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artu
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posted June 25, 2022 11:02 AM |
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Edited by artu at 11:04, 25 Jun 2022.
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@ Gandalf
If I had communicated through idiotic memes, maybe you could have comprehended that’s not what’s being said. To state that consciesness and sentience are possible only with a brain and developed neural network does not mean the whole equals sum of parts. It only means without some parts what makes you essentially human is not existent yet. The “materialistic world view” happens to be biology in this instance and you have every right to believe that we have spirits beyond our biological existence. Join the Ghostbusters if you want to. You just dont have the right to intervene other people’s right to abort a fetus because of such unfounded beliefs.
Oh, and articles are not memes, you should actually read more than a paragraph. “The man with almost no brain” is a figure of speech there, (probably designed as clickbait):
In hydrocephalus the cerebrospinal fluid, which circulates through brain channels called ventricles builds up pressure that balloons up the ventricles pressing the overlying brain tissue against the cranium. This insult from within causes a loss of brain matter and many hydrocephalics suffer intellectual and physical impairment. But, a significant fraction of patients escape impairment despite grossly abnormal brain structures.
@Nimostar
Fair enough, if you take the broader meaning of the word, it also means that. But if the context is people, what’s indicated is voluntary euthanasia. For instance when someone says “Kevorkian was an advacote of euthanasia” nobody thinks of vets putting dogs to sleep.
And no matter how mentally ill a patient is, their relatives can not decide to euthanize them unless they are terminally ill and have no possibility of recovery.
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CountBezuhoff
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posted June 25, 2022 01:00 PM |
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Desperate women aren't going to be stopped by some abortion ban and that, I fear, will lead to many losing their lives to dodgy surgeries and immitation medicine. And also, very sadly, a great increase in the number of abandoned children is certain to follow.
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Gandalf196
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posted June 25, 2022 04:03 PM |
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Yet again, artu, you understand nothing but memes - a human being during his process of development is not a human to you, because it lacks something that will be present later on, as long as we do not artificially interrupt this process.
You use your poor understanding of the scientific literature that you remember from your high school days to garnish your equally poorly constructed arguments, a mere facade to your political agenda. Everyone has the right to fight abortion, for it is murder, period.
About the guy "with almost no brain", that is one hell of a fascinating story - by all accounts, that human being should be severely challenged, but, lo and behold, the man was a genius - evidences like this should remind us all that we know almost nothing about how organic structures come to determine who we are or how consciousness relates to inanimate matter at all.
Now, a meme for your treat
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artu
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posted June 25, 2022 04:40 PM |
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Edited by artu at 16:41, 25 Jun 2022.
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Well, fortunately, the civilized world disagrees with you and abortion doesnt get penalized as murder in any place remotely sane and developed. Your actions are not qualified by what something would have been in the future, they are qualified by what it is now.
And the high school thing, that’s rich coming from a troll who thinks the world is run by cultists using black magic.  Not that I used high school science or anything like that in any of my arguments above, but even if I had, it would have been more than enough to refute your crap.
Oh, btw, matter is not inanimate and that article has nothing to do with abiogenesis.
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Gandalf196
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posted June 25, 2022 05:22 PM |
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artu said:
Well, fortunately, the civilized world disagrees with you and abortion doesnt get penalized as murder in any place remotely sane and developed. Your actions are not qualified by what something would have been in the future, they are qualified by what it is now.
And the high school thing, that’s rich coming from a troll who thinks the world is run by cultists using black magic. Not that I used high school science or anything like that in any of my arguments above, but even if I had, it would have been more than enough to refute your crap.
Oh, btw, matter is not inanimate and that article has nothing to do with abiogenesis.
1) I can name lots of "civilized countries" where abortion is punished. Anyway, saying that a country is not civilized, because it punishes abortion is a prime example of the "no true Scotsman fallacy".
2) Man, about "inanimate matter". Either you argue that atoms are sentient (panpsychism) and thus conscious beings are nothing more than counsciousness at a higher degree of organization or you are face the "hard problem" of elements deprived of any form of counsciousness given rise to beings fully counscious.
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artu
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posted June 25, 2022 05:54 PM |
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Edited by artu at 17:57, 25 Jun 2022.
