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Thread: Why AI can't use..
Ghost
Ghost


Legendary Hero
Therefore I am
posted June 30, 2020 04:59 PM

Why AI can't use..

I don't know where do I put thread. Ok Why AI can't use Necromancy, Diplomacy or Berserk. I hope someone modder creates a new difficulty level is Nightmare: AI can grows skeletons, builds Cloak of the Undead King, casts Berserk and Diplomacy. And then Fear spell to only AI, so AI grows legion without crashes game from factory error edition: RoE version 1,0. Where was AI grew 200k of Monks, for example.

Today I played WoG/ERA II. Trained AI doesn't help AIs.

Hmm sometimes someone said/called an odd AI, cheated AI, etc those aren't true. Machine is machine. But AI engine is too bad. Chess engine over 3000 ELO ratings played beautiful games. No AI but raw math and fine algorithm. And 1970's games were very impossible, I've played two color spacebattle game. Game lasted many hours. Because of 1 live/man. If I/you failed, so back to the start, because only 1 live/man.

Ok limited AI, we talk about it. HotA and ERA have little progress.
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FirePaladin
FirePaladin


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Undercover modder
posted June 30, 2020 05:13 PM

I think HotA AI does all/most of those things. Tjose limitations existed in the original H3 to not make the AI too powerful.
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gatecrasher
gatecrasher


Famous Hero
posted June 30, 2020 06:42 PM

FirePaladin said:
Tjose limitations existed in the original H3 to not make the AI too powerful.


WAT? AI too powerful? I think it was just a matter of time and money, of architectural limitations or of technologies not yet available.

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FirePaladin
FirePaladin


Supreme Hero
Undercover modder
posted June 30, 2020 08:00 PM

It was so the AI won't be too challenging.
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Phoenix4ever
Phoenix4ever


Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
posted June 30, 2020 08:36 PM

Ehm AI does use Diplomacy and Necromancy, does it not?

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Ghost
Ghost


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Therefore I am
posted June 30, 2020 08:47 PM

Phoenix4ever said:
Ehm AI does use Diplomacy and Necromancy, does it not?


Yeah AI never grew the largest skeletons, and human player beat AI by Diplomacy. AI doesn't "interest" Diplomacy. I remember AI can grows skeletons in HotA.
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Barbuta
Barbuta


Hired Hero
posted July 01, 2020 01:59 PM
Edited by Barbuta at 14:03, 01 Jul 2020.

AI does use necromancy and diplomacy, it just isn't very good at keeping skeletons alive.

But it does not use Disguise, Force field, Landmine, Quicksand, Remove Obstacle, Earthquake, Berserk, Fire wall, Scuttle Boat, View Earth, View Air, Visions.

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phoenix4ever
phoenix4ever


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posted July 01, 2020 02:12 PM
Edited by phoenix4ever at 14:13, 01 Jul 2020.

It does use Earthquake, in HotA it also uses Berserk, not sure about View Air/Earth and Visions.

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Mortarial
Mortarial

Tavern Dweller
posted July 12, 2020 01:25 PM
Edited by Mortarial at 19:01, 14 Jul 2020.

AI doesn't use Slayer, Sacrifice and Forgetfulness too.
Edit: I was confused since AI_value of these spells is equal to AI_value of spells that AI never uses (Fire Wall etc).

About Necromancy: in SoD AI always raises exactly 1 Skeleton (or Lich), even if it should've raise 100% of the creatures slain.

In HotA this bug is fixed but another bug appeared: AI somehow raises 1 or 2 more Skeletons than it should be.

Edit: number of additional Skeletons increases with creatures slain, for example after killing 1000 Gnolls, AI hero with 15% Necromancy raised 170 Skeletons (20 more than is should be).

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Barbuta
Barbuta


Hired Hero
posted July 14, 2020 02:08 PM

I don't know about Slayer but the AI definatly uses Forgetfulness and Sacrifice

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Mortarial
Mortarial

Tavern Dweller
posted July 14, 2020 06:51 PM

Barbuta said:
I don't know about Slayer but the AI definatly uses Forgetfulness and Sacrifice

Yeap, you are right, Slayer is used too.

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Baronus
Baronus


Promising
Supreme Hero
posted July 14, 2020 07:59 PM

When I was beginner AI attacks with 10k skeletons so AI use it but maybe later. In big maps.
Best AI is in HI and II. HIV is tragedy. No initiative on the map. Only battle but cant use potions.
In in if AI is genius you dont be able to win playing 200%.

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phoenix4ever
phoenix4ever


Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
posted November 11, 2020 11:04 AM

Okay so I just had a look into this again and it seems like AI can't use these adventure spells:
View Air, View Earth, Disguise, Scuttle Boat and Visions.

It also can't use these combat spells:
Fire Wall (Luna specialty), Quicksand, Remove Obstacle, Land Mine, Force Field and Berserk. (In HotA AI can actually use Berserk.)

Does nobody know how to make the AI actually use these spells?
I know it would probably not use all spells optimal, but I would like to experiment a bit...

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batoonike
batoonike


Known Hero
posted November 14, 2020 12:03 PM

For info, it used earthquake yesterday in h3 complete. Those obstacle-based spells like firewall, force field etc are harder tto code so they prolly skipped them for that reason.

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