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Thread: We Can Trust Most People
artu
artu


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posted January 28, 2023 08:30 PM
Edited by artu at 20:31, 28 Jan 2023.

Poll Question:
We Can Trust Most People

Here is the amount of people who agree with the statement "we can trust most people."
What's your take?


Responses:
Yes, we can.
Of course, we can't.
You assistance is requested as a non-Nigerian citizen...
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Drakon-Deus
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posted January 28, 2023 08:46 PM

Personally I seek peace with all people,,, fellowship with many, but trust with few.

I approve of the percentage for my country.

You can't trust most.
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artu
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posted January 28, 2023 09:18 PM
Edited by artu at 18:58, 29 Jan 2023.

OhforfSake said:
Only true for countries with more than 50% agreement.

Well, there is truth in this. If the society is more trusting, people also become more trustworthy in general, like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Deception is a bigger disgrace if it's seen less. Of course, it also has a lot to do with level of wealth, most people dont need to lie if they have a high standard of living. It also has a lot to do with social structure, in small towns where most people know each other, it's easier to trust, where as big cities are the jungle.
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JollyJoker
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posted January 28, 2023 11:05 PM

Isn't the real question what "trust" actually involves?

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artu
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posted January 28, 2023 11:11 PM

Well, given the context, I figure it's not trusting them with your life in an extreme dog-eat-dog situation or something like that but trusting that they'll keep their promises, they usually dont lie when they claim stuff under regular circumstances.
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posted January 29, 2023 02:15 AM
Edited by NimoStar at 02:18, 29 Jan 2023.

What is the country below Turkey there? Cyprus?

Strange that in such island they are so untrusting. Would it be the division?

Also, I interpret the opposite form Artu from the question: i think most people would be more trustworthy in life-or-death than in day-to day, where they believe in so-called "white lies" for their own benefit.
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artu
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posted January 29, 2023 03:27 AM
Edited by artu at 03:43, 29 Jan 2023.

Yes, it's Cyprus and the 2.8 country is Albania.

White lies arent about trust, they are about being polite, "no, you dont look fat."

What I meant was, everybody has their limits and in extreme situations anybody may crack. Even the most honest man can be tempted to steal if he knows he can get away with taking out 500 billion dollars for instance, even a most trusted friend can sell you out in a situation of letting you die in order to save his own life. Even a loyal husband will be tempted if a super model flirts with him.

I dont think when confronted with a pool researcher asking the question "can people be trusted" people would think of such extreme situations, they would give their opinion based on typical every day relationships.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted January 29, 2023 07:12 AM

artu said:


I dont think when confronted with a pool researcher asking the question "can people be trusted" people would think of such extreme situations, they would give their opinion based on typical every day relationships.


Exactly.
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JollyJoker
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posted January 29, 2023 08:31 AM

I ask, because I think this may be language-dependent. "Trust" is not a simple verb, not in English. We have a lot of relevant meanings here.

So we may answer, dependent on how we understand this. *I* would answer, when it comes down to it you can trust NO ONE, but thankfully we don't need to, since the question is irrelevant as long as you don't have to rely on anybody - it doesn't really come down to it often in your life.

As a simple everyday example, you go on a holiday and you need the plants to be watered and the cat to be fed. Can we "trust most people" with a key and that job? (Can we rely on them to do the job properly for one thing and not steal anything or make a copy of the key for another?)
The answer is, we can trust most people we are friends with (otherwise we wouldn't be), but we are happy we don't have to ask some stranger to do it.

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Drakon-Deus
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posted January 29, 2023 08:58 AM

In my language trust is interchangeable with faith.


And I agree JJ.
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Elvin
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posted January 29, 2023 12:34 PM

OhforfSake said:
Only true for countries with more than 50% agreement.

Lol.

Giving trust away to just about anyone would diminish its value. And get you scammed xD You have to know who you're giving it to. And while I would trust a friend to not harm me, that doesn't mean all my friends are responsible enough to not let my plants die
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posted January 29, 2023 07:04 PM

Quote:
White lies arent about trust, they are about being polite, "no, you dont look fat."


That is about trust. If people lie you about being fat they can lie to you about embezzling your funds.

And I would immediately think about "extreme situations": why? Because that is the moment when trusts matters.
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artu
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posted January 29, 2023 07:37 PM

That's flawed logic. They are different type of lies, hence one is called a white lie, because it's harmless and meant well. You cant deduct that if somebody lies about such things, they can also lie about embezzlement. You also cant deduct they wont, of course, it is just irrelevant.

Most people will lie if a five year old asks them where did his dead mother go to, even if they dont believe in heaven. Bu we dont perceive such things as an evil act that destroys credibility, we perceive them as compassion or kindness.

Trust may matter more in life or death situations but if such a detail isnt emphasized, a pool question about trusting people in general wont be directly associated with such situations:

- Hello sir, I'm with the Pew Research Center, can I ask a few questions?
- All right.
- Can people be trusted?
- They would certainly eat me if our plane crashed on a rocky island and we were to starve to death.

That's not how it would go.
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posted January 29, 2023 08:31 PM

artu said:
- Hello sir, I'm with the Pew Research Center, can I ask a few questions?
- All right.
- Can people be trusted?
- They would certainly eat me if our plane crashed on a rocky island and we were to starve to death.


Lol.

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posted January 30, 2023 07:48 AM

Quote:
That's not how it would go.


Actually, that's exactly how it went, so your argument is invalid
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posted January 30, 2023 07:50 AM

Quote:
That's not how it would go.


Actually, that's exactly how it went, so your argument is invalid

(They only ate people who had already died so that still reinforces my point that you can trust them more in extreme situations than in regular day to day situations, where everyone is a snow because "there is nothing at stake", except there is)
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artu
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posted January 30, 2023 08:45 AM
Edited by artu at 08:45, 30 Jan 2023.

Nimo, look at the context, look at what I had written before, when I say "that's not how it would go," I am talking about the pool which I even put in as a dialogue. That's not what people would have in mind while answering the pool.

I know about this plane crash of course, I loved the movie. It even inspired my example a little.
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Ghost
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posted January 30, 2023 08:57 AM

PickleRick said:
artu said:
- Hello sir, I'm with the Pew Research Center, can I ask a few questions?
- All right.
- Can people be trusted?
- They would certainly eat me if our plane crashed on a rocky island and we were to starve to death.


Lol.


artu is right! An example my guy thinks so.. His worry is available food enough..

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Elvin
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posted January 30, 2023 11:02 AM

artu said:
- Hello sir, I'm with the Pew Research Center, can I ask a few questions?
- All right.
- Can people be trusted?
- They would certainly eat me if our plane crashed on a rocky island and we were to starve to death.

What do you mean? You can absolutely trust people to do that ^^
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