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posted November 06, 2020 10:03 PM

leftists think non-leftists will rejoice if Trump becomes president...

not true. we'll be watching and waiting for when you all go berserk. we anticipate you'll be violent, and we anticipate the mainstream media to paint you all as heroes(again) when you do.

these are grim times; only fools are excited and/or happy right now, no matter what happens.
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posted November 06, 2020 10:25 PM

Last time I checked, Trump IS president, right? And look what the last 4 years have brought to the US. Grim times indeed.

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posted November 06, 2020 10:35 PM

there's gonna be no boog if that's what you're implying Fredmuffin.

That circlejerk in Virginia some months ago was the boog in it's full, utterly retarded glory.

dipcraps with cheapest milsurp gear and bargain bin ARs with no grasp of even the most basic guerilla tactics won't do jack crap, but hide and wank it to MLP trap hentai and other lolbert nonsense in mommy's basement.

Either way I can't wait for this continent sized dumpster fire to erupt in open flame. it's been smoldering now.

I was promised a complete social collapse of the USA when Donnie Stacks won, and God bleeping Damn it I WANT IT NOW.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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posted November 06, 2020 10:44 PM

i'm not a fan of anti-americans.

also, jj, the snow that happened in this country over the past four years, happened because the globalist msm turned leftists into violent thugs. but you deny that, so it's not true, right?
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posted November 06, 2020 11:13 PM

No, it's not true.

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posted November 06, 2020 11:45 PM

JollyJoker said:
No, it's not true.


you're just a troll at this point. communicating anything with you other than possibly music is a useless waste of anyone's time.

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posted November 07, 2020 01:07 AM
Edited by tSar-Ivor at 01:18, 07 Nov 2020.

Just out of curiosity I'm going to make several statements and I want you to determine whether they are left or right wing policies. Not strictly speaking in America just in general, now ofc most policies aren't truly right or left wing, they tend to be either more r or l than what a particular country is used to ( for instance here in England both democrats n republicans would be considered right wing, and even Obama care would  be considered far more right wing than what we are used to).


1. A school institutes a new policy where transgenders must be referred to using the pronoun 'it' instead of he or she in order to increase gender quality.

2.  Abortion is legalised in a region/district/state.

3. In the same region/district/state protesting against abortion is also permitted.

4. The public is given the right to bear arms in public so long as they fall into the permissable category

5. People are given the right to assisted suicide.

6. Companies have to implement strict quotas in their recruitment to ensure that their workforce is proportional to the demographics of where they are based.
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posted November 07, 2020 02:30 AM
Edited by Gnomes2169 at 02:33, 07 Nov 2020.

Well, guess I'll bite.
tSar-Ivor said:
1. A school institutes a new policy where transgenders must be referred to using the pronoun 'it' instead of he or she in order to increase gender quality.

This one is... well, it's changing being transgendered into an "othering" status ("you can't be the gender you want, and you also lose the gender you were born with" kinda thing,) which is more of a right wing thing to do, but it's being done to try and be more inclusive, which is more of a left-wing thing? Which... just makes this one confused, since it does neither of the things it's trying to do.

So I'd classify this one as "dumb."

tSar-Ivor said:
2.  Abortion is legalised in a region/district/state.

While this one has been made more right vs left-wing in recent times, this is more of an authoritarian vs individualist standpoint, and legalizing abortion, thus increasing individual bodily autonomy, is absolutely an individualist stance.

In the context of the USA, given how much authoritarianism is being pushed into each political party the further right it aligns, this would be a left-wing policy. But it could easily become right wing in a more Libertarian state.

tSar-Ivor said:
3. In the same region/district/state protesting against abortion is also permitted.

Again, more individualism vs authoritarian than left vs right, and coming down hard on the individualism side of things. And this is so non-partisan going left vs right wing (being able or unable to protest anything that is legal is just a sign of how authoritarian a state is) that I'm not even going to pay lip service to assigning it a right or left wing category.

