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posted May 18, 2021 02:07 AM |
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posted May 18, 2021 02:36 AM |
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posted May 18, 2021 02:49 AM |
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I don't know what reason Congress has for dragging its feet on getting more data and answers on the possible airspace violations (you would think the GOP would be all over the "defend our airspace" stuff) but I guess the social stigma is a good enough explanation.
Here's the video btw:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBtMbBPzqHY&t=816s
Basically, if it was clearly identified fighter jet it would be a big deal and Congress would be all over it, but since instead it is "Uhhhh?" they haven't done anything despite their obligations to investigate national security issues like this, although the hearing in June could give more information.
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posted May 18, 2021 11:14 AM |
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posted May 18, 2021 03:24 PM |
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Imagine they land and they have only two genders
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posted May 18, 2021 03:33 PM |
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Salamandre said:
Imagine they land and they have only two genders
Well, when the officials say UFO they literally mean “unidentified flying object.” It’s the conspiritors reading that as “alien spaceship.” It is zillion x zillion times more probable that it is a drone, some Russian or China military tech etc etc.
The vast amount of distances in even the closest galaxy are so astronomical. It would only be possible to travel with enormous ships that have their own eco-system, food and energy production, even if they had the technology to travel at the speed of light, in which case, you cease to be matter anymore, anyway. Such ships would be detected by even amateurs with telescopes, they wouldnt be these drone sized, tiny things that suddenly disappear.
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posted May 18, 2021 03:43 PM |
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I have an idea it may be ... us. In the future, traveling back to fix things.
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posted May 18, 2021 03:45 PM |
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posted May 18, 2021 05:04 PM |
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@Artu
An extraterrestrial craft checking out Earth would probably be run by a computer program and not piloted by people. If a civilization developed millions or tens of millions or hundreds of millions of years earlier, that would give more than enough time for crafts to visit a large number of nearby stars. You could send them out in a spherical radius to thousands of different destinations.
But yeah, it being aliens is extremely unlikely. I think it was something made domestically and the right hand isn't talking to the left hand, but there should be a formal inquiry about it if it was wandering around US airspace and people don't know what it is. It's their job to do that.
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posted May 18, 2021 07:07 PM |
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But then again, to send the signals or to remotely control, it would still take millions of years even in light speed. So I think scouting only makes sense if you have ships that contain passengers that live in the ship generation after generation and finally arriving at the destination. We may design such a thing when sun’s, (and hence the earth’s) time is about to be up, if we dont go extinct by then.
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posted May 18, 2021 07:17 PM |
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You assume civilizations millions of year old use are at same level of understanding physic laws as us, now. Think where was travel on earth 200 years ago, not to mention 1000.
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posted May 18, 2021 07:23 PM |
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Aren't we all agreeing that "aliens" and "space ships" make sense only when there is the theoretical possibility of an ftl drive technology? (And by proxy an ftl communication tech?)
If that wasn't the case - why bother? I mean, say you had an alien race in 100 light years distance, which isn't much, and you'd establish lightspeed radio contact. What good would that do? A message sent, and when the answer came 200 years were over. That's not really worth bothering.
Even if that civ was able to build some kind of generation ship and send it to us in whatever intention -it would take a couple hundred or even thousands of years to get to us, and by the time it was, things might have changed radically at the destination.
Distances are simply too vast without some ftl tech.
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posted May 18, 2021 07:27 PM |
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posted May 18, 2021 07:27 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 19:28, 18 May 2021.
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JollyJoker said:
Aren't we all agreeing that "aliens" and "space ships" make sense only when there is the theoretical possibility of an ftl drive technology? (And by proxy an ftl communication tech?)
If that wasn't the case - why bother? I mean, say you had an alien race in 100 light years distance, which isn't much, and you'd establish lightspeed radio contact. What good would that do? A message sent, and when the answer came 200 years were over. That's not really worth bothering.
Even if that civ was able to build some kind of generation ship and send it to us in whatever intention -it would take a couple hundred or even thousands of years to get to us, and by the time it was, things might have changed radically at the destination.
Distances are simply too vast without some ftl tech.
i think we can bridge that gap with the left's leaps of non-logic. 
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posted May 18, 2021 07:30 PM |
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Edited by artu at 19:39, 18 May 2021.
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@JJ
Well, faster than light seems imposssible on a theoratical level as of now. (If I remember correctly they have discovered some photon movement very very slightly faster than light but I mean ships, not photons). Isaac Asimov had a great essay about it, why it is not a matter of advanced technology but the fundamentals of physics. At the speed of light, you cant be matter anymore anyway.
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posted May 18, 2021 07:37 PM |
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Element! They must have a different element. We got the elements from space.
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posted May 18, 2021 07:42 PM |
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Ghost said:
Element! They must have a different element. We got the elements from space.
ghost knows. ghost would know.
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posted May 18, 2021 07:44 PM |
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Edited by Ghost at 19:54, 18 May 2021.
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The world needs elements. We take Mars, but they don't need our elements. Why?
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posted May 18, 2021 07:56 PM |
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artu said:
But then again, to send the signals or to remotely control, it would still take millions of years even in light speed. So I think scouting only makes sense if you have ships that contain passengers that live in the ship generation after generation and finally arriving at the destination. We may design such a thing when sun’s, (and hence the earth’s) time is about to be up, if we dont go extinct by then.
Yeah it couldn't be controlled remotely. The computer would have to be sophisticated enough to take data and do whatever else it does independently, like avoid other aircraft or objects. I don't necessarily mean true AI, but still a much, much more thorough programming than what we use right now on robots. FTL is theoretically physically impossible but better AI is not.
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If there are millions of years to work with, then interstellar travel is completely doable. Maybe not something an individual would ever want to bother with because it takes seemingly forever, but sending out crafts is different. As far as why they would do it; they would probably want to do it the same reason we do. If the species wasn't inquisitive and passionate about stuff then it would never have become an advanced civilization in the first place. We've already sent out a bunch of signals that will never be reached by anybody for a very, very long time.
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posted May 18, 2021 07:56 PM |
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artu said:
@JJ
Well, faster than light seems imposssible on a theoratical level as of now. (If I remember correctly they have discovered some photon movement very very slightly faster than light but I mean ships, not photons). Isaac Asimov had a great essay about it, why it is not a matter of advanced technology but the fundamentals of physics. At the speed of light, you cant be matter anymore anyway.
When I say "ftl" I don't mean a drive that actually flies faster than light through our known space-time continuum. It just has to be able to start at one point and arrive at another, far away point within an acceptable time frame. This might be done by travel through another dimension, for example.
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