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1- I already linked abortion laws worldwide. Some countries have different regulations about untill when you can have it but no civilized country penalizes abortion as mudrer or even manslaughter. I dont think you actually know what murder means in terms of the law. And put aside the law, nobody with common sense, even if they are conservative, treats women who had abortions as they would treat an actual murderer. That is because even if in theory they claim it is murder because of religious indoctrination, deep down they know it isnt the same thing and they dont have the same intuitions they would have against a real killer.
2- Being alive isnt necessarily being sentient (especially not on conscient level.) Unicellular organisms are alive but not sentient. Like anything evolutionary, things like sentience and conscience develop gradually. In this regard, mammals are more sentient and conscient than reptiles, reptiles more than insects, insects more than bacteria etc. etc. Viruses are not considered actual living organisms by some biologists for example. The field that studies how non-living matter transformed into the first, very primitive forms of life (they didnt even have DNA in the beginning) is called abiogenesis. Neither the sentience of the fetuses nor the article you linked has nothing to do with abiogenesis. Early stage fetuses are not sentient, certainly not before week 17. There is no debate over this. By saying “but they will be if you dont artificially intervene,” you can also ban contraception. And in fact that’s what the Church did for centuries. Even today, the Catholic Church is against any kind of birth control, even condoms. How about taking a morning after pill, is that also murder? Will you sink low enough to claim that someone who swallos a pill after having sex is the same as Ted Bundy?
You and the judge are the ones being political about your (religious) agenda, not the other way around. Legal abortion is not a political agenda, it is the norm in almost every developed country. Are there exceptions like Poland, sure, but guess what, Poland is extremely Catholic. What a coincidence!
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Kayna
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posted June 28, 2022 07:59 PM |
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This will create an exodus in America. Many women will move from red to blue states. The liberal states will be drowning in women while the red states will dry up. It wouldn't surprise me if the ratio of men to women becomes something around 2 to 1 in red states in the next 10 years while blue states will end up with 2 women per men.
That's going to screw up the offer and demand a lot. Conservative women will realize the insane power of negotiation they have and stop doing anything. Even being jobless, fat, stupid, Karen-like, poor and such won't stop them from finding a hot, strong, courageous, intelligent and kind hearted man. Most of them will become fat, stupid, poor Karens within the next generation while it's going to be really tough to be a conservative guy in the next future. Not only will you have to fight other guys every week or so for a low quality woman, but when they allow abortions for cases of rape only, you can expect the amount of false rape accusations to skyrocket. The average conservative man might be falsely accused of rape 1-3 times in their lifetime.
In the liberal states, the reverse will happen. Men won't really have to do anything much to get a girlfriend, although they won't necessarily turn fat right away as it takes more time for the man body to do so. The liberal women though, they're gonna have to work hard. They're gonna have to make money, look nice all the time, keep working out, have an actually interesting personality instead of just not being a karen, but they won't get a strong, courageous, kindhearted and beautiful husband like they should get in return, all they'll get is a dick instead of a dildo and a right to an abortion.
The offer and demand of the dating scene is gonna be really screwed for the next generation.
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purerogue
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posted June 28, 2022 09:22 PM |
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I dunno, maybe women will remember how to woman again.
No need to panic on this one, the horse has long left the barn.
Young men and little girls will grow up in a different world.
And I lasted through it.
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Salamandre
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posted June 28, 2022 09:48 PM |
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I grew in a place where abortion was out of question, absolute impossible. We didn't have sex before 18 yo, and then we had to pay much attention. We didn't spend nights to drink alcohol, smoke weed and yell obscenities, but instead wrote poems for our chosen or learn some Chopin, to deliver next day. When we hold hands, the hearts went crazy then when eyes met, the stomach felt like turning into a effervescent ball, this is how much emotion was. Day by day and yet no sexual relation did happen, while we learned to know and praise every little detail of the desired body.
Stop being materialistic degenerates, nothing is written in stone and love will find its way, as always.
Or vote democrat then lose yourself. 
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NimoStar
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posted June 28, 2022 09:54 PM |
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Edited by NimoStar at 21:54, 28 Jun 2022.
