem to say "I take death/vamps" and win. Well do that in Equilibris and you can meet real problems

Back since the H3 threads seems to be in slumber.
It nerfed Death and left Order/Nature overpowered, but nerfing Death was needed.

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BrennusWhiskey
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posted December 11, 2016 09:51 PM

You forgot to mention overpowered Life and Chaos which both still gaining me many nice victories

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bloodsucker
bloodsucker


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posted December 11, 2016 11:41 PM
Edited by bloodsucker at 23:54, 11 Dec 2016.

Mmm, my guess is he is talking about magic and you about faction, right?
I saw your final battles, you use Order and Nature magic, not Life except for Ressurection, of course. I saw you destroying the corpse of an hero with a death potion to avoid it.

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BrennusWhiskey
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posted December 12, 2016 07:48 AM

My point is that every faction has great winning spells (I use not only Order and Preserve - watch the rest videos).
Subscribe my channel on yt; next days I upload short final winning for Chaos (disintegration). Game played yesterday.

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bloodsucker
bloodsucker


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posted December 12, 2016 12:42 PM

I remember to see you using Hipnotize and (often) Steal All Enchantments, not Mass Bless or Spiritual Armour...
Two questions:
1. I saw this guys using the protective tactics position when fighting neutrals, how soon do you usually change it or is this something you regulary change before each battle?

2. Do you really mass all heroes you get in the same army or do you fight with several armies during the development phase and mass them for FB only?

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BrennusWhiskey
BrennusWhiskey


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posted December 12, 2016 01:34 PM

Well the devil is in the details
Answering your questions I would recommend the changing positions for every fight depends on an opponent army. For shooters you should have always some cannon fodder. And yes doing one great army is almost always better than split it; just for two main reasons: with weak armies you won't beat powerful guards on map (which gives you exp. and treasures) and you risk bigger losses in every fight.
From the perspective of online game losing your all army at the beginning of the game ("suicide") means always loss against decent player.

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Ebonheart
Ebonheart


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posted December 12, 2016 02:42 PM

bloodsucker said:
I remember to see you using Hipnotize and (often) Steal All Enchantments, not Mass Bless or Spiritual Armour...
Two questions:
1. I saw this guys using the protective tactics position when fighting neutrals, how soon do you usually change it or is this something you regulary change before each battle?

2. Do you really mass all heroes you get in the same army or do you fight with several armies during the development phase and mass them for FB only?

1. You have an option for doing it before the battle. Depending on how you place your army you can also deduce the morale swings for your army in the first round. When it comes to H4 map grinding, you will often change your setup and formation depending on the battle.

2. The typical thing to do is to power-level your heroes since they scale so absurdly good with level and spell damage but also inherit great map speed. At certain level ranged, the heroes can be left to fend for themselves with retarded combinations like Mirth potion/Sorrow Cloud + Poison + Slow kite etc.

As for the spells you mentioned earlier they are gamebreakers, and the issue with H4 is that you have a ton of them. Even seemingly harmless spells like Pathfinding, Mire and Visions are over the top.

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BrennusWhiskey
BrennusWhiskey


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posted December 12, 2016 03:01 PM

You casted so powerful spells that for sure we have the real World Champion!

Of course luck decided as always

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