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Elvin
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posted June 28, 2018 10:57 PM

I wouldn't blame anyone for that. Ubi seemed to not know what to do with insiders or perhaps they never planned to use them in the first place. Or things got lost in the process, who knows? Certainly the fortress leak did not help, wherever it came from. Funny thing though, soon after the disbanding, invites were sent to discuss that figurine title. What
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Blob-Ohmos the Second
posted July 05, 2018 04:29 PM
Edited by blob2 at 16:49, 05 Jul 2018.

Don't know if this was posted anywhere, if so then sorry for duplicating information.

Interview with Greg Fulton (Heroes III designer) posted on a Russian community page VK: https://vk.com/@tavern_homam-nwc-interview-fulton. According to him, and in regards to Heroes III:

- story was made "on the run", there were no grand storytelling plans moving forward
- as we know Armageddons Blade expansion was initially build around the Forge concept. Heavenly Forge was suppose to invade Erathia. The Blade itself was supposed to be a high-tech artifact created by Gelu in order to wipe-out Forge. Catherine and Gelu were initially siblings. Lvl 7 Forge units were supposed to be mechanical dragons. Because they resigned from Forge concept, they added Conflux which was next in the line (so it wasn't a town made in a hurry). There were no plans for other towns/factions
- Angels and Archangels are robots made by the Ancients to fight Kreegans (sic!)

And the most important part: Greg works on/plans to release a game build on Heroes concept in around 3-5 years from now.

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Haregar
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posted July 05, 2018 05:34 PM

blob2 said:

- story was made "on the run", there were no grand storytelling plans moving forward

That is the thing I did not know.

blob2 said:

- as we know Armageddons Blade expansion was initially build around the Forge concept. Heavenly Forge was suppose to invade Erathia. The Blade itself was supposed to be a high-tech artifact created by Gelu in order to wipe-out Forge. Catherine and Gelu were initially siblings. Lvl 7 Forge units were supposed to be mechanical dragons. Because they resigned from Forge concept, they added Conflux which was next in the line (so it wasn't a town made in a hurry). There were no plans for other towns/factions

Haaa, as I expected! Years ago, when I was thinking on how lvl 7 creatures of the Forge could look like if the town was released, I saw in my mind two concepts: one of them was rhino-like colossus, and the second one (in which I had more conviction) was mechadragon.

blob2 said:

And the most important part: Greg works on/plans to release a game build on Heroes concept in around 3-5 years from now.

Man, it would be awesome to see that kind of game! Even if it was set in different universe, I can feel the hype even now. Due to copyrights and stuff it is very much likely this game's going to have plot in different unvierse, but it's not a problem for me. The game's concept per se is more important here.

Damn, to think I was talking the same words over 10 years ago, before HoMM 5 was released. I didn't like HoMM 5 to be honest. Just sayin'.

Anyway, your words made me think about one thing... is this hypothetical game that was mentioned above going to be a classic fantasy, or maybe original mix of sci-fi and fantasy (so something like old Might&Magic games had and what was to be presented in first concept of Armageddon's Blade's addon with the Heavenly Forge as new town)?

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Galaad
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posted July 05, 2018 05:50 PM

Thanks blob2, yes it was relayed here, full english.
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posted July 17, 2018 06:01 PM

lordgraa said:
NimoStar said:
Well the Unreal Engine 3 makes it the most moddable of the Heroes series...


Yes, the original UDK is a blast! But not the abomination which is Heroes editor aka modded UDK by Limbic - its a crashy beast and do not try to make anything big in it... or you will be cursed by erwinomania and become a madman

I know what I am talking about


Hello there. Any information on date when Xel town is out? Links in your footer are dead...

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lordgraa
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posted July 17, 2018 06:18 PM
Edited by lordgraa at 18:20, 17 Jul 2018.

Macron1 said:
Hello there. Any information on date when Xel town is out? Links in your footer are dead...


