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Thread: [H3] Deeply Inundated Dungeon (puzzle map)
RoseKavalier
RoseKavalier


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posted April 23, 2018 05:46 AM
Edited by RoseKavalier at 16:30, 07 May 2018.

[H3] Deeply Inundated Dungeon (puzzle map)

DOWNLOAD (Google Drive)
Updated to 1.01 ~ fixed some text and the Dungeon town event which was not taking daily 500 gold.
Updated to 1.02 ~ removed battles over water which required Quick Combat. Minor sequence rearrangement.

Quick info
* Play on Impossible (you don't get to keep Resources anyway)
* Use HDmod
* Don't use HD+ or 'Save before battle'
* If you want to use HD+, use SoD_SP and restore original obstacles and RNG


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This is my second map release for HoMM3, the first being here. It is of similar difficulty in my opinion, there are no big battles required to win although you will be seriously challenged at times. I had originally planned 2 XL maps but after finding out some limitations of the game engine, I scrapped one of the XL maps and used some of its ideas in this map instead.

Victory Condition
Transport the Necklace of Ocean Guidance to a Dungeon Town.

Loss condition
Three days have gone by.

About the map
The map will seem unplayable when looking at it but it starts just fine. There's a reason for this - which I'll get to shortly.


The in-game view of the scenario is more informative:


This is your starting area:


Your hero is Gunnar, and he is pretty fast. At least he's got that going forward!


Some of you may have difficulty opening the map - and as a matter of fact, you will need to play this with HDmod or WoG with new map sizes enabled, this map is tiny at 18x18! In a few days I will release an update to Unleashed map editor so anyone interested can easily open it. In the meantime, this is what the map looks like:


I also highly recommend using the latest SoD_SP version for some extra visuals.


If you have any questions, ask away.
The map is 100% beatable - I've tested quite a bit to ensure that.

How fast can you win?
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wenwell
wenwell

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posted April 23, 2018 10:34 AM
Edited by wenwell at 12:07, 23 Apr 2018.

Hello.

I defeat MotherNature on first day with quickcombat: https://imgur.com/a/W6clM1W

0-quantity creatures can be divided, so you can amass legions of trolls, harpies eth. in you army, with this all battles can be finished with quickcombat. Looks strange, due to plot and map's structure I can assume that this should not be like that.

also, quickcombat somehow inadequately evalute hex-aid tent's in Mother Nature's army. With quickcombat this fight is easer than without it. A year ago, I tested a fight with 6424lvl Tazar and same problem occur, quickcombat cannot take in consideration a Tazar's level and all army can be defeated like normal.

And this must be said - this new map looks amazing and full of new ideas which you can feel even without playing it at all

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RoseKavalier
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posted April 23, 2018 03:26 PM
Edited by RoseKavalier at 15:33, 23 Apr 2018.

wenwell thanks for your comment!

Sadly, I did not even consider that 0-creatures could be split; this is really unintended. If you want a real taste of the map try it without this bug.

I will try to see if there's a way to prevent this, otherwise add a note to players and a memo tu future-me

EDIT: this appears to be a HD-mod specific bug with the split hotkeys, there is no check if creature > 0. Heroes3 doesn't let you split 0-stacks with shift.
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wenwell
wenwell

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posted April 23, 2018 11:57 PM
Edited by wenwell at 23:58, 23 Apr 2018.

Ah, Maybe, I get it.



SPOILER - SPOILER - SPOILER

SPOILER - SPOILER - SPOILER










Nice trick with deadly wood observatory/dangerous scouting and true road preservation for the upper left corner. I dont know where I need exactly to go, but I think that core strategy around this tricks.


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RoseKavalier
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posted April 24, 2018 04:32 AM

Hehehe.

I cannot stress this enough.


i.e. choose your path carefully!
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wenwell
wenwell

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posted April 25, 2018 01:43 AM
Edited by wenwell at 01:49, 25 Apr 2018.

Some important steps, beware the spoilers:https://imgur.com/a/spkTIDE

I skipped all fights except for first two, so it cannot be consider as finish and I dont know how logistic riddles would work with battles (maybe, I supposed to reach a dungeon on third day?). All puzzles on which I have a scrap are realy good.

Would like to see how someone complete this map in right way (I'm done for a while)

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RoseKavalier
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posted April 25, 2018 03:22 AM

Good show so far
Logistics is a big part of it, but battles are most of the rest.

I'm not gonna reveal anything for a while so that anyone who wants a go can try without spoilers.
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wenwell
wenwell

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posted April 25, 2018 05:06 AM
Edited by wenwell at 05:06, 25 Apr 2018.