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4. The public is given the right to bear arms in public so long as they fall into the permissable category

The only non-extreme political standpoint that really doesn't support the right for a populace to arm themselves in a reasonable manner are liberals... which are moderately right wing and ultra capitalists who see an armed populace as a dangerous threat to their profit margins. (After all, if people keep shooting each other and have the possibility to rise up, then ThE bUsInEsSeS wIlL lOsE mOnEy GuYs!!! SOMEONE THINK OF THOSE POOR WEALTHY AUTOCRATS!) The more extremely authoritarian governmental systems, like Communism and Fascism, take away weaponry from their general populace and reserve it for the military as a matter of policy/ power grabbing once they get enough support (doesn't happen right away, takes time to control a populace enough,) but that's because they're authoritarian dillweeds and it's not a right vs left thing.

So I'd put that one as Individualist, but with Authoritarian undertones restricting how far that individualism can be expressed.

In the USA, that's a left-wing policy. Because even the Democrats are only saying there should be restrictions, not full-on bans. (And only the authoritarian lunatics associated with the party suggest otherwise)

tSar-Ivor said:
5. People are given the right to assisted suicide.

The single most individualist policy that is out there. Choosing when and how you can die is by far and away the biggest expression of freedom that someone can possess, and a state willing to embrace it is likely one where civil rights are plentiful and the population is well and truly free.

The main opponents to such policies tend to be religious figures, who are almost universally right-wing in their leanings, since they are all about upholding traditions and their religious values. At least in Christian, Jewish and other states with similar belief systems, assisted suicide spits on those values, and gives it the biggest middle finger available.

So while this one is also individualist vs authoritarian too, I can comfortably label it as an individualist left-wing policy, as it breaks with tradition and religion (staples of right-wing policies) in favor of increasing the personal freedoms of the individual citizen.

tSar-Ivor said:
6. Companies have to implement strict quotas in their recruitment to ensure that their workforce is proportional to the demographics of where they are based.

Authoritarian for sure, but as for the political leaning... it's Liberal, I'll give it that. Where it's a policy that a somewhat right-wing politician would implement because they are trying to pay lip-service to what they think a left-wing voter base wants and are implementing a meaningless quota to accomplish that goal, but hmmm...

Is that incorrect perception of what people on the left want (i.e; Left-wing people want diverse workplaces that are created naturally due to demographics intermingling due to diversity being wide-spread throughout all spheres of society. Meanwhile, this policy is basically; We force some companies to hire token black and hispanic women without there being any change in the communities they come from, so nothing ultimately changes in any meaningful way,) is that enough to make it a left-wing policy?

I guess it could, but it's flirting dangerously close to centrist or right wing liberalism simply based on how inept it is at accomplishing the left-wing "intermingle ALL THE DEMOGRAPHICS" goal it is implied to have. It's definitely authoritarian, however. That I can definitely state without any hesitation.
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posted November 07, 2020 03:55 AM

fred79 said:
not true. we'll be watching and waiting for when you all go berserk. we anticipate you'll be violent, and we anticipate the mainstream media to paint you all as heroes(again) when you do.

these are grim times; only fools are excited and/or happy right now, no matter what happens.


I promise you, leftists are not happy that Joe Biden is going to be president. Liberals aren't leftists, and leftists aren't liberals. Liberals have more in common with conservatives than they do with leftists.

Not only that, the vast majority of violence and looting that has been done was by cops, not protestors. Personally, I voted for Biden only because Howie Hawkins was kicked off the ballot in my state and at this point, I'm a single-issue voter on climate change. Nothing else matters if the planet isn't habitable. I'm not naive enough to believe Biden cares about this issue, or that he's going to fight it in any meaningful way, but since my options were Biden, who will at least won't actively move in the wrong direction, or Trump or Jorgensen who will deregulate fossil fuels and other polluters even more, the choice was pretty clear.

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posted November 07, 2020 04:20 AM

Rimgrabber said:
the vast majority of violence and looting that has been done was by cops, not protestors.


you're going to have to help me understand where you're coming from with this one. this is a whole new level of crazy.

Rimgrabber said:
I'm a single-issue voter on climate change. Nothing else matters if the planet isn't habitable.


this was my main issue with Trump and especially with Pence. but, i've found that climate change doesn't effect me as much as, say, weaponized bleeding heart liberals, antifascists, ghetto blacks, blm supporters, cops, and the globalists pushing laws that effect the right to defend myself and my family(as well as turning the country i love into a globalist-controlled hellhole). they're more an immediate danger to anyone sane and decent enough to be opposing the globalist agenda.

