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posted March 31, 2023 01:47 PM |
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Statement by Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the United States of America
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posted March 31, 2023 03:21 PM |
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And 47th, God willing.
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JollyJoker
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posted March 31, 2023 08:05 PM |
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It was vlear in 2016 that Trump is a criminal and it is clear now. I have no clue why so many people are so keen on having an egomaniacal criminal for president.
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posted March 31, 2023 08:11 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
It was vlear in 2016 that Trump is a criminal and it is clear now. I have no clue why so many people are so keen on having an egomaniacal criminal for president.
Because he is better than the demented man in office now. No offence, I actually feel pity for Biden.
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posted March 31, 2023 10:04 PM |
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He isn't. It's a PUBLIC office, that is, it's no ego-job. Trump is horribly unsuited for this kind of office. Because everything is about HIM.
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posted April 02, 2023 03:00 AM |
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I don't know his politics. I just know to a lot of people like the KKK they vote for him.
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posted April 02, 2023 06:27 AM |
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This kind of reasoning is naive. Just because the KKK agrees on his reducing immigration policy doesn't make him a KKK zealot nor a supporter.
In Europe all the scum embracing Islamic terrorism is voting left candidates because they are the only ones creating optimal conditions for Islamism blossom. Like illegal immigration acceptance, no borders ideology, increased tolerance for pushing religious beliefs at the working place, defiance towards police ans so.
And who you think gangs and drugs cartels in US prefer in office, a right winger calling for individual responsibility and order enforcement, or a left winger who would have never been elected if wasn't ethnic minorities support, so there has to be a time for payback, which is law representatives cancellation. Cui bono.
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posted April 02, 2023 06:33 AM |
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JollyJoker said:
He isn't. It's a PUBLIC office, that is, it's no ego-job. Trump is horribly unsuited for this kind of office. Because everything is about HIM.
So Trump has an ego. Big deal. I'd still vote for him over a Democrat.
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posted April 02, 2023 06:38 AM |
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Trump's major flaw is that he started with a popular vote deficit then he never made any effort to address it. And what was expected, mathematically, to happen, happened.
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posted April 02, 2023 09:23 AM |
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Salamandre said:
This kind of reasoning is naive. Just because the KKK agrees on his reducing immigration policy doesn't make him a KKK zealot nor a supporter.
In Europe all the scum embracing Islamic terrorism is voting left candidates because they are the only ones creating optimal conditions for Islamism blossom.
That is a ridiculous claim. Can you back it by sources?
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And who you think gangs and drugs cartels in US prefer in office, a right winger calling for individual responsibility and order enforcement, or a left winger who would have never been elected if wasn't ethnic minorities support, so there has to be a time for payback, which is law representatives cancellation. Cui bono.
That is a ridiculous claim as well. Big money, whether legal or illegal (and it's the same thing because the illegal ones invest their money in legal businesses while the legal ones have enough dirt on their hands as well) have their own candidates, supporting or threatening them.
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posted April 02, 2023 10:21 AM |
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Do you really need me to give a source for something such obvious? I can find, if necessary, same analysis for every country in the EU.
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posted April 02, 2023 11:47 AM |
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Edited by artu at 20:13, 02 Apr 2023.
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JollyJoker said:
It was vlear in 2016 that Trump is a criminal and it is clear now. I have no clue why so many people are so keen on having an egomaniacal criminal for president.
From what I see, according to some Americans, the U.S. political machine is corrupted and devolved into a self-serving status quo. Call it "the establishment" if you will. There is no real difference between the Democrats and the Republicans, it is all a sham and the institutions are nothing but a facade, they are display windows filled with mannequins, puppets. (This is usually all caricaturized, exxagerated and filled with conspirical non-sense but there is a half-truth in there somewhere, we do live in a period where "democracy has lost its soul" and is reduced into some age-old tactics to appeal to people by populist fluff, while a bureaucrat elite in bed with with transnational finance determine the actual long-term politics. To some extent, world was always about "panem et circenses" but with the internet, post-truth, the scale of money involved, it is kind of a perfect storm.)
Anyway, although a billionare and a spoon-fed elite himself, since both Democrat and Republican politicians consider him an outsider, to his base, Donald Trump is still the best bet. Because in their heads, this whole thing is like a zombie movie, it doesnt matter if you are a jerk or whether you have a functioning political agenda of your own or not. All it matters is if you are bitten or not.
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posted April 02, 2023 01:53 PM |
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Salamandre said:
Do you really need me to give a source for something such obvious? I can find, if necessary, same analysis for every country in the EU.
