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phoenix4ever
Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
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posted May 30, 2019 09:06 AM |
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Poll Question:
Do you play with Diplomacy?
Do you allow Diplomacy in Heroes 3?
And how "broken" do you think the skill is?
What could be done to make it fair? All joins costs money?, level 6-7 creatures can't join or something else?
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted May 30, 2019 09:20 AM |
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It is broken of course  Maybe if it cost gold and/or allowed a portion of the stack to join.
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RerryR
Promising
Supreme Hero
Researching Magic
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posted May 30, 2019 09:36 AM |
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Elvin said:
It is broken of course Maybe if it cost gold and/or allowed a portion of the stack to join.
Yes, random stack of joiners can ruin a game.
You can play carefully the whole game, avoid battle loses and collect every available creature on the map, whenever possible or you are just lucky and get a big stack of level 7 creatures for free... fun in hotseat is over GG
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phe
Famous Hero
Life and Freedom
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posted May 30, 2019 10:33 AM |
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Salamandre said not so far ago that introduction of maintanance cost of creatures could fix it… maybe for all or just for creatures recruited by Diplomacy...
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted May 30, 2019 11:08 AM |
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Like any mercenary army in RL. Maintenance based on créature level, solved.
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RerryR
Promising
Supreme Hero
Researching Magic
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posted May 30, 2019 12:59 PM |
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Edited by RerryR at 13:01, 30 May 2019.
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imo wouldn't like my army to cost money  they shall just fight and shut up.
while it might help to solve the problem of hughe stacks joining, it also changes whole gameplay.
There are easier ways of fixing Diplomacy
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted May 30, 2019 01:19 PM |
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Upkeep would help make townsitting and sustaining instant diplomacy gains harder but it just doesn't feel right for homm..
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted May 30, 2019 01:40 PM |
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Look, is like lords vs kings, wealth matters. Your subjects (creatures you recruit in the towns you conquered) fight for your glory. The others, neutral mercenaries, will join you for a fee THEN need daily maintenance. If it doesn't feel like Heroes, then take the easy way, just ban diplomacy, better?
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted May 30, 2019 02:19 PM |
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I generally hate maintenance, upkeep and repair mechanics in games. We have plenty of that in real life 
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Otuken
Famous Hero
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posted May 31, 2019 01:01 AM |
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I would really like to see maintenance cost for every creatures but wouldn't it hurt Necropolis and Inferno more than other towns?
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longtry
Adventuring Hero
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posted June 26, 2019 06:15 AM |
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Undeads should not cost money for maintenance. After all, they don't have human (or other living creatures) needs for food, shelter, sex, etc...
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Slior
Tavern Dweller
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posted June 30, 2019 01:16 PM |
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what is this?
what is Diplomacy mod?
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zombiewhacker
Adventuring Hero
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posted July 12, 2019 05:00 AM |
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Huge diplomacy fan here... that's why I always play Tower with Cyra.
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purerogue3
Famous Hero
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posted April 30, 2026 06:02 AM |
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I've figured a way to tie diplomacy with a hero (without surrender bonus, which doesn't work well) so that you can't outsource it.
1. Turn off the premonition of visions/spying(rogues).
2. Joining does not consider hero+army strength
This way, the only way to know if they are amenable is to ask, and if they are not, you better be able to win! (or lose your army).
I'll post the hex mod later when it's done.
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Gremlinking
Tavern Dweller
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posted July 23, 2026 01:46 PM |
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There are some templates, which have Diplomacy as an important element, so yes, I use it. In custom maps it can be integrated too. So my answer is: it depends.
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Ghost
Undefeatable Hero
Therefore I am
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posted July 23, 2026 08:20 PM |
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Diplomacy vs Necromancy vs Fear spell (RoE) vs Artifact..
I started to give computer opponents on the mapeditor.. When RoE, I gave the best SS.. Thus RoE doesn't use an Earth, etc than Red Orb, etc but RoE used Diplomacy.. In principle pure Might.. Magic came in AB.. And then computer used lesser Diplomacy.. You can still see Might in some RoE and AB maps, even if SoD.. Computer missed an old?!
Ok remember what? Random or custom monsters.. RoE scenario maps felt right, when no or rare lvl 7.. But no templates..
Yes HotA and ERA can make some creatures have a Dilpomacy immune.. And from a perspective H4 changed Dilpomacy.. So broken.. But H3, so hard to change something.. When many things joined with Diplomacy.. H4 has succeeded to separate every things, but you don't like H4, when you can't play well.. I can't play other PC games than old games..
I like a Diplomacy.. One funnier that you are Fortress, so Diplomacy, and you use skeletons them.. LoL - think about Lord Haart..
Tries different things..
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