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posted November 07, 2020 04:30 AM

Good on you, Fred, to admit that you care more about partisan fearmongering than an existential threat to life on the planet that humans might survive, but which will wipe out civilizations as we know them and leave the surviving partisans in a dystopic hellscape.

At least you're being honest.
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posted November 07, 2020 04:36 AM

Gnomes2169 said:
Good on you, Fred, to admit that you care more about partisan fearmongering than an existential threat to life on the planet that humans might survive, but which will wipe out civilizations as we know them and leave the surviving partisans in a dystopic hellscape.

At least you're being honest.


what's the point of me caring about the climate of the future if my family and i are killed before we get to see it, genius? i recycle, i don't waste water; i do what i can personally to help with the climate issue(besides ride a bike everywhere, because drivers are idiots), but i don't have any real impact outside of that.

don't any of you for a second act like you want Trump gone because of the snowing environment.

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posted November 07, 2020 04:58 AM
Edited by tSar-Ivor at 05:10, 07 Nov 2020.

Quote:
I promise you, leftists are not happy that Joe Biden is going to be president. Liberals aren't leftists, and leftists aren't liberals. Liberals have more in common with conservatives than they do with leftists.


Thank you this is perfectly true, and you just reminded me very suddenly  - I who studied bloody ideologies for 3 years get muddled up recalling these simple bloody terms. A few years of working life and I forget even some of the basic definitions .

But again you are right, Conservatives tend to be very liberal when it comes to the economy, and in America social policies too.

Meanwhile here in the UK it's similar but on a far less grander scale when it comes to social policies we tend to be left in those. Downside here in the UK is that privatisations has just gone tits up, for instance there's barely any competition in the Railway business leading to ****y but expensive service. However, even our NHS is so mismanaged that we might just privatise it (i mean there's so much difference between private and NHS, seriously 6 month waiting times for non-emergency operations, with private you could have it within a week).

Which is just insulting given that I'm forking out 130 quid a month for it (well and unemployment benefits that I probably wont ever get to use). I have to pay for meh own dentist, cheers NHS, a real gem.

Then the cheeky buggers have the nerve to tell me to save the NHS?! I have to go private to get anything done.
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posted November 07, 2020 05:02 AM
Edited by Rimgrabber at 05:18, 07 Nov 2020.

fred79 said:

you're going to have to help me understand where you're coming from with this one. this is a whole new level of crazy.


A mixture of actual studies done on the subject and my personal experience as an activist with close friends who are leaders in my city. There was not one, but two separate occasions where my friends were peacefully marching and chanting "this is not a riot!" and "hands up don't shoot!" and the police responded by tear-gassing them (literally a war crime) and firing on them with rubber bullets. In some instances, police armed with riot gear pushed their way into the peacefully protesting crowd and violently divided them up, and cornered them. One of the marches I went to personally had the cops kidnap one of the organizers at gunpoint and arrest him on false charges of obstructing traffic. The police department and the mayor (a democrat, with an all-democrat city council) went on Twitter and spread lies and misinformation to make it look like the police were acting in self-defense. All the things you seem to be afraid are going to happen if BLM gets their way are happening now in the real world. The whole reason BLM as a movement exists is to push for real change of these exact policies.

https://time.com/5886348/report-peaceful-protests/

^This is an article on one of the studies done that found 93% of all of the protests were peaceful. Keep in mind that their definition of a violent protest includes instances of the police attacking first and the protesters defending themselves. Even then, the overwhelming majority of the protests were peaceful.

fred79 said:


this was my main issue with Trump and especially with Pence. but, i've found that climate change doesn't effect me as much as, say, weaponized bleeding heart liberals, antifascists, ghetto blacks, blm supporters, cops, and the globalists pushing laws that effect the right to defend myself and my family(as well as turning the country i love into a globalist-controlled hellhole). they're more an immediate danger to anyone sane and decent enough to be opposing the globalist agenda.


Australia, the Amazon, and the entire west coast are burning down and there were so many hurricanes this year that they literally ran out of names. 2020 is on track to be the hottest year on record. 7 or 8 of the 10 hottest years on record have been in the past decade. It might not be affecting you yet, but when droughts are causing global food shortages, countries start going to war over drinkable water, natural disasters run even more rampant, and billions of people in the third world and coastal cities become refugees fleeing to the few places left undamaged directly, it's going to affect you more than you can ever imagine.

