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Baronus
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posted January 31, 2022 04:40 PM |
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No in Poland death age is 75-78. In these ages preparation is 80%. Not preparated are under 50. They dont die.
We sometimes had have more deaths than years ago without any preparat! In fact the died beacuse they dont have doctor. As I told its fallen health uncare not covid. Its no sense compare not compatibile countries.
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JollyJoker
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posted January 31, 2022 04:59 PM |
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So you tell us in Poland the health system has broken down? How come, pray tell?
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posted January 31, 2022 05:42 PM |
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. The ruling regime in Israel actively suppressed medicine entering, and medical information from coming out of, the Western Strip and Gaza (which includes covid tests), and Palestinian medical institutions have regularly been in a state of disrepair. As in, they had one Covid testing site for all of western Palestine for a while... and it kinda got blown up in a "counter-strike against a Hammas attack." (To quote the reason given by Netanyahu's press corp for the missile salvo that destroyed the testing center... just like the multiple strikes that destroyed hospitals, apartments and schools during his various reigns as prime minister.)
what kind of nonsense is this???? you must be drunk.
Israel paid for every piece of vaccine and air support system in palastine.
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Soooo, yeah, Palestine has a lot of reasons for not having accurate Covid numbers that aren't "it doesn't exist in their country." They're an occupied state that's suffering massively from unrest and near-constant conflict, and they aren't somehow immune to the global pandemic. Palestine still has covid, they probably have one of the highest death rates in the world due to their lack of resources and medical infrastructure, and they couldn't report it. Their reported numbers are not accurate.
99 % of Palestinian media is sponsored by Iran , which has an agenda of destroying whatever image Israel has, so cannot be believed.
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he's not vaccinated. if he was, he wouldn't catch what the vaccine was FOR. and don't give me that bs about vaccines not being 100% effective; that's msm bs. literally NO ONE who got those shots are immune to jack diddley snow. you know what that means? that means it's NOT a vaccine.
Not even a condom is 100% efficient.
There is no such thing as 100% efficiency in ANY kind of vaccination.
also, note that we have 0.007% of PIMPS disorder in children's after vaccination, and i still not against it.
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hey, look at that. more info jettisoned to the vw because they don't like it.
or because gandalf here posts pictures and trying to be funny, whilst you cannot accept the fact that you might be a tad, overthinking this. i say you have too much free time to even go those lengths of thought... i bet you believe flat earth and aliens and stuff..
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What do all you geniuses think where the previous virus strains are now? The wave that started in the autumn was a DELTA wave. Then came omicron and delta is a thing of the past. If the vacc wouldn't work, delta would still run rampant and a lot more people would have died. Instead, delta was largely a wave of the unvaccinated.
thats why they find a new strain every few months, we cannot forget the fact that pharma industries make alot of money of it..
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No in Poland death age is 75-78. In these ages preparation is 80%. Not preparated are under 50. They dont die.
clearly, you cannot die from any other illness, like cancer, or even flu (which is false, because you CAN actually die from complications of flu).
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fred79
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posted January 31, 2022 06:37 PM |
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Edited by Corribus at 18:45, 21 Feb 2022.
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hey look, strawmen from israel. is it christmas #2?
ffs, there isn't any reasoning with you people. i literally just posted, "don't tell me that msm bs about vaccines not being 100% effective", and anti does just that. i will repeat: if NO ONE is immune because of the shots- if the shots DO NOT MAKE -ANYONE- immune, then they AREN'T vaccines. period.
you cannot make the erroneous claim, "vaccines are not 100% effective", if 100% of the people who got the shots, AREN'T IMMUNE after getting the shots.
you people are really, horribly, intolerably dense.
MOD EDIT: This -QP was issued because fred broke the CoC via HC's HCM function (insulting HCMs to other members).
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Baronus
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posted January 31, 2022 06:46 PM |
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EU anexion. And mass medical migration. As you see in estern Europe you have worst doctor statistics. Poland at the end. 2012 year. Its not a covid...
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JollyJoker
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posted January 31, 2022 06:56 PM |
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No, that's NOT it. Ireland and the UK aren't much better in that statistics than Poland - and look at THEIR covid curves ub the link I gave. Lithunia, Bulgaria and the Czech Republic are way up in that list, but they still have the 3rd wave (Delta)-high of corona deaths.
That is NOT an explanation.
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artu
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posted January 31, 2022 07:12 PM |
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Edited by artu at 19:13, 31 Jan 2022.
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It's amazing how people, despite being told over and over, seem to not get the very simple fact that vaccines are not and were never ever supposed to prevent you from catching a disease. They are not invisible shields on a spaceship, you know. Vaccines just make you fight the disease better, they are simply a weakened version of the disease, so your immune system learns to fight it efficiently. Just like having a drill in the military. They teach this at elementary school one, ffs.People knew this way before covid-19 ever existed.
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fred79
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posted January 31, 2022 07:30 PM |
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CRAYONS! I'VE GOT CRAYONS HERE! ALL COLORS, ONE FLAVOR! GET YOUR CRAYONS!