One thing worry me - a start choice for the Mother Nature. Resources seems suitable for her name and a little less hp is not bad for me. But maybe this ring would be needed in some deeds after defeating.

And yeah, there is a spot where you can land a ship  

Leave these questions for the next player.

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wenwell
wenwell

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posted April 25, 2018 11:28 PM
Edited by wenwell at 01:42, 26 Apr 2018.

Some spoilers for battle with Mother Nature. This battle would testing you knowledge how to use certain spell. yeah, I cannot leave like this without trying main dish





Casts sequence

summon fire elem and left him in corner, wyvern fly away

cast antimagion on wyvern

cast armag (2 times) for aid tents destruction

wyvern must beat with poison, little rng here (30%)

cast slow

after 2 turns of poison she would have enought pollution level  for hypnotize

crush her with ligtning bolt (pendant of negativity will not save her)



as I said, I playing this battle without testing nearly all previous fights (exception is - 2 cavaliers, 1 black knight, wyvern vs firebird and Mother Nature after this)

p.s. seems like you need not necessary to beat 2 behes in the box

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RoseKavalier
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posted April 26, 2018 04:44 AM


Keep it up!
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wenwell
wenwell

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posted April 26, 2018 05:57 PM
Edited by wenwell at 19:32, 26 Apr 2018.

Complete a map: https://imgur.com/a/2Z22ZLi

Troll vs Angel and Devil vs Naga Queens is a most hardest fights in my opinion. Battles in this map is a much complicated than logistick tricks.

More detailed report will coming soon


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wenwell
wenwell

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posted April 26, 2018 09:24 PM
Edited by wenwell at 21:48, 26 Apr 2018.

Some essential things:

troll vs angel: https://imgur.com/a/ZswIYzw

devil vs naga queens: https://imgur.com/a/tflyaBU

peasants: https://imgur.com/a/1Juhibk

peasants 2: https://imgur.com/a/2BFscYl

papashka Ufretin case: https://imgur.com/a/td6OX65

harpy vs black knight: https://imgur.com/a/ZMRNaOR

wolves and cerberus vs 2 vamps: https://imgur.com/a/ba7eRHp

pixies vs swordsmans: https://imgur.com/a/0ROPw52

I dont pick a box with town portal, althought have enought mana and movepoints after fight with Mother Nature.

In a fight with Nagas, I used bad strategy, it's resulting in harsh rng, took about 30-40 minutes a same movements to pass this wall.

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RoseKavalier
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posted April 27, 2018 04:34 AM

Very good!

You've unraveled most of it - there are still a few things hidden in if you care to look for them
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wenwell
wenwell

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posted April 27, 2018 07:33 AM
Edited by wenwell at 08:37, 27 Apr 2018.

this one?

https://imgur.com/a/iEUMBts

like this, map can be completed in less than minute after fight with black knight, you can defeat Mother Nature with crystal dragon on quick combat, get the hat, open observatory for dungeon, summon a boath, get money from ships and grab artefact on day two, buy Haart and give him necklace. La  Fine.

too easy

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RoseKavalier
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posted April 27, 2018 02:29 PM

Hahaha, new way to win but roughly same result
That was some of what was left. Yes, some)
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wenwell
wenwell

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posted April 28, 2018 09:28 PM

for wining condition on first day I see that we need somehow to avoid the tax paying (1 crystal + 1 mercury = pity 100 gold) and give a try to farm enought nickles (without a Captain's Hat it's a more effective, maybe), but I dont think that
we have enought movepoints to do that and I'm too lazy to testing it.

also, that tricky path is tricky:https://imgur.com/a/phXZPg5

Now I see that with this path it's possible to save a bit of movepoints.

and there is a much more simple, less mana consuming and fast way to beat Mother Nature - cast clone on wyvern, original wyvern fly away, clone beat with poison, cast hypnotize right after this,  we don't need to destroy aid tents

p.s will be good if I can grab this juicy 10 mercury + box, but I dont know if this is possible (at least, I need to block a portal using a boat, but for first day?)

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RoseKavalier
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posted May 07, 2018 04:41 PM

Updated the map to 1.02.

There are no longer battles over water requiring Quick Combat.
A minor sequence adjustment has also been made...

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For those interested in spoilers, Ramsrock39 spent about 9 hours streaming the map (v 1.00), finishing on 1/1/2.
Part 1
Part 2

Also a couple of fight solutions by Marlo Stanfield (HeroesWorld).
One
Two

I will hold onto my own spoilers for some more time.
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