Bleeding heart liberals are obnoxious but that's where their "danger" ends. Antifascists are literally just people against fascism, they have nothing else in common. Unless you are a fascist, antifascism is not the problem you have with whoever it is you're thinking of. Same thing with BLM supporters. Unless you're a racist, supporting BLM is not the problem you have with whatever group of people you're thinking of. By 'ghetto blacks' I can only assume you're talking about racist stereotypes of African Americans being violent criminals, which to the extent it's true is caused by systemic poverty and the war on drugs, two things that Trump (and Biden for that matter) are making worse. Nobody is going to ban guns. Democrats don't have the political will to do it and leftists would be just as angry about this as people on the right. Only partisan liberals would be happy about that, and that's only like 20% of the country.

I'm not sure what you're referring to when you talk about a "globalist agenda," or what laws you're so worried about them passing. Please explain it to me.


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Thank you this is perfectly true, and you just reminded me very suddenly  - I who studied bloody ideologies for 3 years get muddled up recalling these simple bloody terms. A few years of working life and I forget even some of the basic definitions  .

But again you are right, Conservatives tend to be very liberal when it comes to the economy, and in America social policies too.


I can't blame you for forgetting. It's extremely confusing because people here in the United States (I assume Britain and Canada too. Don't know about other countries.) people use "liberal" and "left" interchangeably when in reality they're pretty much completely unrelated terms. For those who don't know the difference:

Leftists are social democrats (people who support the nordic model), socialists, syndicalists, marxists, communists, anarchists, etc. It's an incredibly diverse school of thought with as much disagreement between them as there is agreement.

Liberals are basically centrists in the context of western democracy; people like Joe Biden, Justin Trudeau, Tony Blaire etc. They generally support progressive social policies like gender and race equality (in theory, at least) but also support market capitalism with some degree of regulation. Liberalism is a much more specific term than leftist, in this context.

However, and this is where it gets really confusing, "liberal" is ALSO a relative term in certain contexts, in the same way that conservative and libertarian can be. In this way, "liberal" simply means that you support personal freedom and individual rights to one extent or another. It's possible in this way to be a liberal socialist or liberal conservative or whatever without being a "liberal" in the traditional sense. Hope this helps clear things up for some people.

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posted November 07, 2020 05:17 AM
Edited by tSar-Ivor at 05:24, 07 Nov 2020.

The Green Party here are instant losers, but a favourite for those wishing to discard ballots in a healthy way. For them to truly succeed they need to take a hard right approach in their campaigns.

Save our country from the pollution!

A real American must be bred on a pure unpolluted soil! I mean these are mild, but I mean this type of Green nationalistic rhetoric cranked to 10x.

I mean everyone except my professor thought I was a nutter, but he just goes that yeah, in order to implement the necessary changes that will have a catastrophic impact on the society and the economy as it undergoes the teething period can only realistically be done by an authoratarian government with a clear undaunted focus. Plus it's just too expensive, we need at least a decade and they want to slowly switch. So those in power are currently doing is their same approach to Covid lol, stalling for a solution.


Seriously I thought Trump had potential in the Climate change department, I thought all his rhetoric about nuking hurricane's would be a sick positive twist to declare 'war' on it and the hurricane's Chinese overlords. To get back at them we must go green so we stop fuelling their weather control machines, then their hurricanes will deflect back onto them it's how we defeat them Chineses.

Or some idiotic crap like that, but I dreamed. Instead he just went full Caligula on us.
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posted November 07, 2020 05:27 AM
Edited by Rimgrabber at 05:28, 07 Nov 2020.

I'm deeply involved in the Green Party and let me just say; it's not a wasted vote in the way people seem to think it is. We're required in most states to get a certain amount of votes in the presidential election in order to get automatic ballot access in any other races, and if we manage to get to 5% of the national popular vote we'll get like $20 million in FEC funding which would be a HUGE deal for us.


The system in this country is HEAVILY rigged against third parties because the democrats and republicans got to make all the rules. Us Greens, as well as third parties in general, have different and more difficult ballot access criteria than democrats and republicans do. For instance, I ran for school board last year. My opponents had to get 10 signatures to appear on the ballot, I had to get 50. Not the best example perhaps because it still wasn't very difficult, but hopefully it will give you some of the picture.

