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Heroes Community > Library of Enlightenment > Thread: You've got 4 great skills already, now what is your next choice?
Thread: You've got 4 great skills already, now what is your next choice?
longtry
longtry


Adventuring Hero
posted August 04, 2019 05:47 PM

Poll Question:
You've got 4 great skills already, now what is your next choice?

We've got past the early game and have picked a pretty dreamy set of secondary skills - Logistics, Earth, Air and Wisdom. From here on begins the mid game. Even with such unbelievable luck for being able to choose those 4 ground-breaking secondaries, the match is far from over because, well, let's say your opponent played very well and got a really good start; while you're somewhat handicapped.

And your main hero is level up right now with 2 new choices...

Responses:
Intelligence
Armorer
Fire
Tactics
Water
Archery
Offense
Pathfinding
Leadership
Other (pls specify in a post)
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monere
monere


Supreme Hero
posted August 04, 2019 09:11 PM

picked Armorer just because I'm a defensive freak, even though I don't need armorer / offense against the dumb AI, but... when you're a freak it's hard to change

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phoenix4ever
phoenix4ever


Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
posted August 04, 2019 10:31 PM

Guess I'll go with Offense this time, I prefer to attack instead of being attacked.

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Gravedigger
Gravedigger


Hired Hero
posted August 05, 2019 04:03 PM

As for me there is no clear answer it all depends of such things as city, creatures, even hero on its own.
EXAMPLE: There is no need for tactics if your army is just bunch of dragons and angels, but if you own Stronghold that makes sense.

Since im playing mostly my own maps 1vs7 200% my goal most of the time would be armorer. I don't understand why most of us took other skills as higher priority than armorer. I could understand logistic and earth magic but wisdom ?

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monere
monere


Supreme Hero
posted August 05, 2019 06:07 PM

Quote:
I could understand logistic and earth magic but wisdom ?
what good are town portal and resurection for if you can't learn them?

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Gravedigger
Gravedigger


Hired Hero
posted August 05, 2019 08:39 PM

monere said:
Quote:
I could understand logistic and earth magic but wisdom ?
what good are town portal and resurection for if you can't learn them?


yep my bad i mistook it with a Intelligence skill, and wondered why do you need more mana points over armorer

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bloodsucker
bloodsucker


Legendary Hero
posted August 05, 2019 10:47 PM

Gravedigger said:
... and wondered why do you need more mana points over armorer

If I had Archangels, clone and Water surely I would prefer Intelligence to Armorer. Also, playing against AI and if you don't have Shackles, to lose units you can recover with spellpoints is a good trick to make them remain in battle until it's too late.
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longtry
longtry


Adventuring Hero
posted August 06, 2019 05:36 AM

Gravedigger said:
As for me there is no clear answer it all depends of such things as city, creatures, even hero on its own.
EXAMPLE: There is no need for tactics if your army is just bunch of dragons and angels, but if you own Stronghold that makes sense.

Since im playing mostly my own maps 1vs7 200% my goal most of the time would be armorer. I don't understand why most of us took other skills as higher priority than armorer. I could understand logistic and earth magic but wisdom ?
If your army is a bunch of dragons & angels even before the mid game, then any 2ndaries don't matter.
Quote:
Guess I'll go with Offense this time, I prefer to attack instead of being attacked.
Sometimes I think if all other things are equal, then Armorer = Offense + Archery. It's just a guess, I'm happy if someone can point me to a source or a correction.

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longtry
longtry


Adventuring Hero
posted August 07, 2019 01:17 AM

Thank you so much! Yes I was wanting to compare them. The simple line of thinking was that, because Armorer affects all troops while Offense only affect melees and Archery only shooters, the former is better. But they actually have different % increased per Basic, Advanced or Expert levels.

The link is very neat. I wonder whether the Air shield & Armorer's arrow tower "bug" is fixed in HotA or not. Dargem is quite a good hero for Cove, but maybe he's not suitable to siege at all?

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zmudziak22
zmudziak22


Famous Hero
posted August 07, 2019 12:47 PM

Dargem is good hero. He has Tactics and Air Shield, so you can secure Pirates and Witches from being hit by flying units of enemy. If you learn Ballistics and Expert Air, you can mass Air Shield before Arrow Towers.

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phoenix4ever
phoenix4ever


Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
posted August 07, 2019 01:37 PM
Edited by phoenix4ever at 13:38, 07 Aug 2019.

zmudziak22 said:
If you learn Ballistics and Expert Air, you can mass Air Shield before Arrow Towers.

Nope, Arrow Towers always shoots first regardless if you have Ballistics or not. Part of the reason why Ballistics sucks.

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longtry
longtry


Adventuring Hero
posted August 07, 2019 05:51 PM

zmudziak22 said:
Dargem is good hero. He has Tactics and Air Shield, so you can secure Pirates and Witches from being hit by flying units of enemy. If you learn Ballistics and Expert Air, you can mass Air Shield before Arrow Towers.
Maybe you didn't read the linked post, but Air shield seems to increase the damage (a bug). But towers shoot 1st, as phoenix pointed out anyway.

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phoenix4ever
phoenix4ever


Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
posted August 07, 2019 10:59 PM

@longtry I can't remember if it's HD Mod or HotA, but one of them fixed the Armorer/Air Shield bug.

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longtry
longtry


Adventuring Hero
posted August 08, 2019 05:23 AM

Er... doesn't HotA include HD?

BTW, look at the poll result till now. It's a tie! This defense-attack competition is like a battle between an unmovable object and an unstoppable force

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Maurice
Maurice

Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
posted August 08, 2019 10:12 AM

longtry said:
Er... doesn't HotA include HD?


Nope, they're separate mods / expansions.
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Orc
Orc


Known Hero
posted December 07, 2019 02:28 PM

longtry said:


The link is very neat. I wonder whether the Air shield & Armorer's arrow tower "bug" is fixed in HotA or not. Dargem is quite a good hero for Cove, but maybe he's not suitable to siege at all?



its fixed in Era II last time I checked.

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phoenix4ever
phoenix4ever


Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
posted December 07, 2019 05:48 PM

Also fixed in HotA or was it HD Mod?...

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