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An incel mind at work is truly something to behold. (to "kayna")
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yogi
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posted June 28, 2022 10:41 PM |
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Salamandre said:
I grew in a place where abortion was out of question, absolute impossible. We didn't have sex before 18 yo, and then we had to pay much attention. We didn't spend nights to drink alcohol, smoke weed and yell obscenities, but instead wrote poems for our chosen or learn some Chopin, to deliver next day. When we hold hands, the hearts went crazy then when eyes met, the stomach felt like turning into a effervescent ball, this is how much emotion was. Day by day and yet no sexual relation did happen, while we learned to know and praise every little detail of the desired body.
ball > park Sal!
the beautiful humanity!
does this place still exist? can i move there?
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JollyJoker
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posted June 28, 2022 10:59 PM |
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Kayna
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posted June 28, 2022 11:07 PM |
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NimoStar said:
An incel mind at work is truly something to behold. (to "kayna")
Just be ready to press record on that phone at any moment, bro!
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artu
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posted June 28, 2022 11:47 PM |
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Salamandre said:
I grew in a place where abortion was out of question, absolute impossible. We didn't have sex before 18 yo, and then we had to pay much attention. We didn't spend nights to drink alcohol, smoke weed and yell obscenities, but instead wrote poems for our chosen or learn some Chopin, to deliver next day. When we hold hands, the hearts went crazy then when eyes met, the stomach felt like turning into a effervescent ball, this is how much emotion was. Day by day and yet no sexual relation did happen, while we learned to know and praise every little detail of the desired body.
Stop being materialistic degenerates, nothing is written in stone and love will find its way, as always.
Funny how some average Muslim from Afghanistan would interpret the details of your little story just the same: Materialistic degeneration. Holding hands, praising every little detail of the desired body, Western music and dance, poetry about passion stimulating forbidden desires! Is nothing sacred anymore!
Btw, it’s not love that will find its way, but women who want to abort, to states that allow it. Unlike young Sal, they werent born into such restrictions and they will naturally react to it, not see it as an opportunity to live some Victorian Age romance. And you do realize it is not casual sex that is outlawed, right? “Materialistic degenerates” can still do whatever they want using condoms, they wont go rushing to learn how to play Chopin on the piano.
But you are a true ladies man Sal, you reach out to their delicate hearts with your subtle courtship. That’s what abortion ban is all about. We can see love is already in the air.
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Salamandre
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posted June 29, 2022 12:58 AM |
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The thing is, if one day I will have kids, they will be born in a society where man and woman, marriage, gender definitions have been washed, where young snots without any economic knowledge keep yelling and sermonizing grown adults about how we need to get rid of all industries, where 12 yo already drink alcohol and smoke weed at evening party, to such extension that later at 18 when they have to pass a french exam to get a diploma they are unable to read basic text and concepts so all they are able to resort to is threatening the author.
Is not because they are born in such "natural" and progressive environment that they have to adapt or follow it. Sometimes you have to step back then find compromises between individual freedom, proper education, morale, decency and your place and role into one society, instead of creating entitled idiots who care about nothing but themselves.
Btw, I'm not fanatical, sarcasm is sometimes required to show there is a real society crisis ongoing. The abortion controversy is only one face of same sick mindset.
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Why link Ana Kasparian video to me, she yells again religious people - like "she doesn't care about their book", but I am not religious.
I don't care neither about what Ana Kasparian has to say. She has my entire benediction to keep aborting, less of her DNA around is a good thing. See, I am flexible on the matter.
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artu
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posted June 29, 2022 01:55 AM |
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Edited by artu at 01:57, 29 Jun 2022.
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I dont know anything about her other than this video in which she’s perfectly right and straight to the point. You may not be religious but abortion restrictions very much are. They are not about Platonic love, poetry and Chopin or students comprehending school texts despite your whataboutism, you can be sure about that.
Speaking of, years ago, during some debate about immigration, I remember you talking about how you accepted the fact that you were moving to a more advanced and sophisticated society while moving from Romania to France, how it was better at this and that… And now we listen to you about how France is this decadent, rotten joke of a country, and your days of youth in Romania where people cant “fornicate” because of religious customs is actually some romantic paradise… And we also know, you had relationships without having to marry, I dont know if any of your girlfriends ever had an abortion but if a condom had failed they probably would have. But now, suddenly, the abortion controversy (which is relatively specific to the U.S. btw) is about how the society you live in is on the edge of collapse etc etc. Couldnt it be that you are at an age where you want to settle down, so you are the one growing more conservative and not the whole Western society going down some overprogressive drain? Because such worries are nothing new, they existed since the beginning of modern times and industralization, oh, what has the society come to and so on… Abortion is not a legal thing only in France, it’s legal in Japan, Russia, Canada, are they all part of this “sick mindset” that you talk of?