We're required in most states to get a certain amount of votes in the presidential election

In my state, we aren't even allowed to start collecting our signatures until a month after the major parties are finished with theirs, so we have another built-in disadvantage there as we don't have as much time to campaign. Both major parties constantly hit of with lawsuits to get us kicked off the ballot (as happened to Howie and Angela in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and other states this year), there's an almost total media blackout of us unless they're baselessly accusing us as being russian agents or some nonsense, we're rarely allowed in debates or included in polls, and we're taught even as early as middle school that we have a two-party system which simply isn't true. The average American is extremely disillusioned with politics and as a result, barely pays attention, so most of them don't even know we exist. Despite this, third parties do win elections every now and then in local and state-level elections. Jesse Ventura even won a governorship in the Reform Party, and there's 2 Independents in the Senate.

I'm not saying we're blameless, there's a TON of Green Party infighting and because of how de-centralized it is we're incredibly disorganized. But to say it's all our fault and that there's not a system in place to deliberately keep us out is just simply uninformed.

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posted November 07, 2020 07:44 AM
Edited by fred79 at 07:53, 07 Nov 2020.

Rimgrabber said:
There was not one, but two separate occasions where my friends were peacefully marching and chanting "this is not a riot!" and "hands up don't shoot!" and the police responded by tear-gassing them (literally a war crime) and firing on them with rubber bullets.


i've watched "peaceful protestors" destroy anything they felt like destroying, attack anyone or anything they felt like attacking, and all in the name of violent black criminals who the cops have to deal with all the time. i'm not saying i'm backing cops here, because their job is literally the suppression of the common man via an overreaching and corrupt system(that gets more overreaching and corrupt as time goes on); but you should consider the demographic they are constantly dealing with, and who kill more police officers than anyone else. which are by and large, ghetto blacks. that you and your friends feel the need to defend violent criminal scum from totalitarian scum, is you and your friend's fault. that's just dumb. violent criminals and cops deserve one another. i have ZERO problem with an actual war between the two. if we could get rid of all violent criminals while at the same time getting rid of totalitarian cops who work AGAINST the common man and FOR the people who control them all while protecting the very vermin who subjugate the masses, the world would be a better place. that means that normal people could go about their lives without worry they'll be raped or murdered, and not have to worry about armed government thugs pushing them around, murdering them, and enforcing laws that are unconstitutional.

Rimgrabber said:
In some instances, police armed with riot gear pushed their way into the peacefully protesting crowd and violently divided them up, and cornered them. One of the marches I went to personally had the cops kidnap one of the organizers at gunpoint and arrest him on false charges of obstructing traffic. The police department and the mayor (a democrat, with an all-democrat city council) went on Twitter and spread lies and misinformation to make it look like the police were acting in self-defense.


i don't doubt that for a second, i've seen cops do heinous things, i've experienced hell because of them, and they are protected by a corrupt and vile system full of scum. i'm not one who sides with the police. i'm not one who sides with ANY government agency or their lapdogs/thugs. they are un-american vermin. but i don't side with violent criminals who prey on people, either.

Rimgrabber said:
The whole reason BLM as a movement exists is to push for real change of these exact policies.

https://time.com/5886348/report-peaceful-protests/

^This is an article on one of the studies done that found 93% of all of the protests were peaceful. Keep in mind that their definition of a violent protest includes instances of the police attacking first and the protesters defending themselves. Even then, the overwhelming majority of the protests were peaceful.


don't even get me started on blm. blm only "care" about blacks when they're getting killed by white cops, or just whites in general(which is a minuscule number, btw). they could give a snow less about all the blacks killing each other in the streets by the droves all the time. blacks killed by cops PALE in comparison to blacks killing their own. and do you know what the 2nd highest racial demographic of violence and murder is in the U.S.? blacks on whites. i have ZERO compassion for blacks, and especially blm, whatsoever.

Rimgrabber said:
It might not be affecting you yet, but when droughts are causing global food shortages, countries start going to war over drinkable water, natural disasters run even more rampant, and billions of people in the third world and coastal cities become refugees fleeing to the few places left undamaged directly, it's going to affect you more than you can ever imagine.


first, you need to understand that the issue is overpopulation, which leads to food shortages and destroyed environments(air, land, AND sea).

second, you need to know that billions of people in 3rd-world countries are a huge chunk of the problem.