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JollyJoker
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posted January 31, 2022 09:36 PM |
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Boostered people are well protected against delta. Vaccinated younger people are well protected as well. Which leavey only a certain clientele for delta, but delta is pretty vicious, so non-vaccinated and old people are endangered.
Omicron, though, infects more or less everyone. So you have a decreasing delta activity and a sky-rocketing omicron infection activity. Omicron differs in effect - a pair got it, both vaccinated, and she had a fever for one day and he for 10.
Bottom line is, the lower the vaccination rate, the more delta is in effect and kills people. Omicron is generally less dangerous, especially for vaccinated, but lots are infected therefore lots have symptoms and problems and go to a doctor or even into a hospital.
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antipaladin
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posted January 31, 2022 09:42 PM |
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fred79 said:
hey look, strawmen from israel. is it christmas #2?
ffs, there isn't any reasoning with you people. i literally just posted, "don't tell me that msm bs about vaccines not being 100% effective", and anti does just that. i will repeat: if NO ONE is immune because of the shots- if the shots DO NOT MAKE -ANYONE- immune, then they AREN'T vaccines. period.
you cannot make the erroneous claim, "vaccines are not 100% effective", if 100% of the people who got the shots, AREN'T IMMUNE after getting the shots.
you people are really, horribly, intolerably dense.
i would state that myself, had never got Covid, nor does anyone of my close family.
if the vaccines saved 1% , isent it affective?
i mean, did you get tetanus vaccine? do you do it everytime you have something metalic penetriting your body or something? why? did you do T.B. Vaccinations?
do you have any kids? did vaccine them? did anyone promise its a 100% cure, or does this rent works only on covid vaccinations?
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fred79
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posted January 31, 2022 10:06 PM |
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you cannot compare these shots to actual vaccines. the actual vaccines were tested for years before they were released, weren't still in the TRIAL PHASE when they were released for human use, weren't FORCED upon people by the obviously corrupt; this list goes on.
thinking you could actually compare these shots and how they were politicized and propagandized, to actual vaccines that actually PREVENTED snow, is insane. there is NO comparison between these shots, and actual vaccines. PERIOD. no amount of manufactured fantasy regurgitated from bs msm narratives, from ANY of your kind, is going to CHANGE that.
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Galaad
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posted January 31, 2022 10:19 PM |
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Yeah fred, please do remind us how it worked out when penicillin was discovered. Of course there is a risk, a very small risk, and no vaccine has ever been monitored as closely than the covid one. For once, you have an opportunity to help your country and people around you. I thought you were a warrior sorta, looks like you're just scared of getting jabbed. Call it how you want, covid MRNA vaccine is a care. Being so convinced it's a poison is what insane is. Oh and well, we are not scientists, unless you study the thing for like 10 years you cannot ever be 100% sure. We trust scientific consensus, you trust randoms on the internet or the few marginal doctors that have been debunked countless times already. They get money for spreading all this misinformation you know...
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fred79
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posted January 31, 2022 11:54 PM |
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why are you still a moderator? why haven't you honorably stepped down yet?
those are rhetorical questions. i already know why. so do others.
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posted February 01, 2022 02:09 AM |
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OhforfSake said:
gnomes2169 said:
With full vaccination and natural immunity together, Omicron doesn't seem to be a threat at all.
Too bad then that one first has to go through the disease before going through the disease is of no threat. 
Also doesn't Corona have a much higher spread than the flu? Even if the lethality was the same, a corona season could put out massive amount of business due to many people being ill and having to stay at home. Not to mention the burden on hospitals due to risk of lacking medical personal.
Ironic, isn't it? It's why being fully vaccinated is recommended, because the vaccine is almost assured to reduce the severity, especially with the original and Delta variants. So if you catch the old covid or delta variants and get that sweet, sweet natural immunity on top of the vaccinated immunity, you have about the same chance of going to the hospital over it as the common cold.
Original covid had a transmission rate of about 3... which is way higher than the flu's, though the flu can fluctuate between 1.2 for a more mild variant and 1.5-ish for the most virulent ones. To put that into perspective, if we go 8 generations of the virus down (so one person passes it to the average amount of people, that amount of people passes it on, etc, etc) then we're looking at 25.6 people infected for the most virulent form of influenza, and 19,683 people with covid. And original covid has a severity (read: hospitalization) rate of ~8-10%, and mortality rate of ~1%, whereas the most dangerous variants of influenza's numbers are closer to 1% and .1% respectively, and tend to be closer to .6% hospitalization and .05% mortality.
So yeah, og covid is way worse than the flu in every way. Omicron traded some of that severity (making it more similar to the worst influenzas in unvaccinated and previously unexposed individuals, but still a bit more severe) to massively increase the transmission rate. Which, if populations weren't vaccinated or didn't have exposure immunity by this point, would be friggen devastating. ~3.5 million new cases are popping up in the US every day, if we apply that worst variant of influenza's statistics to that number, we're looking at 35,000 people hospitalized and 350 deaths per day simply due to the stupidly high number of people being infected. And Omicron is still more severe than that severe variant of influenza.