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Salamandre
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posted June 29, 2022 03:10 AM |
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You misunderstand me. I am NOT against abortion, I am against its celebration as a progress then period, not a word is being added. I don't claim neither that legal abortion is a regression, I am criticizing the mindset where complex and sometimes definitive actions are presented by progressives like you as essentially being binary, there can be only one solution. Where if you are against or question the sense of it, then you are some fanatic incapable of critical thinking and compassion, some relic of the patriarchy, a "conservative". And where there are raised stupid comparisons with Muslims from Afghanistan, like I was having same attitude to women's freedom as theirs because I question large scale abortion. Complaining then about whataboutism.
In the world I would prefer to live in, women asking for abortion should be told what they will be doing, which is ending a life. Once they are warned and it is explained to them what this surgery will physically do to their offspring, if their choice remains abortion, then is an enlightened choice, instead of letting them believe a standard procedure for removing some garbage like appendices will undergo.
What I complain about is global lack of accountability, trivialization of harsh procedures which normally should cause individual interrogation and psychological pain. With over 1 million abortions being performed every year in US, it means concerned people learn nothing from, then keep returning again and again.
lastly, the question never answered : why should be subsidized? 250000 abortions are payed by taxpayers every year. Pregnancy is not an illness.
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posted June 29, 2022 05:46 AM |
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Isn't it cheaper to subsidize abortion? Am I missing something obvious?
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JollyJoker
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posted June 29, 2022 08:30 AM |
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Salamandre said:
In the world I would prefer to live in, women asking for abortion should be told what they will be doing, which is ending a life. Once they are warned and it is explained to them what this surgery will physically do to their offspring, if their choice remains abortion, then is an enlightened choice, instead of letting them believe a standard procedure for removing some garbage like appendices will undergo.
What I complain about is global lack of accountability, trivialization of harsh procedures which normally should cause individual interrogation and psychological pain. With over 1 million abortions being performed every year in US, it means concerned people learn nothing from, then keep returning again and again.
That's what I told you a long time ago. It's an EDUCATION problem. Shutting the barn door after the horse has bolted is too late. The facts of sex, abortion and all that should be covered in school, in sex education, and since obviously everyone should be educated it has to taught in an age where everyone still goes to school.
Not surprisingly, the states that ban abortion now will also ban sex education, because, hey, everything you need to know is covered in the Bible.
Welcome to Handmaid's Tale, indeed.
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artu
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posted June 29, 2022 11:47 AM |
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@Sal
1- There’s nothing binary about how I see the psychological aspect of abortion, I already told you that in detail. But the context is how some American states will be restraining it now and that is a binary situation indeed, it is legal or not. (Skipping aside details like till when in pregnancy, to outlaw it this way is not about such details.) You say the things you say under such context, and what exactly do you say, let’s see:
2- The Afghanistan comparison was exclusively about how you take some regular (and quite irrelevant) pleasures like drinking, smoking weed, having casual sex and then label them as “materialistic degeneration.” That is exactly what a typical Islamist would also say, I know because we have plenty of them around here. Except they would step it up a notch and label your alternatives, affection themed poetry and Chopin “materialistic degeneration” too.
Btw, I had poetry published, I enjoy Chopin very much, my mother played (from her phone) Chopin’s Andante Spianato during my father’s funeral, that’s how much Chopin means to me. I also happen to drink, smoke weed, have unmarital sex occasionaly. What’s one got to do with the other? And materialism is simply not believing in super-natural powers, it’s about what kind of cosmology you find rational and real, not about ethics. You may not be a fanatic bigot and I never thought you were but if you speak “their language” and under such context, you will be replied to accordingly. So if your intention is the critique of “large scale abortion,” these are not the words to do it. That is not whataboutism coming from me.
3- I have no problem with abortions not being subsidized by welfare except in cases such as rape or economically helpless mother having a life-threatening pregnancy etc. etc.
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