Just checked both and they are working correctly, so maybe the problem is on your side

About Xel town - I dont have date but all work is done and atm we are finishing with open beta phase so you will get your hands on some nasty aliens pretty soon(TM)
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Findan
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posted July 18, 2018 02:52 AM
Edited by Findan at 02:58, 18 Jul 2018.

Is there a future for Heroes? - My heart hopes for ‘yes’ but my mind says ‘no’.

Even if there is a ‘Heroes 8’ coming soon, I would not expect a groundbreaking experience. It’s the same story all over again. Why would I say that?

Ubisoft hasn’t show even a bit of a will to produce a GOOD game. Look at the whole Heroes 7 development process. It was just a play for the public eye, with most of the features already decided. The publisher is focused on the profit, not the quality and I don’t think they will sell such a valuable name as Heroes to anyone. The choices given weren’t true choices. There was a lot of confusion and a failure at the end. Some of you claim Heroes VII to be a good game. Just look at the User score on MetaCritic: 4.9 out of 10. (As a scientist, I believe statistics are better measure than easily corrupted journalism, so I don’t even bother looking deeper in magazine-based reviews).

I think the fanbase is actually the issue and also the source of such an attitude from Ubisoft. It was just embarrassing to read all the comments. It easily exposed an immature profile of an average player. I could not believe my eyes to see people willing to pre-order a game for a premium price when it was already obvious it will be botched at the launch. With such a wide range of high quality games on the market, I simply refuse to even listen to people saying the graphics and art design in H7 is good and the gameplay is decent. Absolutely not.

There is nothing to cry and complaint about people. You asked for it yourself (yes, I am addressing many of you here as I still remember names of people I ‘argued’ with on the official development site). I just hope you munch on this tasteless piece every day

Advice for the future – Do not pre-order something as obviously bad as H7. Do not play a charity (‘Oh, ‘X’ looks bad because the developers have a low budget’/’Oh, the developers use the resources they have’/’Lets support them and pay them a premium price to keep the name alive!’) and do not make excuses for company’s underspending and unprofessional conduct. Wake up in the 2018 - times with advanced graphic possibilities and computational solutions. There is no excuse for the game’s lacking aesthetics and compromised gameplay.

Yes, my name is Bitter Betty. I am sorry guys. I just loved Heroes 3 and Heroes 5 and it really sucks to see how your beloved game is dying. For such a high price I want something like the Witcher 3 or Civilization V or Mass Effect series. At the end, we are customers and as I said many times, no one would pay £20 for a rotten fruit at the store.

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blob2
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Blob-Ohmos the Second
posted July 18, 2018 10:02 AM

Findan said:
Some of you claim Heroes VII to be a good game. Just look at the User score on MetaCritic: 4.9 out of 10. (As a scientist, I believe statistics are better measure than easily corrupted journalism, so I don’t even bother looking deeper in magazine-based reviews).


Statistics can give some general conclusions (like the overall feel), but imo when it comes to user scores those can be as much as biased as magazine reviews. For instance, there are cases of generally favored games which suddenly dropped in overall scores cause developers added a criticized functionality. Or sometimes it's not even related to the game itself, but a change in companies policy or some kind of affair which cause a player uproar etc. See where I'm getting at? Ofc that is not to say Heroes 7 was a good game, don't get me wrong

Findan said:
I think the fanbase is actually the issue and also the source of such an attitude from Ubisoft. It was just embarrassing to read all the comments. It easily exposed an immature profile of an average player. I could not believe my eyes to see people willing to pre-order a game for a premium price when it was already obvious it will be botched at the launch.


That is a general issue with pre-orders nowadays, a negative phenomenon that is widely discussed in the gaming industry (ofc not by the developers themselves, it's profit for them afterall). Players buy pre-orders without restraint, so that makes them consent with their exploitation by gaming developers.

The only argument I can find is that there is great demand for some titles, and without pre-ordering you might not actually get the game on day one (like the recent shortages of physical copies of Octopath Traveler). Not to mention collector editions which become "out of stock" shortly after being uploaded to online stores. That creates a circle in which people literally rush to pre-order the game, and companies build on the hype.