Fortunately, there are large portions of the population that are fully vaccinated in the US, despite all the political polarization making vaccination an almost entirely partisan issue, and a lot of people who weren't vaccinated (both before and after the vaccine existed) also got exposed to covid (and while a number of them died, we care about the ones that live in this exercise.) Vaccinated and natural immunity being roughly equal, we can assume these populations have an 88% reduced severity rate, and thus if those 3.5 million people being infected were all in that group, we're talking 4,200 hospitalizations and 42 deaths each day. Which is way less scary.
So in other words... yeah. You're right. And that's why vaccines are important.
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But we've managed to eradicate diseases using vaccines. If the the vaccine wasn't supposed to prevent transmission, then we could never reduce the susceptible population below the critical community level, and no disease could ever be eradicated?
The only disease that was ever eradicated from the human system via vaccination was small pox. Polio, mumps, measles, rubella, tetanus, 75 variants of influenza, etc, all still exist. In fact, it's almost impossible to completely eliminate respiratory diseases in general simply due to the nature of how they build up and spread.
Small pox was special in that almost every human on earth was given the vaccine, it has a low, loooooooooooooow mutation rate and most of its transmission occurred during the symptoms phase of the virus. Poxes in general (like chicken pox, cow pox, etc) create the skin pustules and lesions that are associated with them as their primary transmission source; contact with the fluids, parasite transference and other direct interactions with a presenting patient carried viral loads that could actually cause further infections. So with near-total vaccination, which allows the body to prevent the build up of those lesions and pustules, small pox had no real way to transmit beyond parasites carrying it (which only lasts for a short time without a viable human host, and was in no way certain to occur even if an unvaccinated/ unexposed human was present,) and the human variant of it basically died out.
Small pox still exists in monkeys and other primates, though. But those variants don't seem to be able to jump species, currently, and small pox again has a very low mutation rate so the likelyhood of a breakthrough version jumping back to humanity within our generation isn't particularly high.
Most of the other viruses that we have vaccinations for aren't so... perfectly designed to be eradicated. Polio just never fully dies, mumps, measles, influenza and covid all build up viral load and are able to replicate and transmit before the body has time to respond (and their symptoms are the methods the body uses to fight the diseases, rather than the near-exclusive primary transmission methods,) some of them mutate stupidly fast or the body just doesn't effectively store the information on how to make antibodies for them long-term, etc. Heck, influenza vaccines (flu shots) are just cocktail shotgun blasts of what the CDC and production companies think are going to be the 5-7 most common variants of the flu in a given population in the next 2 years, which is why they tend to be protective but not even 80% effective (since there's almost always a variant that wasn't in the shot.)
So, long answer short, there are only a handful of viruses that we can eliminate fully via vaccination, and it comes down almost entirely to the virus's transmission methods and buildup rates. Small pox is the only one we've managed to do it with, the other viruses we have vaccines for are just kept under control.
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JollyJoker
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posted February 01, 2022 08:40 AM |
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Give this dude a cook... err, QP, please. 
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antipaladin
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posted February 01, 2022 04:15 PM |
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fred79 said:
you cannot compare these shots to actual vaccines. the actual vaccines were tested for years before they were released, weren't still in the TRIAL PHASE when they were released for human use, weren't FORCED upon people by the obviously corrupt; this list goes on.
thinking you could actually compare these shots and how they were politicized and propagandized, to actual vaccines that actually PREVENTED snow, is insane. there is NO comparison between these shots, and actual vaccines. PERIOD. no amount of manufactured fantasy regurgitated from bs msm narratives, from ANY of your kind, is going to CHANGE that.
you clearly don't know how medical vaccinations work, being studied and come to be.
nowadays sure we know all the hazards, but back in the day they ware given left and right.
120 years ago, heroine was the medicine for EVERYTHING!
what are you even talking about, is snowing mumbo-jumbo for the conspiracy theory's.
also what is "my kind, your kind?" what is MSM? what are you on?
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posted February 01, 2022 04:45 PM |
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@antipaladin
LESS UNDERSTAND CAUSED BY RED STARS
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For me we should have Blue Stars on Heroes Board, and Red Stars on talking board. If penalized Blue Star, then no allow post in Heroes Board. fred is a good on Heroes Board, but his sluice cock aka crybaby in talking board. How we save him? Blue Star.
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Ghost
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posted February 01, 2022 04:53 PM |
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Remember we have a HIV vaccine in mRNA techinque, Moderna says.
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JollyJoker
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posted February 01, 2022 05:01 PM |
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antipaladin said:
JJ: Gnomes should receive a penalty for the political crap he wrote.
What "political crap"? I don't see anything "political" not to mention "crap".
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antipaladin
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posted February 01, 2022 05:23 PM |
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he wrote it in page 4, and I replayed to it in a quote in page 5.
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