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posted August 02, 2020 05:12 PM |
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Are US Cities Seeing a Surge in Violent Crime as Trump Claims?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53525440
I thought this was an especially good post to serve as a mythbuster for the doom & gloom propaganda.
USA is moving into a Golden Age without the socioeconomic burden of sole superpower status, good riddance. There can be big blips in data due to recent events but the longer trends from 2000-2019 are especially revealing. Trump paints in broad brushstrokes to discredit his opposition out of laziness and to ignite his base. I am a hamster.
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posted August 02, 2020 05:28 PM |
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I just wanted to stop by and remind everyone i'm voting for Trump. 
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posted August 02, 2020 07:29 PM |
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For the populace, crime statistics are open for interpretation, which can only provide a group of individuals, mostly in lower-socioeconomic areas, the unwanted label of a scapegoat for a city's problems. To blame an increase in crime on the political state of an area is quite the stretch. For example, head to a major city in the Americas or Sub-Saharan Africa and no matter which party is in charge, the problems with criminal activity will remain rife.
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posted August 02, 2020 07:32 PM |
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Just the ones run by democrat mayors. like Chiraq.
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posted August 02, 2020 08:27 PM |
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Trogdor said:
For the populace, crime statistics are open for interpretation, which can only provide a group of individuals, mostly in lower-socioeconomic areas, the unwanted label of a scapegoat for a city's problems. To blame an increase in crime on the political state of an area is quite the stretch. For example, head to a major city in the Americas or Sub-Saharan Africa and no matter which party is in charge, the problems with criminal activity will remain rife.
A city can't do a 180 overnight but violent crime will decline overtime with the right policies. Trump wants to pin NYC and Chicago crime on Democrats but he can't do that other than by deceptively pointing to blips in data, like a spike in crime this past July that is likely to dip down again by late summer/early fall.
Over the long term, violent crime has been gradually collapsing.
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posted August 02, 2020 08:43 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 20:44, 02 Aug 2020.
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Democrat-governed cities have the most of every type of crime. Fact. Blacks commit the most murders, rapes, robberies, assaults, etc., and blacks are by and far the most populated in democrat-governed cities. Also fact.
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posted August 02, 2020 09:28 PM |
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The common age for whites is 58. For minorities it is 27. That means substantially more crime. Fact.
The North American largemouth bass is one of the world's most invasive species and has overtaken many of the native bass in the world's river & lake ecosystems. Also fact.
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posted August 02, 2020 10:13 PM |
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Surprise, surprise, Trump lies.
What a discovery!
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posted August 02, 2020 10:37 PM |
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Blizzardboy said:
The common age for whites is 58. For minorities it is 27.
Didn't had any idea of this and it makes all the difference... Of course, if medium age for whites is granny and grandpa, the violent crime has to be committed by minorities. And of course, we never ear about this from the establishment democrats, cause it's much more interesting to pin it on racism then to say one of the most important reasons their minority group is the one filling the prisons is because grannies and grandpas can't point a gun straight cause of Parkinson's disease nor run from the crime scene with their walking aid.
I knew middle age for Fox News viewers was above 70 but I imagined New York to be like in the Sex and the City, at least for that slice of the population. It would look less awesome if Kim Catrall was the kiddo in the group, even if she still is the most interesting of the four...
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posted August 02, 2020 10:56 PM |
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What do you mean by common age? The numbers are too low to be life expectancy.
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posted August 02, 2020 11:17 PM |
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I assume it's the average age of those alive atm.
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posted August 02, 2020 11:53 PM |
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Any youthful population is going to have much higher crime relative to an aging population under the same conditions and circumstances; certainly so for violent crime.
I'm assuming common would be either the mean or the median. I would need to dig up that article except I'm hanging by the pool on my Kindle with a bottle of rum so F that. I believe it was on Pew Research.
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Maybe, but it isn't either/or. Besides, nobody here is trying to win an election so we can speak freely here without worrying about soundbites.
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posted August 03, 2020 12:40 AM |
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I know it's not either/or and I bet if you look at the money stolen (by tax evasion) the whites would be on the top of the list (even if they don't pay taxes on their new private jet) but it certainly changes my perspective on things like: why are gangs composed almost exclusively by minorities? why violent rape is committed more often by minorities and resistless rape by whites? or why motorcyclists conventions are so full of old males?
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posted August 03, 2020 01:49 AM |
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tSar-Ivor said:
I assume it's the average age of those alive atm.
Yes, that’s what makes the most sense but then again it would still mean minorities die quite young on average. Too young. 27 to 58 is a very big gap.
And bloodsucker, that wouldnt make the race argument moot because then, you’d have to explain the reason of this age gap between races.
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posted August 03, 2020 03:02 AM |
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I don't think is moot, I think it contributes to explain a lot of things like some Sal's recent arguments:
- blacks have more kids out of wedlock;
- black on black crime is greater then white on black crime;
- poor blacks tent to be part of gangs, poor whites do not.
As you surely are aware, birth rates decrease significantly with higher education and better life-style but I also find this disproportion excessive to be exclusively explained by that, even if you account for immigration from South America.
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posted August 03, 2020 03:12 AM |
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Yes, birth rates decrease. But say, 60 years ago most poor people had 4 kids and most rich people had 2. Extreme majority of these people, in modern times with medicine etc, would still live to see 60.
You can say younger people immigrate more but immigration didnt start yesterday either. 27 versus 58 is still a suprising gap and needs explanation.
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posted August 03, 2020 03:49 AM |
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Yeahhhhhh, it's all about the age.
Sheer mental gymnastics.
I remember back when i was younger and killing my fellow whites. It was a different time back then. You guys remember killing people and committing the most crime as a younger guy, too? Snow was SO cash.
Just, wow.
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posted August 03, 2020 03:59 AM |
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fred79 said:
You guys remember killing people and committing the most crime as a younger guy, too?
I'm quite sorry to say but I do, I was kind of a gang leader. Not exactly killings and armed robbery but the type of things you see on Once Upon a Time in America, when they were kids.
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posted August 03, 2020 04:36 AM |
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posted August 03, 2020 04:56 AM |
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Sure thing, sugarplum. Has nothing at all to do with gangbanger/drugdealer mentality, which is prevalent in american black culture. Just call it for what it is. Most of black culture is completely snowed. Nobody's fault but their own, and anyone with a brain knows it; even blacks who don't lie to themselves and others.
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