Rimgrabber said:
Bleeding heart liberals are obnoxious but that's where their "danger" ends. Antifascists are literally just people against fascism, they have nothing else in common. Unless you are a fascist, antifascism is not the problem you have with whoever it is you're thinking of. Same thing with BLM supporters. Unless you're a racist, supporting BLM is not the problem you have with whatever group of people you're thinking of. By 'ghetto blacks' I can only assume you're talking about racist stereotypes of African Americans being violent criminals, which to the extent it's true is caused by systemic poverty and the war on drugs, two things that Trump (and Biden for that matter) are making worse. Nobody is going to ban guns. Democrats don't have the political will to do it and leftists would be just as angry about this as people on the right. Only partisan liberals would be happy about that, and that's only like 20% of the country.


all of this is blatantly and horribly incorrect. because of what you posted before, i understand why you don't know this.

i'll pick one thing out here, to respond to and educate you on:

one of the biggest reasons i'm against democrats, is because they are anti-gun. it is plainly evident, if you've ever paid ANY attention to leftist politics in general, you would know they are ALL ABOUT removing gun rights. that's one of their CONSTANT platforms. they are ALWAYS working towards more restrictive gun laws. take a look at all the laws they are ALWAYS attempting to push, on nearly ANY state/government website. start locally, then expand from there. their drive for gun restriction(removal) is STAGGERING.

Rimgrabber said:
I'm not sure what you're referring to when you talk about a "globalist agenda," or what laws you're so worried about them passing. Please explain it to me.


there's no point running until you can walk; i say this without malice. you seem like a decent enough person, but you don't understand a lot of surface-level things. until you educate yourself on everything blatant that you apparently stand by wholeheartedly, you're not going to be reached with further education in that regard. it would be a waste of my time. much as i've already wasted too much of my time with most debaters here.

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posted November 07, 2020 06:47 PM
Edited by Rimgrabber at 18:52, 07 Nov 2020.

With all due respect, you're clearly speaking about leftist politics as an outside observer, and I do not appreciate you talking down to me like I'm an ignorant child when you're the one who is clearly misinformed. I'm an actual leftist, activist, and organizer. I spend a huge chunk of my time talking to leftists, pushing leftist policy, and organizing for leftist causes. The things that you're arguing are objectively untrue. You're confusing leftist politics with establishment democrat politics, which are worlds apart. Like I said before, democrats have infinitely more in common with republicans, conservatives, nationalists, and even fascists than they do with leftists of any kind. There are some recent exceptions, like Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who are social democrats, but even that is an extremely moderate form of leftism that's already implemented to one extent or another in most developed countries.

I could talk about the socio-economic factors leading to high rates of crime in African-American communities, I could explain how the war on drugs was a propaganda campaign created by the Nixon administration to control and suppress the African-American to punish them for voting against Nixon, but I doubt you'd be interested in hearing about it. I could explain how overpopulation is a classist myth designed to shift the blame for environmental destruction away from the 1% and corporations and onto powerless people in the 3rd world, but I don't think you'd be interested in that either.

So instead, I will leave you with this quote from Marx, in hopes that you will understand that "leftism" is not inherently anti-gun, and that in fact, most leftist ideologies are pro-gun.

“Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.”

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Zenofex
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posted November 07, 2020 07:43 PM

I doubt that more than a few thousand people in the US have ever read Marx (more than a few sentences in Internet anyway) and they are probably exclusively from the academic circles. The guy never crossed the Big Water for anything more than a propaganda tool and to say that the US view of "Marxism", "communism" and "left" in general is twisted would be a gross understatement. Curiously enough though, he's a far greater boogeyman for right-wingers than Stalin, Mao or the Kims and there's some subtle historical irony in that.

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posted November 07, 2020 07:46 PM

Kipshasz said:
Either way I can't wait for this continent sized dumpster fire to erupt in open flame. it's been smoldering now.

I was promised a complete social collapse of the USA when Donnie Stacks won, and God bleeping Damn it I WANT IT NOW.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE



Kinda please, although we do need strong allies to BTFO Italy and anyone that tries to deny Sicilian indipendence, otherwise the US can  really just step out, maybe bringing China with them as well, that'd be a dream.

Finally we can start all over, deciding new policies, unbound by terms like capitalism or liberalism.
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