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Gandalf196
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posted January 12, 2022 08:30 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
I'm not sure the article says what you think it says.
I mean, OF COURSE sex is binary - there are two and they don't mix and dilute like "race" (whatever that is).
But there are cases when a human is both. And there are cases when the primary sex organs are not in accordance with other facettes of that sex - say, hormonal production, looks, proportions, brain functions and so on.
What he actually says is, that if it's okay to call yourself a woman, because you feel like one, although you have a penis, you should be all the more so allowed to call you black or white because you feel like it (and maybe strongly about a lone forbear of that race).
Which seems utterly reasonable.
now, from the article:
"If I chose to identify as a hippopotamus, you would rightly say I was being ridiculous. The claim is too facetiously at variance with reality. It’s marginally more ridiculous than the Church’s Aristotelian casuistry in identifying the “substance” of blood with wine and body with bread, while the “accidentals” safely remain an alcoholic beverage and a wafer. Not at all ridiculous, however, was James Morris’s choice to identify as a woman and his gruelling and costly transition to Jan Morris. Her explanation, in Conundrum, of how she always felt like a woman trapped in a man’s body is eloquent and moving. It rings agonizingly true and earns our deep sympathy. We rightly address her with feminine pronouns, and treat her as a woman in social interactions. We should do the same with others in her situation, honest and decent people who have wrestled all their lives with the distressing condition known as gender dysphoria."
You may see Richard Dawkins as being sympathetic to people who wish to perform cirurgical interventions so that they can be recognized as people from the other sex, but in no way does he buy into the bogus idea of "gender", that is internalized sex. In fact, he's pretty adamant: there are, for the major part, XX and XY individuals (the genomic abnormalities represent an infinitesimal part of the genetic pool, as he explicits). Men and Women. A tiny minority of men and women may feel that they do not belong in their bodies, but that does not make them transmen or transwomen. There is no such thing. Those people suffer from gender dysphoria, period.
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JollyJoker
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posted January 12, 2022 09:28 PM |
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He's not saying what you read into this, because he isn't evaluating things in any way. The one thing he does say, the reason for this article, is the strong negative reaction a seemingly white woman got from calling herself black, and he says, if it's ok to self-identify as a man, although you are biologically (genetically) a woman, it should be a lot more ok to self-identify racially the way you feel.
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I doubt that Jan Morris would have had much time for a man who simply flings on a frock and announces, “I am now a woman.” For Dr Morris, it was a ten-year odyssey. Prolonged hormone treatment, drastic surgery, readjustment of social conventions and personal relationships—those who take this plunge earn our deep respect for that very reason. And why is it so onerous and drastic, courageously worthy of such respect? Precisely because sex is so damn binary! Changing sex is a big deal. Changing the race by which you identify is a doddle in comparison, precisely because race is already a continuous spectrum, rendered so by widespread intermarriage over many generations.
Changing your “race” should be even easier if you adopt the fashionable doctrine that race is a “social construct” with no biological reality. It’s less easy with sex, to say the least. Even the most right-on sociologist might struggle to argue that a penis is a social construct. Gender theorists bypass the annoying problem of reality by decreeing that you are what you feel, regardless of biology. If you feel you are a woman, you are a woman even if you have a penis. It would seem to follow that, if feelings really are all that matter, Rachel Dolezal’s claim to feel black, regardless of biology, should merit at least a tiny modicum of sympathetic discussion, if not outright acceptance.
THAT is, what actually motivates him, to see sexual and racial identification in a relative comparison.
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posted January 12, 2022 11:05 PM |
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Gandalf196
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posted January 13, 2022 01:52 AM |
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Sometimes I wonder whether JJ, Artu, Minion, Corribus et caterva truly believe in the crap they write or they do it for the sake of arguing itself. Nonetheless, I believe we should expose evil ideas (as gender ideology) to the light of discussion so that people can feel that they are not alone when they see themselves surrounded by chaos. That is to say, I'm not going to rebuke every single one of your points, because you twist things to fit your agenda and gaslight the ones who point that out.
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posted January 13, 2022 09:00 AM |
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artu
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posted January 13, 2022 04:54 PM |
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Gandalf196 said:
Sometimes I wonder whether JJ, Artu, Minion, Corribus et caterva truly believe in the crap they write or they do it for the sake of arguing itself. Nonetheless, I believe we should expose evil ideas (as gender ideology) to the light of discussion so that people can feel that they are not alone when they see themselves surrounded by chaos. That is to say, I'm not going to rebuke every single one of your points, because you twist things to fit your agenda and gaslight the ones who point that out.
Oh, please dont give me that "exposing evil ideas" crap. Putting aside all the scientific data about how sex and gender isnt always in sync (bio-chemically), wtf is evil about calling people what they want to be called and how is some tiny minority who has been mostly bullied all their lives and just want to feel accepted going to bring chaos in this world.
- Jack had a surgery, we called her Jenny as she asked and next day mothers started to boil their babies, the economy collapsed because nobody showed up to work, people are just shooting each other on the street!
The truth is, it is you who is being indirect. You dont want to expose "evil" ideas or anything like that. You're just obsessed with this witch hunting because you are a petty character. 50 years ago, you'de be doing the same to gays, 70 years ago, you'd be calling the FBI to report socialists and if we go back in time a little more, you'd literally be hunting witches and burning left-handed women..
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fred79
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posted January 13, 2022 07:06 PM |
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more strawmen from the little wooden boy. didn't see THAT coming... 
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posted January 14, 2022 09:17 AM |
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We can't know about fred, for example. My old friend (today he's in Sweden, and living with his woman) his father changed gay. A large house and family, but gay. A father didn't want to tell his son (friend), I said many Deaf people know it, if they tell to your son, (thus Deaf culture), no nice that he's the last getting know. So father told him, etc and etc His father was a heterosexual over 40 years, and a few of years in the closet, now's real gay in a gay club, etc when told his son.
So someone can be transgender. If fred or Gandalf change transgender.
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fred79
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posted January 14, 2022 11:25 AM |
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posted January 14, 2022 02:02 PM |
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Lol
EDIT: I don't read every post.
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Gandalf196
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posted January 28, 2022 12:09 AM |
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posted January 28, 2022 02:56 PM |
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I think the poor quality genitals. The world's new word is a transsnower who snows transpeople. I'm pro at English.
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