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friendofgunnar
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posted August 05, 2020 06:10 AM

Kipshasz said:
every religion is ok, except for all the christian protestant sects, esspecially "church" of England. those go on the pyre.


whyzzat?

haven't been here frequently if that's been covered before

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posted August 05, 2020 06:34 AM

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They are Satanists, you mean.

Man, the Church of Satan are an incredibly empathetic, moral, upstanding, law-abiding and honest group of life-loving hedonists. No need to throw them under the bus, they're good people.

... Oh. And they're athiests. They just call themselves a church to trigger Christian fundamentalists and to point out the hypocrisy of other US churches that don't pay taxes, but are for-profit organizations that still try to influence their nation's government. (Iirc, they funnel all donations (ALL of them) not needed to keep the lights on to charities, and I think they still pay taxes, though my job's internet doesn't let me look things up on google while here so I could be wrong on that.)
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posted August 05, 2020 07:33 AM

Love them already.
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posted August 05, 2020 08:04 AM

Would be unnecessary in the States, meanwhile. Since you cannot be disadvantaged because of your religion, you cannot be disadvantaged when youi're atheist either, so you can found the First Church of Atheism or whatever.

In other words - no need to hijack honest, old-fashioned, meaningful names anymore.

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posted August 05, 2020 11:38 AM

friendofgunnar said:
Kipshasz said:
every religion is ok, except for all the christian protestant sects, esspecially "church" of England. those go on the pyre.


whyzzat?

haven't been here frequently if that's been covered before



Where do I begin my good man?

Martin Luther, was pissy that he didn't get a cut of that phat indulgence racket, or at least didn't thought of it first, made a mess, and his followers plunged Europe into centuries of meaningless religious infighting weakening the continent as a whole.

Church of England was started by a failure of a king Henry VII, who failed to conceive a singular son with multiple, MULTIPLE CARL, women. Now that we know that the kid's gender comes from the dad, we can poke fun of the syphilitic and call him a coomer and crap, but still, doesn't excuse it.

If you ever encountered a fanatical creationist idiot, chances are, like 99 out of a 100, that he belongs to one or another protestant sect.
Protestant churches make mockery of the liturgies with their lesbian priests, most prominent in lutheran( I think) Sweden and again, jolly old England. Also Seven Day Adventists, or as we call them in my circle, saturdaynwords.
All of those religious nuts, other than creationists, we see in good 'ol US of A, are for the most part, of various protestant sects. People that give a really bad name for the proper faithful, by eschewing the main principle of every faith, which is, it's OK to preach, but it is not ok to force people to your faith. be it weapon(looking at you jihadis) or bullcrap coming out of a "pastor".

Here's some statistics on a map regarding the religious majority in America, minus Alaska and Hawaii.



and yes, muh crusades, muh chomo priests, and other "arguments", that carefully leave out key details.

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posted August 05, 2020 03:31 PM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 15:33, 05 Aug 2020.

Bloodsucker makes a 'freedom from religion' thread and proceeds to get spammed with religious posts lol.
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posted August 05, 2020 04:02 PM

Blizzardboy said:
Bloodsucker makes a 'freedom from religion' thread and proceeds to get spammed with religious posts lol.



Ironic. He could save others from religion... but not himself.
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posted August 05, 2020 04:04 PM

Plus, that map seems so trust worthy and significant as a certain thread about most common ages...
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posted August 05, 2020 04:09 PM

Kipshasz said:
friendofgunnar said:
Kipshasz said:
every religion is ok, except for all the christian protestant sects, esspecially "church" of England. those go on the pyre.


whyzzat?

haven't been here frequently if that's been covered before



Where do I begin my good man?

... [bullsh1t]


Not worth replying to.

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posted August 05, 2020 04:13 PM
Edited by bloodsucker at 16:24, 05 Aug 2020.

And that wasn't the Henry that found the Church of England.
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posted August 05, 2020 04:31 PM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 16:32, 05 Aug 2020.

This is going to be this thread by tomorrow:


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posted August 05, 2020 05:08 PM

Good Blizz brought something to the subject. Dawkins said religion is to blame for violence and religious war. But Dawkins hadn't written or told about the atheist Stalin, Lenin, and Mao. You already know for sure. He's garbage. A true atheist doesn't go to church, what you (gnomes) mentioned is an atheist church. Absolutely pure unfaithful. You must read two books. It helps also agnostic becomes atheist or believer understands why they're atheist, etc When thorough are okay. To easy understand, etc

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posted August 05, 2020 05:21 PM

bloodsucker said:
And that wasn't the Henry that found the Church of England.


oh right, it was the syphilitic after him.
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posted August 05, 2020 07:35 PM
Edited by Baronus at 19:36, 05 Aug 2020.