Findan said:
Advice for the future – Do not pre-order something as obviously bad as H7. Do not play a charity (‘Oh, ‘X’ looks bad because the developers have a low budget’/’Oh, the developers use the resources they have’/’Lets support them and pay them a premium price to keep the name alive!’) and do not make excuses for company’s underspending and unprofessional conduct.


If I recall correctly, actually the fanbase was already pretty skeptical after Heroes 6. I don't believe there were many of us who trusted Ubisoft at that point. Most of the people who actually buy games like Heroes are like "Oh I remember playing this when I was younger, it was good!" (in Poland for instance the game is a cult-classic and it's name has a really high esteem). They do not follow forums and fan-sites. And this "nostalgia" factor is cited almost in every discussion regarding the franchise, so it's nothing new...

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Findan
Findan


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posted July 18, 2018 05:44 PM

Well Blob2, this could start a discussion about what is better - a chaotic Frankenstein created by masses or a risky vision of one person/small group.

It is difficult to guess what is actually better because an average player's opinion works in a 01 code. Either a strong like or dislike, therefore the precision in rating is what we are missing. On the other side, one person cannot speak for everyone.

I just wish we had a game that wouldn't be a step back ... or even a run back in case of Heroes 7. Ubisoft has enough money but not enough of a good will to invest properly. If there is going to be a Heroes 8, I think it needs more time, better concepts and more resources and professional team. Heroes games aren't famous for their breathtaking stories but the gameplay and aesthetics should be on point. H7 feels amateur and the lack of experience in creating games is quite strong here.

About the fanbase, I am sorry but I strongly disagree. I have participated in it until the game was released. There were tons of people complaining and criticising the game. Some of them were banned even... and some of those names, after all of the fuss, declared either on the official forum or here that they pre-ordered the game. Though, the most annoying type to me is the one that makes excuses for the developers and there were many. I cannot even find a word to describe this phenomenon. A good game is when the quality on a plate is served. There is no room for compromises. I am yet to hear about H7's in a very good way.

I wish Heroes 8 to be released from its 'oppressors' - Ubisoft/inexperienced development team/people without artistic eye/people having no clue about strategy games. Only then the game will come back to its glory.    

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Forsberg
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Adventuring Hero
posted July 18, 2018 07:11 PM
Edited by Forsberg at 19:12, 18 Jul 2018.

I doubt there is future for the original series (similarity to the H3-H5). Newer Heroes are more outside genre than ever. I barely touched H6, H7 uinstalled after 1 hour. For me, old player who remembers 1998-1999, playing H6-H7 was disgrace.

For now I enjoy Heroes 5.5, an excellent expansion for the Heroes V, I think the only one and truly legacy of Heroes III. Nival has done great work and modders made cherry on the top.

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verriker
verriker


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Legendary Hero
Erwin Data Modeler
posted July 18, 2018 10:04 PM

Findan said:
Though, the most annoying type to me is the one that makes excuses for the developers and there were many. I cannot even find a word to describe this phenomenon. A good game is when the quality on a plate is served. There is no room for compromises. I am yet to hear about H7's in a very good way.


I agree there is no word which does this retarded self-flagellating behaviour justice but I would make do with terms corporate apologism, corporate cultism, Mammonism, something along those lines lol
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blob2
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posted July 18, 2018 10:57 PM
Edited by blob2 at 22:58, 18 Jul 2018.

I'm only wondering what was the point of this charade... don't tell me that Heroes franchise made them even a fraction of what other popular games generated in terms of income. Was there a sense in keeping it alive past Heroes 6?

I think it was more of an experiment. Maybe there were good intentions at some point (Nival), maybe some of them at Ubi really wanted the franchise to shine (most of them are supposedly players, so they had some nostalgia in them I belive). But at some point it became this "let's keep the budget as low as possible, get a studio that we can easily scrape (small Central Europe one would be perfect) and see where it'll get us" endeavour.