That is a source for the obvious - that muslimic citizens whose religion is under attack in general vote those candidates that promise to not attack them because of that.
However, you wrote:
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In Europe all the scum embracing Islamic terrorism is voting left candidates
Obviously, "the scum embracing Islamic terrorism" and "muslimic citizens" are not the same thing.
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posted April 02, 2023 02:48 PM |
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@JJ
You are just full of bad faith and can't accept the obvious, the political Islam has an agenda in Europe and even worldwide. Islamism is NOT moderate muslims.
"Europe 1 has obtained, its observations on "Islamist influences within the framework of the democratic process".
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"This is evidenced by the anonymous, unsigned press release, broadcast on social networks the day before the first round of the presidential election, relayed by Brotherhood preachers Vincent Souleymane and Hani Ramadan, one of Tarik Ramadan's brothers, both grandsons of Hassan el-Banna, founder of the Muslim Brotherhood."
This is not "muslimic citizens", this is Muslim Brotherhood, an Islamist organization labeled as terrorist organization by the governments of Bahrain, Egypt, Russia, Syria, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. And they called to vote for the left candidate, bear with it, that was my point.
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posted April 02, 2023 07:43 PM |
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"The political islam", hmm. In which way is "the political islam different from the political Jewish and Christian organisations?
And seriously, being branded a terrorist organisation by
Bahrain, Egypt (after a military coup overthrowing the elected president, btw.), Russia, Syria, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates
is kind of a recommendation in my book.
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posted April 02, 2023 08:06 PM |
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Islam is a state religion by origin, that is the main difference. It has its own criminal law, inheritence law, domestic law. You can say Judaism is also like that but unlike Islam, it is not missionary and expansionist. And most of its people are already secularized culturally.
The situation in Egypt with the Muslim Brotherhood is that you have an Islamist party, as stritct as banning music and then you then have the military, which is by no way democratic but it is modernist and relatively secular. It would be hard for a European to understand, but it can be seen as the lesser of two evils when the others are almost ISIS level radical in organizing daily life. (It is similar to 20th century Turkey except we were constitutionally laicist (seperation of state and religion) and majority of our Islamists were never that radical. I dont know what the Islamists in France demand but if you live in a muslim majority country, what the Islamists demand can in no way be compared to conservative Christians or Jews. Think Iran or Afghanistan, you’ll get the picture.
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posted April 02, 2023 08:08 PM |
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@ artu
Yeah, sure - it's completely irrational, I get that. The question is why so many people jump on that irrational train.
EDIT: That was an answer to your precious post.
EDIT 2: Christianity and Judaism are state religions as well by origin...
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posted April 02, 2023 08:12 PM |
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Because they lost all their trust in mainstream politics, I guess.
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posted April 02, 2023 08:26 PM |
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"Mainstream politics" is just another word for real life. Politics, especially in the US, is give and take between clashing agendas, and it's irrational to believe that the powers that are (and ruling for lifetime as opposed to a limited time) let things just develop and not use their money and influence and power to get a say in things. Shouldn't be a reason for a journey to la-la-land.
Anyway, I think it might be the backwash of the Obama reign. When Obama was elected a lot of people hoped that would bring a drastic change for "the better" - but it didn't, at least not obviously, although the Obama administration tried a lot within the frame of the possible.
So when the great hope Obama didn't smash the Gordic knot, people got disillusioned - if a Black Democrat can't change things, who can?
That's my explanation.
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posted April 02, 2023 08:50 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
Christianity and Judaism are state religions as well by origin...
No, the Church established and cannonized the Bible much later than the times of Jesus and before emperor Constantin it was mostly a religion of minorities, they were even persecuted. And not being a state religion is not just historically accurate but also canonically, “render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's…” Such a distinction is alien to Islam. Muhammed ordered armies, established a state himself and ruled over Mecca in the end. You are a Christian, you go to church on sundays, other daily practices are mostly cultural tradition, they are not law that is prescribed in your holy book. Meanwhile, how much percentage will your daughter get from your inheritance, that is directly described in the Quran. Who will pay what tax, dont ask Caesar, ask Quran.
Judaism has its in-house laws, yes, but as I already hinted at in my previous post, unlike in Islam, it is not designed in a way that the believers are a ruling class, taking additional taxes from conquered non-believers and so on. The laws are not meant to establish a theocracy for believers and non-believers alike. (The Bernard Lewis book, The Crisis of Islam is a very good source to underline these distinctions in great detail, I highly recommend it.)
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