Baronus

Its easy.
Satans tell you that you should be free?
From what?
From good truth and beauty.
Freedom from all good is captivity of evil.
Its simply logic.
You cant be free from freedom. Its imposible to be the same time free and free from freedom.
Freedom must have logic. This logic we named Gods Law.
And its not only theory. We have 19th century atheisation ,freedom from freedom' and 20th century hell Lenin Stalin Hitler Mao and minor beasts. Its a result of atheisation.

And God existence IS NOT TRUTH OF RELIGION! Itd scientific true. Ancient wise philosophs like Socrates Platon Aristoteles using mind found that God must exist. But only mind is to small. So you must know christianity.

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posted August 05, 2020 07:39 PM

bloodsucker said:
And that wasn't the Henry that found the Church of England.
It was the Henry that found the Church of England, but he had good reason to do so, and there was absolutely nothing wrong with it.

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posted August 05, 2020 07:45 PM

Baronus said:

And God existence IS NOT TRUTH OF RELIGION! Itd scientific true.
Trolling.

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posted August 05, 2020 08:51 PM
Edited by bloodsucker at 21:08, 05 Aug 2020.

It's sheer provocation. Note that in his argument the opposite opinion is absent of logic, cause logic comes from the bullsh!ter who created the lion as a carnivorous that can only survive from killing and then blames the devil for the killing. And if you want to be free you have no option but to submit to his will. He calls it freedom, I call the exact same thing thought slavery.
He is of course right, since logic, free will and all goodness is determined from someone swallowing that sh!t and I am blasphemously wrong cause I don't. Yeah! Sure.

JollyJoker said:
It was the Henry that found the Church of England, but he had good reason to do so, and there was absolutely nothing wrong with it.
What? For all I know (and Wikipedia confirms it) it was Henry the VIII who founded the Church of England. Do you have a source that points to Henry the VII? I admit mine is mostly the TV series The Tudors and Wiki.
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posted August 05, 2020 09:18 PM
Edited by JollyJoker at 21:21, 05 Aug 2020.

Keep calm. "No reason to get excited", a famous thief once said (or will say some time in the future).

We should strive to be better than what this strange god is offering.

EDIT: He missed a "I" (and I misread). Sure, it was Henry VIII. Doesn't matter much. Because it was the correct move.

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posted August 05, 2020 10:31 PM
Edited by tSar-Ivor at 22:56, 05 Aug 2020.

Quote:
We should strive to be better than what this strange god is offering.


Pure hubris. Try every wrong path if that's what it takes, sooner or later you will find yourself at her door and it will be open. Who else will hurt you more, or you her, yet still be drawn to one another. We aren't free and will never be.


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And its not only theory. We have 19th century atheisation ,freedom from freedom' and 20th century hell Lenin Stalin Hitler Mao and minor beasts. Its a result of atheisation.


And before that we had Catholicism and Protestants raining the loving holy fire on each other during the 30 year war (only a couple mill people lost their lives to the savages of both sides).
It is actually pretty funny to have Lenin, Stalin, Hitler and Mao brought up. Religionsare actually Ideologies. As an ideology religion has all the failings and dangers that all such theories relating to morals and structures have, as well as the advantages due to how theories are disseminated and understood, and then acted upon. In the end no matter how watertight a theory it all depends on how it is used. There's no way to define relgion that excludes certain ideologies (and ideologies is itself already pretty vague and difficult to pin down).

So I'd be remiss if I blamed catholic teachings for all the pedo bishops or the millions of lives lost, or all the embezzled cash, the technological advancements that we lost due to many elements of science being a taboo. It's an ideology, but once it takes on a practical role it serves as a tool to bind sheep together to be obedient and submissive or face death or ostracisation. We have the same thing going today under a different umbrella. Same **** different ideology.

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posted August 05, 2020 11:09 PM

tSar-Ivor said:
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We should strive to be better than what this strange god is offering.


Pure hubris. Try every wrong path if that's what it takes, sooner or later you will find yourself at her door and it will be open. Who else will hurt you more, or you her, yet still be drawn to one another. We aren't free and will never be.

Not hubris. FREE WILL!
You know, we actually ARE free. To decide about our own fate. We don't need gods that want to be idolized. Every god worth their name would support us finding them on our own terms and under our own powers.
A god worth worshipping would be loving, understanding and supportive. Or at least that's my take.
It all comes back to free will.
I mean, if free will is important - who cares about the plain, ugly facts?

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