Heroes 7 was either one last cash grab, another form of the experiment or simply a completion of some the amends they took somewhere along the line (like delivering on a contract or something)...

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Elvin
Elvin


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What if Elvin was female?
posted July 19, 2018 05:50 AM

As long as the franchise stands they can produce and sell easy-to-make spin offs. Maybe it's a general strategy to take advantage of existing franchises and/or create new ones. Revive prince of Persia, reflect on it and create assassin's creed. Assassin's creed works, new franchise created. Mass production again.
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lordgraa
lordgraa


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posted July 19, 2018 11:33 AM
Edited by lordgraa at 11:34, 19 Jul 2018.

Sorry to interrupt your conversation but I have to share this:

Ubisoft Shanghai is looking for "Might & Magic Heroes brand expert and evangelist..."

Did they send Mr. Erwan to the exiled lands already?

If you want to read the full job offer: Senior Brand Manager (Might & Magic projects)
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Stevie
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posted July 19, 2018 11:41 AM

Old news.
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Elvin
Elvin


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Omnipresent Hero
What if Elvin was female?
posted July 19, 2018 12:10 PM

Where is that greetings from China meme when you need it?
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lordgraa
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posted July 19, 2018 01:21 PM
Edited by lordgraa at 13:24, 19 Jul 2018.

Stevie said:
Old news.


Yet they still haven`t found what/who they are looking for

Elvin said:
Where is that greetings from China meme when you need it?




You are welcome
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blob2
blob2


Legendary Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
posted July 19, 2018 04:52 PM
Edited by blob2 at 16:56, 19 Jul 2018.

Might be related to Heroes III: Era of Chaos.

The question is: does the recruit need expertise in classic Heroes lore or the TrAshan one...

PS: This one made me giggle: "Ability to defend one’s point of view, even when unpopular".

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bitmaid
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posted July 22, 2018 12:07 AM

Well unlike the Anglo-sphere, the fan base in China and East Europe is alive and well. I suppose China is a bigger & more lucrative market. We've seen this go down before where companies expand into the Chinese market with blatant cash-grab moves, PopCap being a prime example (it was a flop). It is indeed the land of exile and I wouldn't expect any quality game to come out of there.

I mentioned going to a Heroes concert in Poland last year where I asked Paul Romero if there will be Heroes 8 & he replied yes. And he supposedly has had another concert in Russia this year. The EE fans are still actively making Heroes music, mods etc. If there is to be a spiritual successor to the franchise, not something made by sweat shop for the sole purpose of milking money, I'd expect it from EE.

I also know a couple of other people who worked on integral parts of H7 but I haven't the heart to ask them about the future of the franchise, because something happened recently about Far Cry 5 actually that made me distrust Ubisoft completely. I'm now convinced Ubisoft has become corrupted & rotten inside out. It's become very dysfunctional internally and there are a lot of unhappy people and oppressive management that affect the whole company & all its studios. You wouldn't know given FC5's success, but it's fair to say I won't pay another dime on anything  published by Ubisoft to sustain their ill practice. This is coming from someone who's been a fan since the days of Rayman on Dos.

With the job offer posted by lordgraa, it appears Ubisoft would rather pawn the franchise off to make the last bit of money than sell it to someone who can revive it. For me this is the real beginning of the end. A sad day for all.

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bitmaid
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posted July 22, 2018 12:50 AM

I just want to add, if they're pivoting there's only a handful of outcomes.

- if they focus on the Chinese market, it has to be mobile bc PC games get pirated af out there. And the franchise simply becomes soulless and dies.

- if they target a different audience (they can easily draw the conclusion that old players no longer have faith in them) they will dumb it way down to pander to kids. It's kind of what happened to CIV 6 graphics-wise. I'm still reeling till this day about the atrocious kiddie leaders.

- if they still want to publish globally, this time it's going to be a lesser H7 produced by an even cheaper & less competent studio

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